Thread: New Technique, TILD.

The Technique

First, you have to somehow find out how it feels for you when a dream is forming, lets call that a “shift” in here. Once that is done, you have to memorize the “shift” and practice how it feels in your mind so that you can catch it when it comes, pretty much like a RC, take the time that works the best for you to do this.

How to

Now, since the technique by itself is really hard (or so I think), it would require for someone to work with extreme recall or placebo, so I will put it into three different forms, that would make it easier to use for anyone while the shift is learned correctly.

A)Ideal Form, the hard one, you memorize the shift from either autosuggestion or memory, practice it and then go to sleep normally, once asleep, when a dream starts to form or suddenly appears out of nowhere (the shift) you will notice it and become lucid, either while it is forming or once it starts.
B)WILD Form, since WILD generally deals with passing through the shift aware, you use it to find out how it feels for you, to make things simpler, a V-WILD that uses this shift instead of the normal visualization. It is supposed that, as you get better at this, one will stop using WILD and just go to sleep normally then catch it.
C)DILD/MILD Form, use of MILD to find out how the shift feels, or create a fake shift, once that is done, use the normal MILD technique “I will notice a shift and become lucid” (Or alike), as time passes and one gets better at it, you should stop using MILD/DILD or naturally notice when a dream is forming/forms and become lucid from the shift.
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So far, only two people have tried this, Higurashi and Me, for Higurashi it helped him with DILD (to notice the change in dream scenes), for me, it worked, but is far less reliable than all the other techniques I use (since I gave it a try for a short while, should try again), so want more people to try it.

If someone wants to give it a try, please do so and report back anything that happens, so it can be worked on whether the technique is useful or not.

For the experiment, 5 people to try the DILD/MILD form and 5 other to try the WILD form and then go for the main thing, would be enough, but if there is more, even better! 1 week of trying is enough, but extending it to 1 month would give better results… and cookies.

The main purpose is to make the technique available for everyone, otherwise it would be useless, as the purpose of techniques is to help people to get lucid, not frustrated <.< But since I couldn’t come with a good way to do so without relying on the other techniques... will have to rely on them.

Now I suppose many would be thinking “WTH! What’s the purpose if it needs you to use WILD or DILD! Isn’t it easier to just use these two!?” So, even though its true that it is easier to just go with the other two, the technique would make you lucid at the very beginning of a dream, without the need of entering from the waking state (If we consider the ideal form), and what can be better if you can accomplish this while looking for the technique that works best for you? I mean, some are better at WILD or some at DILD, so while you are looking for that which works for you, why not give it a try for an extra reward?

Sounds pretty close to WILD. Are you suppose to attempt this in a WBTB or at te beginning of sleep. You could try both ways but a WBTB would probably just give you a WILD from what I imagine.

It seems almost like an "add on" to a WILD. I'll try it out when I get a couple more WILD's.

So the technique is to basically memorize then re-simulate the transition feeling so that you can do this (eventually) at will, or is it going to become a dreamsign, where you realize you are about to dream from feeling this?

Originally Posted by bobdaduck

It seems almost like an "add on" to a WILD. I'll try it out when I get a couple more WILD's.

So the technique is to basically memorize then re-simulate the transition feeling so that you can do this (eventually) at will, or is it going to become a dreamsign, where you realize you are about to dream from feeling this?

Yes, though it is more like a dreamsign before the dream forms. And I blame the "add on" on the fact that you would need amazing recall/autosuggestion to get the feeling without a WILD, after all, you are supposed to be asleep for it to work.
Of course if you can make a fake feeling it works too, would be a DILD but also makes it easier for everyone, no need to WILD or have amazing recall/autosuggestion, which is mostly why I made the thread.

Originally Posted by lucidspark64

Sounds pretty close to WILD. Are you suppose to attempt this in a WBTB or at te beginning of sleep. You could try both ways but a WBTB would probably just give you a WILD from what I imagine.

At both, since it triggers before the dream forms, it doesn't really matter at which time you try it, but if we consider general dreaming I has read in here, people have better chances at WBTB.

Note: Dissapointed/proud of DV... bad DV, bad.

it almost sounds like a paradigmshift...either way I need to get my sleeping pattern back to normal so I could actually work on it.

you should also separate the three forms a little bit, or put them in bold, to help the reader understand it a bit more. I kept reading ABC over and over, like it was only one method to it.

Dang it... more work to do, will need to bother an admin again <.<
Thanks for pointing that out.

np man. I've been working on the Ideal Form recently by remembering all the different things that happen to me while before my WILDs start. At night before I go to sleep I'll try to think about those experiences, and visualize it happening. I haven't gotten lucid yet from it, but I've had a dream where I know it had to be the begining of it. My sleep pattern is still a little messed up though, so it may take a little more work for me to get things going. I'll keep you posted if anything else happens.

