Quote Originally Posted by carôusoul View Post

now. To try hopefully and get the ball rolling i'm going to start off.

You may know that i am quite skeptical, and do not believe in any kind of spiritualism or god. So i'm going to present as best i can, a case for the existence of god.

And what i'd like is for someone who believes in god, to respond to this and argue against me. From there i hope more people will get involved.


ok.


So, why should we believe in god? Well firstly i'd say that i can't prove god here, but what i can do is present to you the idea that the existence of some kind of god is the best possible explanation we have for the existence of life, and many other factors of the universe.

Life, is a miracle. Really considering the probabilities, it is absurdly unlikely for life to form, seemingly of it's own accord, on a planet in totally unhospitable conditions. This isn't even to mention that scientists still don't really understand fully what exactly causes the spark of life so to speak. So the obvious question we're left with is just why, and how? Howcome the temperature of the earth isn't just a few degrees different, meaning there could have never been life? Why is it that earth is the perfect condition to gestate life, and intelligent life that can flourish like we do? The odds are astronomically stacked against us.

This suggests there has to be something else at work.

Now this alone i'll admit is a far cry from convincing anyone of a god, but that's not all. There is no one single argument or point to show us that god exists, rather if we look at all of the evidence and put it together, it is likely.

The big bang is one of the biggest mysteries we know of. Every event has a cause, so we assume, but for some reason the universe, and life "just happened". There must have been some kind of propelling force, something to set the whole thing off. Now we have no way of knowing what that was, but given that it perfectly all resulted in the fruition of intelligent life on a near perfect planet for us, is at least interesting, and it does suggest a form of design.

Looking at the way things work in the universe, they work like a machine. Like clockwork. Every single thing we can look at in the universe works perfectly for it's purpose and works just like a machine. Think about the solar system. All the planets perfectly circling the sun in such a way that they all sustain each other? Is this the result of some random explosion? Do explosions result in perfectly harmonic systems designed for life? No. They don't.



Taking even a step back to look at the universe we see that it operates under a set of guidelines. the universe has clear rules. these can be called natural laws, gravity, forces, motion. We are living in a machine, where everything is governed by rules. Where do these rules come from? Why when let go of an apple, will it always fall to the ground? Why not one day float upwards and off. Because of gravity, you might say, but why does gravity have to be there? What makes that happen so perfectly? This goes on forever, everything seems to be made to "just work" by some cause behind it.

Nothing can come from nothing. So there must have been at some stage some, thing to push all these laws into effect and sustain them.

Science may study the laws, but really, it is theology that studies the source.



Even in ourselves, dna, the substance that programs who and what we are, down to the detail, is a code. Just like a computer program. Again i've got to ask you, do these things come just from an explosion? Do perfect codes supported by perfect ecosystems supported by perfectly in balance gravitational forces really "just happen"?



Now, nothing i've said proves that the god we all might recognise exists. But what it does show, at least, is that there has to be some kind of source to everything. which is beyond the laws of science, because it is the creator, the source of them.


Science has no answer, to what that source might be.

What is this root of the collective consciousness and balanced universe we live in?

We don't have an answer. But the best answer we do have is something that looks alot like ideas of a "god" throughout the ages.

So, what else can we go by?
finally someone who knows what their takling about!!