The Maitreya Thread

[mcwillis]

If only I could move fully into HIS reality. Well I think god has the same relationship with EVERY living entity. As in: You (!!!) are the only thing that existes in the universe, to GOD. To GOD apart from you everything else is God loving and serving, (obeying) just you. You are the center of the universe, (to GOD) and everyone else and everything else is him obeying, serving and unconditionally loving you. This, (in my opinion) is what we are comming into. There will be no leader, only a vast revelation. Maitreya has given us something to enable us to move towards this kind of relationship. The Prayer for the New Age, given by Maitreya the Christ, is a great mantram or affirmation with an invocative effect. Using this prayer will enable one to recognize that man and God are one, that there is no separation. The 'I' is the Divine Principle behind all creation. The Self emanates from, and is identical to, the Divine Principle. The most effective way to use this mantram is to say or think the words with focused will, the attention at the ajna chakra between the eyebrows. When the mind grasps the meaning of the concept and, simultaneously, the will is brought to bear, then those concepts will be activated and the mantram will work. If it is said seriously every day, there will grown inside you a realization of your true Self. Prayer for the New Age I am the creator of the universe. I am the father and mother of the universe. Everything comes from me. Everything shall return to me. Mind, spirit and body are my temples, for the self to realize in them My supreme being and becoming.

[RationalMystic]

While I agree that most world religions share common aspects, I disagree that this points to some kind of universal god. I've looked at the commonalities and have concluded that 3 things are responsible: 1. Cultural diffusion is the most obvious. Its no suprise that Judaism, Christianity and Islam share so much common ground considering how they all sprung up in the same area and from each other. Sometimes this takes the form of blatent plagerism such as the account of Genesis being a hackneyed version of the older epic of Gilgamesh 2. The presense of universal archatypes. I don't think I have to elaborate much more on this considering my audience. 3. Large scale enviromental changes. The near universal mention of some sort of catastrophic flood in world religions could be a simplified and distorted account of a very real series of floods that devestated low lying areas, areas which I would like to stress would hold the largest populations. The best canditate for what caused these floods is likely to be the melting of the ice from the last ice age. In case if you think the idea of an oral tradition dating back to the last ice age is far fetched, take a look at this video:

[EbbTide000]

Ok No. Many folk who got a liberation, (like me) went silent. I think that the enlightened went silent because there were no concepts available in their culture and language to accuratley talk about their full-on enlightenment. The bit they tried to say about it was taken-up by folk who had not had the same level of experiece. And as they wrote about it, naturally, they got it all wrong. I am not god. I never was god and I never will be god. That mantrum is powerless. Sorry. Maitreya has given us something to enable us to move towards this kind of relationship. The Prayer for the New Age, given by Maitreya the Christ, is a great mantram or affirmation with an invocative effect. Using this prayer will enable one to recognize that man and God are one, that there is no separation. The 'I' is the Divine Principle behind all creation. The Self emanates from, and is identical to, the Divine Principle. The most effective way to use this mantram is to say or think the words with focused will, the attention at the ajna chakra between the eyebrows. When the mind grasps the meaning of the concept and, simultaneously, the will is brought to bear, then those concepts will be activated and the mantram will work. If it is said seriously every day, there will grown inside you a realization of your true Self. Prayer for the New Age I am the creator of the universe. I am the father and mother of the universe. Everything comes from me. Everything shall return to me. Mind, spirit and body are my temples, for the self to realize in them My supreme being and becoming.

[mcwillis]

Ok No. Many folk who got a liberation, (like me) went silent. I think that the enlightened went silent because there were no concepts available in their culture and language to accuratley talk about their full-on enlightenment. The bit they tried to say about it was taken-up by folk who had not had the same level of experiece. And as they wrote about it, naturally, they got it all wrong. I am not god. I never was god and I never will be god. That mantrum is powerless. Sorry. To understand this better you can use this anaolgy. Imagine the you are a drop of water and that you are floating above an ocean that extends in every direction that is limitless. The ocean is God. Now imagine that you, the drop of water, falls into the ocean. You are still that drop of water but you have merged with the ocean, God. This way it is easy to comprehend that you can be God at the same time as being you. Im sure you understand the idea that you have a soul. The soul is that part of your being that is perfect, timeless and eternal. From a completely accurate esoteric and occult viewpoint the soul is actually impermanent and is a reflection of the Monad, which is your true beingness at its very deepest level. The mantram is powerful but you say that it isn't because you have no practical experience with it. If you were to say it carefully with serious intention twice a day for fifteen minutes at a time then I guarantee that within one year you would have at least one experience that would confirm to you your 'Godhood.'

