Thread: WILD attempts

hey guys!
tonight/last night was the 3rd night in which i have been attempting to have a lucid dream.
i have been meditating daily for around a month, for 30mins a day.
i have felt my dream recall go from remembering maybe one dream a month, to now being about 2 dreams per night P: tonight i experienced the first time in which i could recall two separate dreams after a WBTB, instead of one at a time.

I also attempted to have a WILD tonight. needless to say, i didn't succeed. I woke up 4 and a half hours after i had gone to sleep (3am). I used a pretty loud alarm for this. I stayed in bed for a while, a couple of minutes, then i attempted to have a WILD. I counted back from 100, and got to 0 quite a few times. I had very few stray thoughts. I felt my body going to sleep; I experienced hot and cold rushes up and down my limbs, vibrations and a sort of general stiffness? I did not focus on these feelings too much, instead trying now to keep my mind on a balance between concentrating on my breath through my nose and the counting at the back of my head.

I experienced HI, but could not go any further than this. I could not fall asleep. Any ideas?

You're almost there, here's a few things to help you:

-Make sure your not staring into the backs of your eyelids, this doesn't help
-Daydream a scene and it might drop you straight into your own daydream
-Try and "let go" it sounds strange but when I do it it's like I'm holding on to my consciousness and what I can do in one moment is just forget absolutely everything and drop off into the dreamworld . I've never made it past this myself though, I always get scared of the huge falling sensation when I do this

Hope this helps

Ah, okay, thanks for the suggestions
when you say 'let go', do you mean to stop counting too? or just try and fall into sleep?

Originally Posted by Berto

I also attempted to have a WILD tonight. needless to say, i didn't succeed. I woke up 4 and a half hours after i had gone to sleep (3am). I used a pretty loud alarm for this. I stayed in bed for a while, a couple of minutes, then i attempted to have a WILD. I counted back from 100, and got to 0 quite a few times. I had very few stray thoughts. I felt my body going to sleep; I experienced hot and cold rushes up and down my limbs, vibrations and a sort of general stiffness? I did not focus on these feelings too much, instead trying now to keep my mind on a balance between concentrating on my breath through my nose and the counting at the back of my head.

I experienced HI, but could not go any further than this. I could not fall asleep. Any ideas?

Good job on getting your recall up!

Normally, for a WBTB, I would recommend to get out of the bed, put the lights on and stay up for a few minutes before going back to bed for a WILD. You didn't do it this way, but this doesn't seem to be a problem for you. If you would fall asleep too soon, then get up from bed and stay up a little next time.

Sensations you experienced are good - as you say, that was your body falling asleep and your mind observing it. At certain point it's better to stop focusing on anything related to your body - so you were right not to focus on the vibrations and stuff. And also you can stop counting and focusing on breathing.

But to the contrary of the previous post, I do recommend you pay attention to the back of your closed eyelids. One way of entering a lucid dream is through images that may show up there. First they start as just a grey fog swirling around. They may evolve into images and those into movies/dreams. At that point you can either wait for a dream to envelope you or you may enter it by seeing yourself on the ground in the dreamscape you see.

I recommend this WILD (sageous) tutorial, which will explain the whole WILDing process in great detail.
and here is an article about Sensations and types of entry into WILD.

Good luck

ah okay, i see, so as soon as my body is asleep, i should just concentrate on falling asleep, rather than on retaining consciousness?
should i imagine a dream scenario or just try to enter one which my mind creates?

Originally Posted by Berto

ah okay, i see, so as soon as my body is asleep, i should just concentrate on falling asleep, rather than on retaining consciousness?
should i imagine a dream scenario or just try to enter one which my mind creates?

The ultimate goal is to fall asleep, but not before you enter lucid dream. It has to be timed just right. You keep awareness untill you enter lucid dream, then you fall asleep but you keep your awareness, so there is no loss of consciousness when going from awake to asleep.

