New Technique, TILD.

**Hukif** · 06-16-2009 02:50 AM

The Technique

First, you have to somehow find out how it feels for you when a dream is forming, lets call that a “shift” in here. Once that is done, you have to memorize the “shift” and practice how it feels in your mind so that you can catch it when it comes, pretty much like a RC, take the time that works the best for you to do this.

How to

Now, since the technique by itself is really hard (or so I think), it would require for someone to work with extreme recall or placebo, so I will put it into three different forms, that would make it easier to use for anyone while the shift is learned correctly.

A)Ideal Form, the hard one, you memorize the shift from either autosuggestion or memory, practice it and then go to sleep normally, once asleep, when a dream starts to form or suddenly appears out of nowhere (the shift) you will notice it and become lucid, either while it is forming or once it starts.
B)WILD Form, since WILD generally deals with passing through the shift aware, you use it to find out how it feels for you, to make things simpler, a V-WILD that uses this shift instead of the normal visualization. It is supposed that, as you get better at this, one will stop using WILD and just go to sleep normally then catch it.
C)DILD/MILD Form, use of MILD to find out how the shift feels, or create a fake shift, once that is done, use the normal MILD technique “I will notice a shift and become lucid” (Or alike), as time passes and one gets better at it, you should stop using MILD/DILD or naturally notice when a dream is forming/forms and become lucid from the shift.
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So far, only two people have tried this, Higurashi and Me, for Higurashi it helped him with DILD (to notice the change in dream scenes), for me, it worked, but is far less reliable than all the other techniques I use (since I gave it a try for a short while, should try again), so want more people to try it.

If someone wants to give it a try, please do so and report back anything that happens, so it can be worked on whether the technique is useful or not.

For the experiment, 5 people to try the DILD/MILD form and 5 other to try the WILD form and then go for the main thing, would be enough, but if there is more, even better! 1 week of trying is enough, but extending it to 1 month would give better results… and cookies.

The main purpose is to make the technique available for everyone, otherwise it would be useless, as the purpose of techniques is to help people to get lucid, not frustrated <.< But since I couldn’t come with a good way to do so without relying on the other techniques... will have to rely on them.

Now I suppose many would be thinking “WTH! What’s the purpose if it needs you to use WILD or DILD! Isn’t it easier to just use these two!?” So, even though its true that it is easier to just go with the other two, the technique would make you lucid at the very beginning of a dream, without the need of entering from the waking state (If we consider the ideal form), and what can be better if you can accomplish this while looking for the technique that works best for you? I mean, some are better at WILD or some at DILD, so while you are looking for that which works for you, why not give it a try for an extra reward?

**lucidspark64** · 06-16-2009 07:31 AM

Sounds pretty close to WILD. Are you suppose to attempt this in a WBTB or at te beginning of sleep. You could try both ways but a WBTB would probably just give you a WILD from what I imagine.

**bobdaduck** · 06-16-2009 08:20 AM

It seems almost like an "add on" to a WILD. I'll try it out when I get a couple more WILD's.

So the technique is to basically memorize then re-simulate the transition feeling so that you can do this (eventually) at will, or is it going to become a dreamsign, where you realize you are about to dream from feeling this?

**Hukif** · 06-17-2009 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by bobdaduck

It seems almost like an "add on" to a WILD. I'll try it out when I get a couple more WILD's.

So the technique is to basically memorize then re-simulate the transition feeling so that you can do this (eventually) at will, or is it going to become a dreamsign, where you realize you are about to dream from feeling this?

Yes, though it is more like a dreamsign before the dream forms. And I blame the "add on" on the fact that you would need amazing recall/autosuggestion to get the feeling without a WILD, after all, you are supposed to be asleep for it to work.
Of course if you can make a fake feeling it works too, would be a DILD but also makes it easier for everyone, no need to WILD or have amazing recall/autosuggestion, which is mostly why I made the thread.

Originally Posted by lucidspark64

Sounds pretty close to WILD. Are you suppose to attempt this in a WBTB or at te beginning of sleep. You could try both ways but a WBTB would probably just give you a WILD from what I imagine.

At both, since it triggers before the dream forms, it doesn't really matter at which time you try it, but if we consider general dreaming I has read in here, people have better chances at WBTB.

Note: Dissapointed/proud of DV... bad DV, bad.

**AURON** · 07-10-2009 12:27 PM

it almost sounds like a paradigmshift...either way I need to get my sleeping pattern back to normal so I could actually work on it.

you should also separate the three forms a little bit, or put them in bold, to help the reader understand it a bit more. I kept reading ABC over and over, like it was only one method to it.

