Thread: How to have an Instant WILD

Originally Posted by LawPaw

Careful with this one. I had a similar intention when I started (similar to mantra) and woke up every day after exactly 90 minutes of sleep. I was never sure if it had been 6 hours so I would try indirect techniques. I had some bad insomnia that first two weeks.

Oh ok thanks for the warning. I think im going to use a new mantra now.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

The lucid you had was a DILD. I don't understand why you have stopped reading the book. It is crucial to read and re-read the book as you will most likely make mistakes and hamper your progress. Can I ask why you can't do WBTB? What are you trying at night? If it is Indirect Techniques then don't do them at night, it is extremely unlikely that they will work and you will just be arresting any progress.

I will move after waking up if I will use the alarm. I'm trying some direct techniques at night, no success. So it's better to use indirect techniques in an afternoon nap?

Originally Posted by halfer

I will move after waking up if I will use the alarm. I'm trying some direct techniques at night, no success. So it's better to use indirect techniques in an afternoon nap?

I would not try direct techniques unless you have alot of experience. Even then, never try them at night. The beginning of the night is a terrible time to try to have LD's for a variety of reasons.

I would try waking up with your alarm after 6 hours (or 4.5 hours if you are really crunched for time) then setting the alarm for two hour later. Or whenever you NEED to get up for the day. Go back to sleep for the 2 hours with the strong intention of waking up without moving several times within those two hours. People usually are able to wake up naturally based on strong intentions.

If that absolutely won't work after trying for a few weeks, find a way to have an alarm ring for about 15 seconds every 20 minutes or so AFTER you've slept for as close to 6 hours as possible. For example, have a 15 second alarm go off after 6 hours on your phone or computer placed in your bedroom. You can also use a stereo. I have used 15 second alarm MP3s that are spaced between hour and 20 minute dead noise intervals (on my ipod playlist).

It is much better to wake up without an alarm because an alarm will almost certainly take you far enough out of sleep to require a good deal of indirect techniques. If you wake naturally you are much more likely to be able to seperate immediately or after little effort.

Originally Posted by halfer

I will move after waking up if I will use the alarm. I'm trying some direct techniques at night, no success. So it's better to use indirect techniques in an afternoon nap?

Using an alarm will ruin your chances by 50-75%. Natural awakening after WBTB is the ideal. Mr. Raduga says very emphatically don't practice Direct Techniques under any circumstances until you have plenty of experience of Indirect Techniques combined with WBTB. In his experience this will seriously arrest your progress. If you want maximum success in a short period of training time you really need to study the books.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

Mr. Raduga says very emphatically don't practice Direct Techniques under any circumstances until you have plenty of experience of Indirect Techniques combined with WBTB. In his experience this will seriously arrest your progress.

Mr. Raduga and all the other experts, particularly at night before bed. I wouldn't try it then even with plenty of experience.

Originally Posted by LawPaw

Mr. Raduga and all the other experts, particularly at night before bed. I wouldn't try it then even with plenty of experience.

Indeed, at night before bed is the worst time to WILD. I nearly did manage to once. It is very hard.

I try just about every night and have never fully succeeded. I like to try just for practice and it also usually helps me to get DILDs.

Originally Posted by moongrass

I try just about every night and have never fully succeeded. I like to try just for practice and it also usually helps me to get DILDs.

Even for pratctice he vehemently opposes this. I don't see how praticing Direct Techniques can induce DILD's at all dude.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

Even for pratctice he vehemently opposes this. I don't see how praticing Direct Techniques can induce DILD's at all dude.

I didn't realize that he said not to at all? Also, very often after trying to WILD I will later dream about trying to WILD and then become lucid.

Originally Posted by moongrass

I didn't realize that he said not to at all?

Yes he said even practicing Direct Techniques prior to gaining experience of Indirect Techniques is unadvisable.

Originally Posted by moongrass

Also, very often after trying to WILD I will later dream about trying to WILD and then become lucid.

Sorry moongrass. I understand now

Originally Posted by moongrass

I didn't realize that he said not to at all? Also, very often after trying to WILD I will later dream about trying to WILD and then become lucid.

Mr. Raduga strongly advises against this because it can zap your energy for attempts that have a good chance.

Just set an alarm for 4.5 hours or 6 hours after you fall asleep and then try to WILD if you feel like you need to try it as a direct technique.

Doing it as you fall asleep is also a good way to get major insomnia.

Originally Posted by LawPaw

Just set an alarm for 4.5 hours or 6 hours after you fall asleep and then try to WILD if you feel like you need to try it as a direct technique.

I usually wake up on my own after several hours of sleep, so I will not need an alarm. Than if I move should I try to use a direct technique from there or should I get up and move around first? I usually just fall back asleep.

Originally Posted by moongrass

I usually wake up on my own after several hours of sleep, so I will not need an alarm. Than if I move should I try to use a direct technique from there or should I get up and move around first? I usually just fall back asleep.

Mr. Raduga says the best way for beginners is to use the deferred method as he puts it, i.e. wake back to bed.

To begin, I´m really sorry for my weak english.

I still can´t go to phase, but I think I´m close...

When I first read about waking up after each rem cycle, at first I felt extremely skeptical about the subject. I didn´t even know that we wake up after each dream and, think about using this to trigger LD´s was even less possible for me.

But I read the book, post some doubts here and motivated myself to try. So, I´m using the techniques for about one week. I´m not luck as Raduga´s students but I started to see some improvements. At first I began, every night, as soon as I went to bed, to think my affirmations to wake up after every REM cycle/dream and stay still. To my surprise, I began to wake up at least two times during the night. Then I have to start made some adjustments to my own process, because I was trying to stay still without opening my eyes, but I one of those people that is (as) used to made movements and open the eyes his all life and I was forgetting to do that as soon as I was awakening. But I insisted.