[EbbTide000]

To understand this better you can use this anaolgy. Imagine the you are a drop of water and that you are floating above an ocean that extends in every direction that is limitless. The ocean is God. Now imagine that you, the drop of water, falls into the ocean. You are still that drop of water but you have merged with the ocean, God. This way it is easy to comprehend that you can be God at the same time as being you. Im sure you understand the idea that you have a soul. The soul is that part of your being that is perfect, timeless and eternal. From a completely accurate esoteric and occult viewpoint the soul is actually impermanent and is a reflection of the Monad, which is your true beingness at its very deepest level. The mantram is powerful but you say that it isn't because you have no practical experience with it. If you were to say it carefully with serious intention twice a day for fifteen minutes at a time then I guarantee that within one year you would have at least one experience that would confirm to you your 'Godhood.' Thank you for your interest in talking to me about this, mcwillis. To understand this better you can use this anaolgy. Imagine the you are a drop of water and that you are floating above an ocean that extends in every direction that is limitless. The ocean is God. Now imagine that you, the drop of water, falls into the ocean. You are still that drop of water but you have merged with the ocean, God. This way it is easy to comprehend that you can be God at the same time as being you. Im sure you understand the idea that you have a soul. The soul is that part of your being that is perfect, timeless and eternal. From a completely accurate esoteric and occult viewpoint the soul is actually impermanent and is a reflection of the Monad, which is your true beingness at its very deepest level. The mantram is powerful but you say that it isn't because you have no practical experience with it. If you were to say it carefully with serious intention twice a day for fifteen minutes at a time then I guarantee that within one year you would have at least one experience that would confirm to you your 'Godhood.' I am thrilled, mcwillis, that you love me enough to take the time to explain this. I feel gratitude. At 13 to 15 Mum and I attended nightly meetings, (and the occasional day meeting and heard these wonderful analogies. Later mum and I gave similar stories and examples to other folk in meetings to try and explain important spiritual concepts. Then at 15 I, spontainiously, had three enlightenments. These contradicted what I had learned, (and taught). These analogies have been used by high-spiritual masters, for eons, to prepare souls for the Truth. And these analogies will probably be used for eons to come, for the same end. I am happy that you take the time to give them to me. Believe me, I was shocked when I was given an audience with ... The voice ... and he said what he said.

[DrunkenArse]

To understand this better you can use this anaolgy. Imagine the you are a drop of water and that you are floating above an ocean that extends in every direction that is limitless. The ocean is God. Now imagine that you, the drop of water, falls into the ocean. You are still that drop of water but you have merged with the ocean, God. This way it is easy to comprehend that you can be God at the same time as being you. This analogy breaks down because once a drop of water is put in the ocean, it's no longer a drop of water. A drop of water has, for instance, surface tension that gives it an inside and an outside. If you're just a junky for warm, fuzzy feelings though, then please don't let me interrupt you.

[Original Poster]

It's a matter of perspective. The "surface tension" is only something we imagine, for we are always part of the world around us. The unified field is always the unified field. We simply believe we are individual drops. But we are already the ocean. The initiated master simply recognizes the truth for what it is.

[DrunkenArse]

It's a matter of perspective. The "surface tension" is only something we imagine, for we are always part of the world around us. I agree it's a matter of perspective. The "surface tension" is only something we imagine just as the "drop of water" is only something we imagine. Without imagining "surface tension" we're not imagining a "drop of water". So if one wants to take a perspective where a drop of water is real (i.e. for this analogy), then so is the surface tension (i.e. it's a shitty analogy).

[Original Poster]

We are about as separate from our surroundings as a drop of water in the ocean. The analogy seems fine to me. It's meant to be paradoxical.

[mcwillis]

This analogy breaks down because once a drop of water is put in the ocean, it's no longer a drop of water. A drop of water has, for instance, surface tension that gives it an inside and an outside. Of course this is true. But I know that you cannot come up with a better explanation to the one I provided. If you're just a junky for warm, fuzzy feelings though, then please don't let me interrupt you. If the opening post comes true and your beliefs are shattered I won't be smug and belittle you on this forum as I'm not as immature as you. It is so true that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

[mcwillis]

