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    Thread: Shared Dreaming

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      Question Shared Dreaming

      Will Dream sharing will be ever possible? Does Science Deal with it today?
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      Not sure is there is much information on it. But I guess it could be argued like the existence of ghosts.

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      Some people believe it is possible, some don't. Personally, I'm a believer.
      I don't think it is "scientifically acceptable" because it isn't proven. Much like OBE's. That's why it is on the 'Beyond Dreaming' topic.

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      It is, as TruMotion said, beyond the realms of science. Like OBE's, religion or several other topics. There is simply no current method of empirically testing for its existence. So no, science does not deal with it.
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      well, i heard about a technology that scientist can visually see pattern of dream colors in a dreamer while asleep and computers interprets the colors. Colors represent moods in a dream in a Monitor. If Advance computers can read Dreams Color Patterns, Well Writing something in a Dream will somewhat possible? Just like reading a Disk then Writing something to it. CDRW i meant
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      You mean like in Inception? Insert thoughts/images on other peoples minds/dreams?
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      hmm, well not advance as that, but the Movie Itself i just a Fiction. Im talking about real world things like MRI Scanners, EEG, Noetic Drugs
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      Where did you read this? I would like to know how they interpreted the colours as emotions.
      I know there is some research being done in the field of interpreting brain signals into actual images, but it's far off from being able to visualize a dream.

      As for scientific testing, I think it could currently be done using at least 2 very experienced lucid dreamers who decide on a common phrase or code word within the dream, and upon waking are asked to relay this phrase to a researcher without having talked to the other dream while awake.
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      Quote Originally Posted by mesomorph View Post
      As for scientific testing, I think it could currently be done using at least 2 very experienced lucid dreamers who decide on a common phrase or code word within the dream, and upon waking are asked to relay this phrase to a researcher without having talked to the other dream while awake.
      I'm not sure if it would be as easy as that, because if it was, someone would have already made it.
      And that still doesn't show how/why it happens.

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      Well, Science will always be an unfinished business, If they focus on something else, like we discuss, there would be more and more information about Dreaming and the Lucid Dreamer itself. If Noetic Science advancement like, telekinesis, Remote Viewing and Speechless Communication or a far more advance "Thoughts Sharing" is currently under-Research in INSTITUTE of NOETIC SCIENCE which deals with "Consciousness". Would it be possible if they explorer our "Subconscious Mind"

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      Quote Originally Posted by TruMotion View Post
      I'm not sure if it would be as easy as that, because if it was, someone would have already made it.
      And that still doesn't show how/why it happens.
      Yeah, the fact that it is so simple yet no one has done it almost provides support that shared dreaming isn't possible. But, do you see anything wrong with this experiment that might invalidate it? Unless communication between parties isn't a goal or a part of shared dreaming.

      And, EthicalEye, what the Institute of Noetic Science investigates in relation to thought sharing is usually referred to as "parapsychology", which most scientists consider it a pseudo science because it hasn't shown conclusive evidence to it's claims. If it were possible to show supporting evidence that isn't easily dismissed then it would get more positive attention (and more funding for future studies). Don't get me wrong, it is an interesting field to watch; but until someone can demonstrate and reproduce results to support these claims, the number of sceptics will outweigh the number of believers.

      Here is the lab currently working with visual reconstruction: gallantlab.org
      This is the closest to shared dreaming that I can think of. Once this technology is refined so that the images in the dream can be interpreted (as a house, grass, tree, box, etc...) then it might be possible to render it into a dynamic virtual environment. I'm not sure how you would place this environment into someone's mind though...
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      I have been working on this within the realm of science over the last couple of years.

      Both subjects have to wear a device that can detect REM sleep and connect it to the same computer program via an online database. When they enter REM sleep at the same time, an audio track is played that has been randomly selected or generated using text to speech. The audio track will suggest something along the lines of: "you and your friend are on a small island about to compete in a power-kite competition". The pro version will allow for communication by blinking in Morse Code patterns. Both dreamers would, however, just be hallucinating in separate dream-worlds generated by their brains, but many elements would be shared, albeit slightly differently.

      I have everything in place, from REM detection to Morse Code transcription and the online database, I just need to write the real time networking code and add some dreamers.

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      wow, that's a lot of information, i think science does not deal with it, but We Lucid Dreamer or Just Dreamers make it more possible. Thnx for the info guys, but im not closing the THREAD yet unless im satisfied

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      Just join the IOSDP!

      This is pretty much what we are researching.. We are trying to see how shared dreaming works and trying to achieve shared dreams..
      Although it's not scientifically 'proven' we have enough to suggest it is possible.. I do not think that a scientific explanation for Shared Dreaming will emerge soon.. But I think it will. I want to be part of the people who figure out how it works..
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      One day when human will have usb ports in their heads we will be able to share dreams (seriously), thats probably a few centuries away though.
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      If everyone were sleeping in the same room, and everyone had the same external stimuli, then it wouldn't it make sense that the people in the room could have the same or similar dreams?

      For example, let's say you and your 4 siblings are asleep in one room. An earthquake happens that night at 2:00 AM. You all have similar dreams.

      Another example: The phone rings at 2:00 AM. You all have dreams about the phone ringing.

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      Yes but thats coincedental, in this case dream sharing is where two or more people are actually linked through some means, what you described are similar dreams. You say "everyone had the same external stimuli" but that doesn't matter becuase everyone interprets them differently.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mindraker View Post
      If everyone were sleeping in the same room, and everyone had the same external stimuli, then it wouldn't it make sense that the people in the room could have the same or similar dreams?

      For example, let's say you and your 4 siblings are asleep in one room. An earthquake happens that night at 2:00 AM. You all have similar dreams.



      Another example: The phone rings at 2:00 AM. You all have dreams about the phone ringing.
      Maybe Dream wavelength will explain it. And the USB port thing is really funny...how can we safely remove from the host Dreamer...eheheh..
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      Quote Originally Posted by Mindraker View Post
      If everyone were sleeping in the same room, and everyone had the same external stimuli, then it wouldn't it make sense that the people in the room could have the same or similar dreams?
      No.

      Just because people are exposed to the same stimuli does not mean they experience it the same way. There might be similarities, such as a phone ringing might trigger an actual phone in a one dreamer's mind; however, in another it might be someone yelling at them to answer the phone.

      Building on this, there are even some people who have very unusual and divergent minds.... so that when they might hear a phone ringing externally, in a dream they might process it as a hacksaw... or a fish speaking gibberish to them...

      How external stimuli is experienced and how that information is translated into a dream vary.

      Although, if you have a few people who think alike, you might come up with better results.
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