Untill you have more experience, I would just enter whatever scenario is presented to you. It's possible to manipulate it before entering, but that requires paying attention to it and it may collapse on you. Once you get a feel for it, you can experiment.

But really, the tutorial I linked goes step by step in great detail. It explains it much better than I ever could.

Originally Posted by gab

Good job on getting your recall up!

Normally, for a WBTB, I would recommend to get out of the bed, put the lights on and stay up for a few minutes before going back to bed for a WILD.

An excellent and accurate read I'd recommend would be this paper by Stephen LaBerge, which sums up the results of an experiment he did with a team of scientifics & oneironauts. Wakefulness Makes Lucidity More Likely

The main idea developed in this paper is that staying awake for 1 hour when realizing your WBTB will highly increase your chances of having a lucid dream when you'll go back to bed.

I'm not a WILDer myself but I hope you can receive this piece of advice. Good luck!

Originally Posted by iceTwy

An excellent and accurate read I'd recommend would be this paper by Stephen LaBerge, which sums up the results of an experiment he did with a team of scientifics & oneironauts. Wakefulness Makes Lucidity More Likely

The main idea developed in this paper is that staying awake for 1 hour when realizing your WBTB will highly increase your chances of having a lucid dream when you'll go back to bed.

I'm not a WILDer myself but I hope you can receive this piece of advice. Good luck!

Yes, thank you, I believe it was LaBerge who invented WBTB. But the time you stay awake can be different for everybody. It can be anywhere from 1-60, or even 90 min. It really depends on how fast are you able to wake up to the state, when you can think logically, but still be sleepy enough to fall asleep fast enough, but not too fast.

It's a balancing act and this time can be different each time even for the same person.

But in this case, if OP didn't fall asleep prematurely, he didn't even have to get out of bed, although that's recommended as a guideline. But as I said, everybody is different. This is just one of the reasons why WILD is not so easy to pull off.

hmm what I meant by "let go" is a bit tricky to explain haha. I meant I just drop all feelings, thoughts, senses absolutely everything and then just kind of daydream

Originally Posted by Berto

hey guys!
tonight/last night was the 3rd night in which i have been attempting to have a lucid dream.
i have been meditating daily for around a month, for 30mins a day.
i have felt my dream recall go from remembering maybe one dream a month, to now being about 2 dreams per night P: tonight i experienced the first time in which i could recall two separate dreams after a WBTB, instead of one at a time.

I also attempted to have a WILD tonight. needless to say, i didn't succeed. I woke up 4 and a half hours after i had gone to sleep (3am). I used a pretty loud alarm for this. I stayed in bed for a while, a couple of minutes, then i attempted to have a WILD. I counted back from 100, and got to 0 quite a few times. I had very few stray thoughts. I felt my body going to sleep; I experienced hot and cold rushes up and down my limbs, vibrations and a sort of general stiffness? I did not focus on these feelings too much, instead trying now to keep my mind on a balance between concentrating on my breath through my nose and the counting at the back of my head.

I experienced HI, but could not go any further than this. I could not fall asleep. Any ideas?

I must say you are certainly closer than anybody on their first tries that ive ever seen. Most people ask how they "achieve" SP, but you, you just know your stuff. Acknowledge the sensations, but dont let it be a distraction. Recall, recall, recall. You got that. WBTB. Yup. You're having a WILD soon.

I find it very annoying that everyone feels these 'incredible' vibrations. I've never had any. But yeah this isn't my thread so ill be on my way.

Nice. Work.

Originally Posted by djpatch999

hmm what I meant by "let go" is a bit tricky to explain haha. I meant I just drop all feelings, thoughts, senses absolutely everything and then just kind of daydream

Maybe 'surrender'?

Originally Posted by ThAtaInTmE

Most people ask how they "achieve" SP, but you, you just know your stuff. Acknowledge the sensations, but dont let it be a distraction. Recall, recall, recall. You got that. WBTB. Yup. You're having a WILD soon.