I'm working on my method, that I hope, will serve me for the rest of my life. I think that actually, your method is a sub genre of the method I want to develop.
HILD! - Habit Induced Lucid Dream. It also can be called "Automatically becoming lucid". The reason you thought it will be the ultimate way to induce a dream is because it'll happen automatically\naturally right?
I want my subconscious to work with me; instead of me trying to force it with my conscious.
So basically everything that will become a habit, and work by itself is part of that.
What I'm trying to learn to do now is to WILD; But I'm not doing any visualizations or anything. I'm trying to sharpen my sense of when I start to drift away and then start to dream. I'm also trying to stay conscious while me sub-conscious starts to dream. I hope to make it more and more precise; and hopefully becoming a master of it. If I miss the moment - I'll wake-up a few hours later, a bit dissapainted; and if I'll have to much awareness - I won't fall a sleep. Obviously I prefer to try more times, so I could learn more; so we are talking about some long nights here j-: Thank got I don't have a job. B-D
Yesterday, it worked. I saw a blurry image that only in the middle of it I saw something; and only after a moment I realized I'm seeing an image. And then I made it clear, and a lucid began.
So that you'll understand, I was able to have a few WILDs naturally; only a few months ago, when I began to learn about Lucid Dreaming.
So with time, I hope it'll become a more and more automatic process. I hope it's approximately what you meant.

So did you progress with your method??

Oh, I can effectively use it if I mean to, but generally stick with DILD. I don't think its ultimate, as it is kind of a RC for the waking-sleeping in-between. I wonder though what would happen if it were to become an habit.

I do think though, that habit makes it easier to LD, as I have seen with people who are good at LDing, the more they practice, the easier it becomes it seems.

Well, I think that if a person can develop even a bad habit (a one he doesn't want), then why, this cannot become a habit?
When you do something a lot of times - connections in the brain are forming and becoming more prevalent.
That's probably why people have it easier LDing with more experience.

I looked in the threads started by you to see your methods but didn't find any.
Do you have a place where you explain your best methods; how you achieve it?
BTW I love nightmares too. There are two kinds: scary (though, don't remember for a long time); and ones that are suppose to be scary but I'm not scared at all.
When I was little - I really got scared by them, and I hated nightmares; now it's fun. :-)

I don't really read a lot in the forum. Who did you see that had the most LD count other then you; and how much was it? And I guess the period of time, also matters.

Oh, I have never explained in detail how I become lucid (In DV), I just use the regular DILD/RC, and use gravity as my RC. Always trying to extend each RC for long periods of time so that it becomes more effective.

And people with more lucids than me, iadr and luminous, lumi is a natural, iadr is a WILDer, Naiya used to have more, and then school came and ruined it.

How doe's that work?
Anyway I'll report progress. So far for two days I couldn't achieve lucidity.

I tried once for 3 strait days RCing like crazy. It didn't do anything for me so I stopped. Strangely, it worked the best for me when I didn't do pretty much anything.
So you find yourself doing RCs in a dream and become lucid?

Yup, most of my LDs come from RCs, around, 99% of them. Though gravity RC is somewhat different from other RCs, as it doesn't requires you to stop and do anything extra to dp tje RC.

"Constant awareness". Alright, wrote it to myself. Thanks.

Well, I focus on my weight at all times, so, moving and going around my daily life is actually beneficial to the RC, even typing helps with it.

Ayup, at least body awareness.

Wait, wait, so this method is like you automatically become lucid at the start of a dream, without having to wake yourself up or use RCs? Because I think I might already do this...

Yes, something like that. Though it should be "become lucid before a dream starts without the need of waking up in-between" yup. And I wouldn't call it a method, I was trying to get research done on it to actually use it as anything, there isn't much luck as of yet, though.

So basically, you just pay attention to your body? IE: When your writing or typing, you focus on how in feels in your hands. When you walk, you focus on how it feels in your legs. etc?

Originally Posted by rynkrt3

So basically, you just pay attention to your body? IE: When your writing or typing, you focus on how in feels in your hands. When you walk, you focus on how it feels in your legs. etc?

Nop, you concentrate on how it feels when a dream forms, or create a fake sensation in order to use it as a RC.

Ah, gonna try AscendedSleeper? I need waaaaay more data.

Originally Posted by Hukif

Nop, you concentrate on how it feels when a dream forms, or create a fake sensation in order to use it as a RC.

Ah, gonna try AscendedSleeper? I need waaaaay more data.

I was talking about your RC, you said you focus on your body all day...

Originally Posted by rynkrt3

I was talking about your RC, you said you focus on your body all day...

Ah gravity RC, then yes <.<
Made a post about that one not long ago, actually. But it is posted over mm so yeah, you would have to go there to read.

AscendedSleeper, awesome! Thanks for the participation guys/girls, it means a lot.

Originally Posted by Hukif

Ah gravity RC, then yes <.<
Made a post about that one not long ago, actually. But it is posted over mm so yeah, you would have to go there to read.

AscendedSleeper, awesome! Thanks for the participation guys/girls, it means a lot.

mm?

This idea sounds really cool. The greatest difficulty that I see with this technique is that one would have to realize what is happening immediately after transitioning out of the absolute void of deep N-REM sleep.

I think that if this technique were mastered, however, it would be the ultimate induction technique. No sleep loss would be necessary, lucids would start from the very beginning of the dream, and it doesn't rely on any dream signs to show up. The formation of the dream itself would be the ultimate dream sign.