Thank you for your interest in talking to me about this, mcwillis. Thank you too for your interest and putting across your views as well. I have been thinking today that I have been veering away from my original intention of making this thread a point of information and instead veering towards myself becoming dogmatic with my beliefs when replying to other people's posts. I don't want to convince anyone of what I say or to come across as attempting to convert people. I expected this thread to be very lonely or to become very messy and argumentative. Im glad I have done a little reflection. I am thrilled, mcwillis, that you love me enough to take the time to explain this. I feel gratitude. You have humbled me today... At 13 to 15 Mum and I attended nightly meetings, (and the occasional day meeting and heard these wonderful analogies. Later mum and I gave similar stories and examples to other folk in meetings to try and explain important spiritual concepts. Then at 15 I, spontainiously, had three enlightenments. These contradicted what I had learned, (and taught). These analogies have been used by high-spiritual masters, for eons, to prepare souls for the Truth. And these analogies will probably be used for eons to come, for the same end. I am happy that you take the time to give them to me. Believe me, I was shocked when I was given an audience with ... The voice ... and he said what he said. I had quite a few amazing experiences as a teenager like yourself. In my early twenties I read a book by the famous American psychic, Edgar Cayce, and I had experiences exactly as he described his experiences. This brought me solace as some of the experiences I had confused me deeply. I was very lonely due to homelessness and had no-one to talk to about my experiences. Life was a battle for survival rather than a time in my life for studying the profound, mysterious side to life. When I did find shelter and work I spent virtually all of my spare time reading books and learning.

[DrunkenArse]

We are about as separate from our surroundings as a drop of water in the ocean. The analogy seems fine to me. It's meant to be paradoxical. It's not meant to be paradoxical, it's meant to convey information. Unless it originated with Deepak Chopra in which case it's meant to confuse and make him money by feeding the warm-fuzzy-feeling junkies. The better analogy (and the one that seems to be standard among people that value clear thought) is with a wave on the ocean. The wave is part of the ocean while still being a wave. A drop of water cannot be part of the ocean while still being a drop of water. See the difference? One analogy works and the other breaks down.

[DrunkenArse]

Sorry. I accidentally accepted McWillis's challenge before I even read her post.

[mcwillis]

The better analogy (and the one that seems to be standard among people that value clear thought) is with a wave on the ocean. The wave is part of the ocean while still being a wave. A drop of water cannot be part of the ocean while still being a drop of water. See the difference? One analogy works and the other breaks down. Unfortunately a wave cannot at any time be separate from the ocean. I chose a drop of water because it can be separate and if it was to merge with the ocean then it can also be at one with the ocean. Neither of our analogies makes perfect sense and I doubt there ever will be one.

[Xaqaria]

Unfortunately a wave cannot at any time be separate from the ocean. I chose a drop of water because it can be separate and if it was to merge with the ocean then it can also be at one with the ocean. Neither of our analogies makes perfect sense and I doubt there ever will be one. Have you ever heard the sound of a wave crashing? That sound was a wave that was seperated from the ocean. The ocean wave left the ocean and traveled through the air as a compression wave to strike your ear drum as a sound wave and then travel through your nervous system to your brain where it became a brain wave.

[mcwillis]

Have you ever heard the sound of a wave crashing? That sound was a wave that was seperated from the ocean. The ocean wave left the ocean and traveled through the air as a compression wave to strike your ear drum as a sound wave and then travel through your nervous system to your brain where it became a brain wave. But how does that help debrajane conceptualise the idea that she can be herself and god at the same time? I just gave her a simple analogy to help her understand this.

[EbbTide000]

But how does that help debrajane conceptualise the idea that she can be herself and god at the same time? I just gave her a simple analogy to help her understand this. Ok When I got that wave after the voice said, "I brought you into being to serve you" the wave indicated that ...ummmm .... "I" am at the center of The Voice's universe. And everyone else and everything else is god loving and serving me. The wave made it crystal clear that every atom of my body is, (from gods perspective) only god loving and serving me. Whatever god percieved as me it wasn't my body.

[Xaqaria]

The wave analogy is much more accurate because the wave can be recognized as its own entity while still actually being comprised of the ocean water. The drop is a piece of ocean, it is an arbitrarily seperated collection of atoms that are only a part of all the atoms that make up the ocean. There is nothing in that analogy that allows the drop to accurately be called the whole ocean. The wave however is both a traveling energy pattern (the individual) and is also the ocean waving. It is both the individual wave and the entire ocean in motion.

[DrunkenArse]

But how does that help debrajane conceptualise the idea that she can be herself and god at the same time? I just gave her a simple analogy to help her understand this. It's not meant to help people support the delusional notion that they're "god" whatever that means. It's meant to help people understand reality.

[DrunkenArse]

Unfortunately a wave cannot at any time be separate from the ocean. I chose a drop of water because it can be separate and if it was to merge with the ocean then it can also be at one with the ocean. Neither of our analogies makes perfect sense and I doubt there ever will be one. Also, while it's true what Xaq is saying about a wave leaving the the water, it's also true that the analogy is so good precisely because you cannot be separate from reality. Just relax. You're not nearly as important as you think you are.