I find it very annoying that everyone feels these 'incredible' vibrations. I've never had any. But yeah this isn't my thread so ill be on my way.

We did use to call vibrations, falling through mattress, rotating and all other sensations SP, because we didn't know better. (it is a confusing toppic and you get a slightly different answer on all websites you look).

But now we believe, that term SP should be used only for the time, when you get to experience REM attonia (paralysis) you get when you dream, so you don't act out your dreams. When in SP, you are not able to move no matter what and you may feel a threatening presence in your room, maybe even sitting on your chest, making it hard to breathe. Those are all hallucinations.

And rest of the sensations like falling, flying, being dragged on rough surface, vibrations, being distorted, rotating on your axis - these are all just signs of your body falling asleep as your mind is observing it.

All of them should be observed passively - don't get excited or try to change them. They are not a goal of WILDing either. But, they can tell you, that you have reached a point, that you normally when falling asleep don't get to observe.

Here is an article about all these Sensations and types of entry into WILD. It's not a complete WILDing tutorial. For that, visit WILD (sageous).

@ThatAintMe - don't worry about not getting vibrations, not everybody gets them, or not every time. They are also not required for a WILD. Instead, you may have the images behind your closed eyelids - my favorite method of entering WILDs. Or, you may start to see your room with eyes closed, or be dragged to a dream. It's not the simplest method, but once you experience your first, it will get easier, because knowledge you get from reading tutorials and from your attempts will click in place and you will "get it'. Happy dreams you all

Lots of useful information in all of these responses. My two cents worth is to visualize a dreamscape. This can be somewhere you would like to be or the last dream you can recall. Why? I will sound like a broken record but here goes: Our big human brain imagines and dreams in the secondary visual cortices (collectively know as cortex). Visualization primes the pump for lucid dreaming.

I recommend just focusing on your dream scene and not your physical body more. This is only your third attempt and it can take some time, especially with a technique like WILD. Keep patient and stay consistent. Maybe getting up at a different time might help you. Good luck!

Thanks for all the feedback guys
I took a break last night, I've been trying to digest a lot of new information (I learned a lot from Sageous' WILD guide, thanks for posting gab ). However, I am going to try again tonight! I will let you all know how it goes! Thanks again ^_^

I've been trying for the last two nights, but no success. I have learned a lot, however, and I feel like tonight is the night! ^^ (though i guess i feel like this every night.)
I don't have any trouble in tricking my body to fall asleep, because i think that the concentration required is something i picked up from meditating.
Every time I have tried, my body experiences the symptoms of falling asleep, but i can never get to the point where it feels as though I am floating or weightless. Does this mean that i am not yet ready to attempt entering a dream?
If being detached from the body is not significant, then i have another problem! D: i find it difficult to 'enter' a dream scenario. Do i imagine myself being there, imagining the senses i would feel, or do i will myself there using some sort of mantra? ('i enter my dream' or something)
sorry for all of the questions, haha. :p i would try to figure these things out by myself (isn't that the best way to learn?) but unfortunately, i only get a few tries a night.

Originally Posted by Berto

Every time I have tried, my body experiences the symptoms of falling asleep, but i can never get to the point where it feels as though I am floating or weightless. Does this mean that i am not yet ready to attempt entering a dream?

i find it difficult to 'enter' a dream scenario. Do i imagine myself being there, imagining the senses i would feel, or do i will myself there using some sort of mantra? ('i enter my dream' or something)

No, not having feeling of wightlessness doesn't mean anything. It's just one of the possible sensations you may/may not get.

The ways of entering lucid dream are described in this article, I have already linked above. (somebody didn't do his homework) I'll be happy to answer any of your questions about that in that link, if you interested.

BTW, that was the point I got stuck on, hence the article.

Ahaaaa, yeah, sorry! I looked at the article and read the first few paragraphs, then past 'types of entry' i just looked at the titles; vibrations, falling/sinking etc. and assumed it was about SP (or not SP but that thing when your body falls asleep).
Lol, I'll read through it again... hehe