Sleep paralysis instead of sleep?

[Kuyarei]

Well, this happened today and it was freaking weird. i returned from school and i went to the bed to sleep. a few moments after i was on the bed, i felt like sleep paralysis was sucking me into it when i dont move. i tried to sleep normally but it seems i'm forced to enter sleep paralysis. i felt heavy and hard to move, but i dont like sleep paralysis so i lifted my hand to cancel it. i changed my position multiple times and there was no change. it kept making me heavier the more i stay still. i don't know what happened but my father woke me up. now i don't remember if i actually slept or not, but when i got up the time that passed suggests i wasn't asleep. and i dont recall any dreams. 12:00 ---12:25 now that i think about it it was a ticket to a lucid dream, but i dont like SP so whatever EDIT- It seems i mistook SP for something else, well my bad this is the first time i get this to happen.

[Scionox]

Doesn't sounds like SP, since you were able to move, SP is when unable to move at all. The sensations you are experienced are just normal sensations of falling asleep that we experience when become more aware of sleep state. Also, i think the reason you didn't remembered that you slept is because you were in just NREM stages of sleep and haven't reached REM, happens to me sometimes. By the way, SP is not related to lucid dreaming in any way and should not be your aim: http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...explained.html *Moved to Sleep and Health*

[gab]

That was not SP. As the name says - paralysis - you would not be able to move to cancel it. It would not be hard to move, but impossible to move, no matter what. Too bad you didn't know about this. Because what you have experienced were normal falling asleep sensations. Normally we don't experience them, because by then we are already asleep, or just don't pay attention to them. So had you just let it take it's course and kept your mind aware a little longer, while letting your body fall asleep, you would have possibly entered LD. Please forget everything you have read about SP. It is not part of lucid dreaming process. Good luck and happy dreams. Dreamviews recommended WILD for beginners Detailed WILD by sageous SP demystified

[Kuyarei]

That was not SP. As the name says - paralysis - you would not be able to move to cancel it. It would not be hard to move, but impossible to move, no matter what. Too bad you didn't know about this. Because what you have experienced were normal falling asleep sensations. Normally we don't experience them, because by then we are already asleep, or just don't pay attention to them. So had you just let it take it's course and kept your mind aware a little longer, while letting your body fall asleep, you would have possibly entered LD. Please forget everything you have read about SP. It is not part of lucid dreaming process. Good luck and happy dreams. Dreamviews recommended WILD for beginners Detailed WILD by sageous SP demystified Damn it, i got scared for nothing. it was my first time getting this so how would i know anyway. but i felt it was a ticket to a lucid dream however i saw it. if you dont mind, i need some help on the VILD technique that pedro made because i dont know when to wake up. its the same as the original but i'm trying to do it after sleeping.

[gab]

Haha, I'm not blaming you. I blame videos and tutorials scaring people about SP. I'm just glad you found the right place to ask about it. And yes, you are partially right about this to be a ticket to WILD. Partially, because you don't need these sensations either. They could, however be an indicator how far you have gone. But, you don't always get them, or not the same ones, or different intensity. So if you waited for these same sensations during your next attempt and they wouldn't happen, you could lose a chance to become lucid. If you link me to the VILD, I look at it. (search didn't give me any results) But, in the meantime, you can use the regular basic WILD after sleep also. What I linked you above also tells you the best time to wake up for WILD. That's how I do it too. And it's better to start with classic WILD, try it out and then change it to your needs.

[Kuyarei]

Haha, I'm not blaming you. I blame videos and tutorials scaring people about SP. I'm just glad you found the right place to ask about it. And yes, you are partially right about this to be a ticket to WILD. Partially, because you don't need these sensations either. They could, however be an indicator how far you have gone. But, you don't always get them, or not the same ones, or different intensity. So if you waited for these same sensations during your next attempt and they wouldn't happen, you could lose a chance to become lucid. If you link me to the VILD, I look at it. (search didn't give me any results) But, in the meantime, you can use the regular basic WILD after sleep also. What I linked you above also tells you the best time to wake up for WILD. That's how I do it too. And it's better to start with classic WILD, try it out and then change it to your needs. here is the original tutorial, [deleted by gab, as I had no idea this leads to another forum, sorry] some people made an alternative where you wake up then begin visualizing the scene. the problem for me is that part. http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...-dreaming.html