I perceived that to have a positive attitude towards this subject is beneficial even during the day. I now affirm to myself during the day, many times, my mantra (that I will wake up after each dream/rem cycle, not move, not open my eyes and I will go into phase etc).

Then I continued to wake one or two times during the night, but usually forgetting what to do or where to began. Then in my fourth day, after my usual affirmation/mantra I slept and woke up during the night but for a fraction of second I remembered to not move or open my eyes. For the first time in my life (lol). It not seem very much of improvement, but for me it is, since I was used to did the opposite during all my life and until some days I never thought it was possible to change this. Well, after waking up I immediately tried to levitate and roll over (the first 5 seconds). Nothing happened. Then I started the cycles but I ended sleeping in the middle of the first one...

In the last days I´m still using myself to the new situation of waking during the night and not move. Sometimes I forget, but I´m improving. And finally, last night, I woke up without moving or opening the eyes, tried to roll over and without sucess I started to look at images... and then I saw flashes of intense light moving, faces of people and some landscapes forming in front of me.... not so vivid, more like a clouded scene... then I slept! lol

Well I think I´m near, but I see I´m having results each day. In my opinion true intent and true motivation are what help me. I suggest people to take a special look over this.

Well done Sahashara. You don't have to apologise about your English. In fact it is very good. You have clearly studied the book. If you can sleep for six hours, get up for a while and then go back to sleep and do everything you have done as described above. You are falling asleep because you are doing this during the night rather than after a night's sleep which Mr. Raduga doesn't recommend for beginners as your body needs to be fully rested. I had this trouble in the morning and his instructions are that we must be more aggresive with our cycles of Indirect Techniques so that we don't fall asleep. You are close to success

hi mcwillis,

In fact I also understand the importance of the deferred method but during week because of a full-time job I can´t do it so I only may give it a try during weekends...

Now I would like to ask you something I didn´t understand very well and maybe in your practices you have faced it... Raduga says one of the best moments to try a phase is after a full night sleep, but I don´t understand how can anyone goes into phase in this situation because after a good night sleep we are supposed to be fully refreshed... so how can is possible to leave the body when our physical body wants to leave the bed ? lol

Originally Posted by Sahashara

hi mcwillis,

In fact I also understand the importance of the deferred method but during week because of a full-time job I can´t do it so I only may give it a try during weekends...

Now I would like to ask you something I didn´t understand very well and maybe in your practices you have faced it... Raduga says one of the best moments to try a phase is after a full night sleep, but I don´t understand how can anyone goes into phase in this situation because after a good night sleep we are supposed to be fully refreshed... so how can is possible to leave the body when our physical body wants to leave the bed ? lol

I think I understand your question. That is why we have to train ourselves to awaken without moving, even opening our eyes lol. It is a great opportunity as well as using the deferred method shortly afterwards. The only problem with this is that most people need an alarm to awaken hence why he stresses we use the deferred method, i.e. wake back to bed as alarms can ruin our chances of success with Indirect Techniques. It is refreshing to see someone who has clearly studied the book rather than just reading it or skimming through it.

mcwillis

Actually, what I was trying to understand is the possibility to enter the phase state even after 8 hours of full sleep, because after so much time sleeping I think its going to be very difficult to enter an altered state os consciousness because our mind is totaly awake... otherwise we could stay in bed for even more cycles of sleep and pass the day just doing that.. but there is a natural ending for those cycles (the 8 hours for the majority of population). So what can we attain doing the technique at this very moment?

I'll go ahead and check it out, thanks.

army0193 that worked . The problem is, I didn't remember to begin indirect techniques and just went to sleep

Aww that stinks. I still didn't use it yet because I'm working on WBTB/WILD because I heard that you can't dream share with OBE's.

Originally Posted by army0193

I still didn't use it yet because I'm working on WBTB/WILD because I heard that you can't dream share with OBE's.

Where did you hear this? There is no reason that this would be true since a WILD is essentially a OBE.

Also, this method works just as well for WILDing as OBE's. I haven't had a true OBE from this method (as in perceiving my physical body in the phase, my bed has always been empty). Observing images will put you into an LD without exiting your body (or perceiving an exit).

Originally Posted by LawPaw

Where did you hear this? There is no reason that this would be true since a WILD is essentially a OBE.

Also, this method works just as well for WILDing as OBE's. I haven't had a true OBE from this method (as in perceiving my physical body in the phase, my bed has always been empty). Observing images will put you into an LD without exiting your body (or perceiving an exit).

It will! Thanks I will definitely go back to the method because it is such a good one. You wanted to know where I heard that. Surprisingly heard it all over the internet .

I had my first perceived separation from this technique this morning "rolling out" immediately after waking without moving. No indirect techniques or even forced falling asleep. I just woke up and rolled out. Unfortunately I couldn't gain sight after standing there for several seconds performing deepening techniques (mostly rubbing my hands, face and body). I suppose I should have tried diving down, but that seems difficult without sight (I have done so with sight a couple of times).

I ended up just falling asleep for another attempt. It's weird that I had a sense of the visuals of my room, but not vision. I guess it would be how you would feel immediately after closing your eyes in a room you knew well, then trying to walk around.

It's the first time deepening techniques didn't quickly give me vision. I know I made mistakes in not trying other deepening techniques like feeling the room itself or diving down.

I've had many phases, but all of them have been more like regular WILD LD's in that I didn't perceive separation but simply came into a scene.