WILDish Help

[jmanjohn]

Sometimes when I go to sleep I'm laying their for a while and start to feel what seems like WILD type effects. I can feel a numbness run over my body. My heartbeat starts to increase some and that happens for 30 seconds or so then my heart-rate stabilizes and the numbness recedes mostly. Just wondering if that can lead into a WILD because I've heard that you need to have already been in rem sleep to obtain a WILD.

[Robot_Butler]

It is good practice for WILD. Try the same thing after a few hours of sleep, and you will most likely launch into a full lucid dream.

[melanieb]

Yeah, this wouldn't be what you would try when first falling asleep at night but after 4 to 6 hours it might be useful for a WBTB. I achieved my WILDs that way, and I wasn't even trying. Pick a good night when you don't have a schedule the next day and give it a try.

[jmanjohn]

2 things. 1. Is it even possible to get to a lucid from starting form nothing? I've heard of people doing it, but wasn't sure entirely if thats true. 2. How, when I do wild, am i supposed to get past the breathing thing. I tried to maintain a regular breathing pattern, but it didn't work.

[gab]

2 things. 1. Is it even possible to get to a lucid from starting form nothing? I've heard of people doing it, but wasn't sure entirely if thats true. 2. How, when I do wild, am i supposed to get past the breathing thing. I tried to maintain a regular breathing pattern, but it didn't work. 1. REM stage (when most of the dreams occur) is at the end of the sleep cycle, after the longer NREM stage. (NREM is longer only during first hours of sleep, it gets shorter and REM longer the longer you sleep). So if you want to WILD at the beginning of sleep, you need to stay aware during the whole NREM, that can be as long as 80 min. Some Tibetan Yogis can do it. If you attempt WILD after 4-5 hrs of sleep, REM is much closer, so you need to stay aware much shorter while waiting for a dream. 2. When we dream, our heart rate and breathing goes up, so it's natural. Try to stay calm. Happy dreams

[Mzzkc]

2 things. 1. Is it even possible to get to a lucid from starting form nothing? I've heard of people doing it, but wasn't sure entirely if thats true. 2. How, when I do wild, am i supposed to get past the breathing thing. I tried to maintain a regular breathing pattern, but it didn't work. 1. Ditto what Gab said. From personal experience, I can tell you it's not worth the effort. WILDs on the first cycle tend to be short, unstable, and pretty disappointing on the whole. 2. If you're doing the breathing thing, I recommend you follow the advice in Jeff's guide, i.e., model your breathing after your sleeping breaths. In other words, you'll want to draw out your breaths longer than normal without taking things into deep breathing territory. It's like trying to fool someone else into thinking your asleep, if that helps at all.