[gab]

here is the original tutorial, [sorry, deleted, as this leads to another website[/url] some people made an alternative where you wake up then begin visualizing the scene. the problem for me is that part. http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...-dreaming.html Ok, if you read the detailed WILD I have linked you above, I'm pretty sure it talks about visualizing as well. Most of the time when people talk about visualizing, they make it sound more complicated than it is. It's pretty simple. First you pick a scene - from your older dream, something what happened during day, or any cool fantasy you may have. First you just thinking about it. As you falling asleep and some hypnagogic hallucinations HH may start forming, you will notice either images of what you are thinking about, or brand new images starting to form. Even closer to falling asleep, these images may start to get animated and take life of it's own. Let them be, don't try to control them. These may develop into dreams that you can enter by falling asleep consiously.

[Kuyarei]

Ok, if you read the detailed WILD I have linked you above, I'm pretty sure it talks about visualizing as well. Most of the time when people talk about visualizing, they make it sound more complicated than it is. It's pretty simple. First you pick a scene - from your older dream, something what happened during day, or any cool fantasy you may have. First you just thinking about it. As you falling asleep and some hypnagogic hallucinations HH may start forming, you will notice either images of what you are thinking about, or brand new images starting to form. Even closer to falling asleep, these images may start to get animated and take life of it's own. Let them be, don't try to control them. These may develop into dreams that you can enter by falling asleep consiously. didn't know about linking to other websites, sorry. last question, do i wake up to do this after 5 hours of sleep?

[gab]

didn't know about linking to other websites, sorry. last question, do i wake up to do this after 5 hours of sleep? No problem. This can help you chose time for WBTB for WILD. Each sleep cycle we go through as we sleep is about 90 min long. Starts with NREM and ends with REM. As you first go to sleep, NREM is about 80 min and REM 10 min long. As we sleep, NREM gets shorter and REM longer, until after maybe 7-8 hrs of sleep, NREM is very short, just a few min. So after 4.5 hrs of sleep you will be between 3rd and 4th sleep cycle. You may wanna aim to wake up in the middle of a 4th sleep cycle, to be close to REM. So yes, 5 hrs would put you just about there. If you find out that this doesn't work for you, pick another time. Hope this helps.

[Kuyarei]

No problem. This can help you chose time for WBTB for WILD. Each sleep cycle we go through as we sleep is about 90 min long. Starts with NREM and ends with REM. As you first go to sleep, NREM is about 80 min and REM 10 min long. As we sleep, NREM gets shorter and REM longer, until after maybe 7-8 hrs of sleep, NREM is very short, just a few min. So after 4.5 hrs of sleep you will be between 3rd and 4th sleep cycle. You may wanna aim to wake up in the middle of a 4th sleep cycle, to be close to REM. So yes, 5 hrs would put you just about there. If you find out that this doesn't work for you, pick another time. Hope this helps. Thanks, i will give it a shot with 5 then 6 hours to see which one works. if i can get this working, then this is my ultimate technique.

[Kuyarei]

No problem. This can help you chose time for WBTB for WILD. Each sleep cycle we go through as we sleep is about 90 min long. Starts with NREM and ends with REM. As you first go to sleep, NREM is about 80 min and REM 10 min long. As we sleep, NREM gets shorter and REM longer, until after maybe 7-8 hrs of sleep, NREM is very short, just a few min. So after 4.5 hrs of sleep you will be between 3rd and 4th sleep cycle. You may wanna aim to wake up in the middle of a 4th sleep cycle, to be close to REM. So yes, 5 hrs would put you just about there. If you find out that this doesn't work for you, pick another time. Hope this helps. i did wake up because of the sleep cycle, but that was before the 5-hour mark. I tried the 5 hour timing, but as usual, i wake up and know about the VILD technique. but i ignore the visualization part. i'll keep focusing on this for the next few days to get it right.