Thread: How to have an Instant WILD

Originally Posted by mcwillis

Yet again we are going to have to mull over the semantics of a DEILD because it seems that people don't understand the basics. One doesn't learn from skimming books, only reading them.

Quoting the Dream Guide Team of this forum on their description of DEILD's:

"However, if you are at the end of a REM phase you won't be able to DEILD."

Where in the book does it say you must practice as soon as you awaken from a dream? Mr. Raduga is referring to when you awaken at the end of a REM phase.

Quoting the Dream Guide Team of this forum on their description of DEILD's:

"In order to DEILD you have to have good dream recall. Not only so you won't forget your DEILD adventures, but also because you need to be aware enough of your dreams that you know when one has just ended. It is suggested that you have your dream recall at 10 or more dreams remembered per week before you attempt to DEILD."

Where does Mr. Raduga mention in the book that one must cultivate dream recall for Indirect Techniques to be successful? He doesn't because he is referring to when you awaken at the end of a REM cycle. 50% of students have a lucid dream or an obe over the course of a three day seminar like in the photo above. Do you think they all have great dream recall? Statistically most of them would have a very low level of dream recall.

Derp.

I already read that post, and strongly disagreed with it on the premise that the DGT is not the end-all-be-all decider of technique definitions. One, I've had DEILDs at the end of REM, so that invalidates the first point by counter-example. And two, I've found recall isn't terribly necessary for lucid dreaming as a whole. It's incredibly easy to recall lucids compared to normal dreams, and as long as the intent is there productive things can happen. Including recognizing end-of-cycle wake-ups. I know that's true because I always remember my wake-ups each night even if I don't recall any dreams.

Don't be so quick to make decisions and judgments based on the insights of others.

And please don't post the shame shitty argument again. You're taking up valuable internets.

I'm sure we would be interested to know your techniques for having WILD's in less than a minute.

Sure, it's called a DEILD, which is what this guy is teaching. The fact that there's been so many results is a testament to how he presents it more than anything else.

I for one know the stuff he's teaching will work, because I've successfully utilized most of the transitioning techniques in there myself. Again, it's a good resource, but to call this something other than DEILD is silly.

I don't know if it is a DEILD or not, but it doesn't matter it's a lucid dream induction technique that works for me that is all that matters.

I am going to try this tonight again

Sweet dreams!

But I only have one question. Mr Raduga is mainly talking about how to induce a phase like an OBE and not lucid dreams, he does mention lucid dream once though.
But what phase is a lucid dream then?

Originally Posted by MasterMind

But I only have one question. Mr Raduga is mainly talking about how to induce a phase like an OBE and not lucid dreams, he does mention lucid dream once though.
But what phase is a lucid dream then?

Mr. Raduga mentions lucid dreams many times. He uses the term 'The Phase' to encompass the phenomenon of Astral Projection, Out of Body Experience and Lucid Dreaming.

I'm going to be doing it again tomorrow morning. Once again congratulations on having a lucid dream on your 2nd day of practice

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

I already read that post, and strongly disagreed with it on the premise that the DGT is not the end-all-be-all decider of technique definitions. One, I've had DEILDs at the end of REM, so that invalidates the first point by counter-example.

I have posted that I have had success with this in non REM sleep which means that it cannot be a DEILD method. Indirect Techniques are exactly the same as Direct techniques. If Direct Techniques can be used at any time of the day then this illustrates that this isn't a DEILD method. If you can post a link for a DEILD method from this forum that can be used at any time of the day without the need to exit sleep then I will apolgise to you.

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

And two, I've found recall isn't terribly necessary for lucid dreaming as a whole.

This may be the case for you but for the vast majority of people it is absolutely crucial to develop dream recall. Because of this fact DEILD requires training to succeed. Explain to me why 50% of Mr. Raduga's students have an OBE or lucid within three days of practice without any prior dream training?

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

Don't be so quick to make decisions and judgments based on the insights of others.

I don't as I have been researching this subject for twenty one years by experts in this field.

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

And please don't post the shame shitty argument again. You're taking up valuable internets.

I will when you clearly haven't read this thread properly or the books. Your vulgar language only serves to illustrate your immaturity and lack of knowledge concerning the subject.

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

I for one know the stuff he's teaching will work, because I've successfully utilized most of the transitioning techniques in there myself. Again, it's a good resource, but to call this something other than DEILD is silly.

Then explain to me how I was able to have success during non REM sleep?