**Hukif** · 07-13-2009 10:33 PM

Dang it... more work to do, will need to bother an admin again <.<
Thanks for pointing that out.

**AURON** · 07-14-2009 06:57 PM

np man. I've been working on the Ideal Form recently by remembering all the different things that happen to me while before my WILDs start. At night before I go to sleep I'll try to think about those experiences, and visualize it happening. I haven't gotten lucid yet from it, but I've had a dream where I know it had to be the begining of it. My sleep pattern is still a little messed up though, so it may take a little more work for me to get things going. I'll keep you posted if anything else happens.

**AURON** · 07-30-2009 01:19 PM

finally had a dream that could've been close to the ideal form, but it happened after the dream already started. it was like a natural DEILD cause I didn't have to do anything after the first dream ended...things went black at the end of the dream, and i was fully lucid when the next one started. here is a link to that dream

my only question is should it have happned like that? or should it only happnen before I've even had a one dream?

**Hukif** · 07-30-2009 05:08 PM

Oh, sounds like you did it (or nearly, since it sounds like a DEILD too). It doesn't matter if its on the very first dream or the last, as long as you become lucid because of the "shift".

**hellohihello** · 08-01-2009 02:51 AM

This sounds interesting, but I have a couple questions.

Is HI setting in considered the part to remember?

Does the feeling of being in a dream work too?

**Hukif** · 08-01-2009 11:24 PM

HI? I don't know, it should be for the WILD add on, but am not sure if the "shift" is HH or anything <.<

The feeling of being in a dream, from the tutorials, I think thats CDILD (Confidence and Dream Feeling) or something.

And yay hhh is here! Now, I need to work on a tutorial for this thing... but lazyness <.<

**hellohihello** · 08-02-2009 08:23 AM

When I WILD I don't really hallucinate, but get some imagery, which I am guessing is the dream starting to form. I think I will do the MILD one first until I know what it feels like, like you said. I'll give it a go for about a month if I can remember.

And you were correct, I had no clue that was a tutorial.

**Hukif** · 08-02-2009 10:54 PM

wee more people trying!
Now I only need like 7 more to try this! "prays for the technique to actually be useful"
And I guess the HI would be the shift for you, after all, I think its different for everyone.

**hellohihello** · 08-02-2009 10:58 PM

Well last night I did the MILD one. It must of worked but I remember very little... I know this because I repeated the mantra fell asleep and became lucid at the start of my REM. It faded just as I knew I was dreaming. I looked at my clock, it was 5:30, and that's when my REM begins.

So, was this just a coincidence or is this how it's supposed to work?

**Hukif** · 08-05-2009 04:42 AM

Well, if your REM periods are that accurate, then it was. Thought the only one who should be able to tell is you.

Oh wait, you did the MILD one, right? So then it worked either way, since the MILD one is supposed to work with fake "shifts" too.

**deepdreamer** · 08-11-2009 01:04 AM

ill try the hard one, (the first)

**hellohihello** · 08-12-2009 08:35 PM

I haven't been able to have any luck, although it might just be my recall. It's been terrible lately.

**Hukif** · 08-17-2009 02:37 AM

Oh, it sucks you have bad recall right now, hope it gets back up again.
ANd why does the hard one get more people to try it lol

**AURON** · 08-25-2009 10:56 AM

i picked the hard one cause i was drawn to the word "ideal".

As for the WILD one...I'm bascially trying to wild while imagining how the shift feels? I think I already do this with most of my wilds....I'll try to imagine myself rocking back and fourth, or moving like what happens when i'm about to hit SP.

**Hukif** · 08-29-2009 02:09 AM

Oh, silly wording of mine. Well, at least people is trying this, yay!

**AURON** · 09-18-2009 07:51 AM

i've still been working at this on and off, and i've found that i've been waking up after dreams more and more. I've still been doing wbtbs and other things over the past, but now I'm going to just work on the technique itself, and see if I can get some lucids out of it.

**Hukif** · 09-20-2009 11:25 PM

Oh, thanks akono, really appreciate you trying this out, I plan to make a workshop of this thing too, just need more free time, probably in holydays.

**AURON** · 12-08-2009 04:15 PM

no problem man =) too bad my internet connection is all messed up now a days.

**AURON** · 12-20-2009 08:20 AM

still working on the form...I've had two successful TILDs this month. I'll just go to sleep normally...and all of a suddend become aware if a dream starts.

**Gnossienne** · 12-20-2009 07:44 PM

What does TILD stand for?

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