[mcwillis]

Also, while it's true what Xaq is saying about a wave leaving the the water, it's also true that the analogy is so good precisely because you cannot be separate from reality. Just relax. You're not nearly as important as you think you are. I presented a very simple analogy for debrajane to enable her to understand something. A few days ago I was thinking why are a couple of people having this strange deisre to overcomplicate the matter with science and semantics. You are right I was a little tense over the matter a few days ago but am relaxed today. Afterall I am just a fallible human being, which I am very well aware of. I now think that Xaqaria's analogy of a wave is actually a very good analogy if you remove the science and semantics. We all suffer from self-importance and I did have to laugh as your over-indulgence in self-importance is something that is very apparent from a great deal of your posts. Far more than myself on consideration. I have taken your criticism onboard and I hope that you do the same. The lady that originally introduced me to the information in the opening post has similar information displayed in her ground floor window on several A4 posters. Over the years she has had several altercations on her doorstep with people wanting to vent their anger to her about the posters. She has even had a house brick thrown through that window. It made me realise that some people are quick to become angry over religious matters and that some people are just downright nasty. I'm not saying that you are nasty but the tome of your post is argumentative and antagonistic, like most of the people that knock on this womans door. If you have nothing constructive to add in aggreement or criticism to the thread then please post your insults somewhere else on this forum. It's not meant to help people support the delusional notion that they're "god" whatever that means. It's meant to help people understand reality. On the flipside I can say that you are delusional for not being open to the idea that you can be God as well as being you. The analogy I gave helps people to understand this concept as well as understand reality. Your reality afterall is only a belief just as much as mine is.

[DrunkenArse]

I'm not saying that you are nasty but the tome of your post is argumentative and antagonistic, like most of the people that knock on this womans door. If you have nothing constructive to add in aggreement or criticism to the thread then please post your insults somewhere else on this forum. Actually, I did criticize the thread numurous times and I do get argumentative and antagonistic towards stupidity. Way to rewrite history several times over. On the flipside I can say that you are delusional for not being open to the idea that you can be God as well as being you. The analogy I gave helps people to understand this concept as well as understand reality. Your reality afterall is only a belief just as much as mine is. Again, your analogy is broken and your inability to comprehend this basic fact is amply demonstrated already. Peace.

[EbbTide000]

Dipole molecule Single molecule of water. Insignificant. But billions and billions of them make an evironment for, maybe, bacteria to live in. Queezillions-more individual-water-molicules might compose the Pacific Ocean. Single grain of weathered quartz, (rock) also insignificant. But ontold Queezillions of those single grains of sand make up a small beach. Buy some dry bread-baking-yeast and try to separate out one single grain of yeast. It takes billions of grains of yeast to make the yeast visible to the naked eye. Sound of one hand clapping? Like the ego, one hand needs a field to play in and clap with before that hand CAN clap. Alone a hand can't clap. In a field it can slap a face or beat a drum. But alone it does not, (really) exist, (clapping wise). Alone, I to don't exist, (existing wise). The "I" needs this field to clap in or "I" don't exist.

[mcwillis]

Actually, I did criticize the thread numurous times and I do get argumentative and antagonistic towards stupidity. Way to rewrite history several times over. Again, your analogy is broken and your inability to comprehend this basic fact is amply demonstrated already. Peace. Of course it is broken and so is Zaqaria's; they are just analogies. Saying that I am so stupid thus insinuating that you are so clever I am still waiting for you to rise to the challenge and come up with an analogy that would be more fitting to describe this most complex of spiritual ideas. Ah, out comes my argumentative side too. I used to think I wasn't the argumentative type. If you can conjure up an analogy I will applaud you. I hear the Huna priests in your country are very, very wise and could probably bring a fantastic analogy to the table as they are well versed in the concept of man as being gods incarnate. This argument could go on ad infinitum. Peace to you too.

[mcwillis]

Dipole molecule Single molecule of water. Insignificant. But billions and billions of them make an evironment for, maybe, bacteria to live in. Queezillions-more individual-water-molicules might compose the Pacific Ocean. Single grain of weathered quartz, (rock) also insignificant. But ontold Queezillions of those single grains of sand make up a small beach. Buy some dry bread-baking-yeast and try to separate out one single grain of yeast. It takes billions of grains of yeast to make the yeast visible to the naked eye. Sound of one hand clapping? Like the ego, one hand needs a field to play in and clap with before that hand CAN clap. Alone a hand can't clap. In a field it can slap a face or beat a drum. But alone it does not, (really) exist, (clapping wise). Alone, I to don't exist, (existing wise). The "I" needs this field to clap in or "I" don't exist. Im finding it hard to grasp the essence of what you are trying to describe here. I have some ideas but can you elaborate please as it seems important to you.