New type of sleep paralysis.

[Lancell]

So, I rather begin and explain the type of sleep paralysis I used to have, for about three and a half years now. It began very frightening, I didn't know what it was and why it was happening to me so suddenly, I woke up totally unable to move and one time I woke up in complete terror hearing bird or some sort of raptor/alien sound behind me, one other time I woke up feeling I had strings holding me down in the bed, about 3 times I felt I was being pushed and held down in the bed. Then I had my first lucid dreams (had one second LD before though) one night about 5 months after the first occurrence of SP, and by this time I had more control over my sleep paralysis, could get out of them whenever I wanted (moving my spine with a lot of effort) and I didn't get hit by complete terror or felt like I was being pushed. Then I slowly realized if I stayed in the sleep paralysis long enough I could go into lucid dreams sometimes, witch made me want to stay in the SP much longer, tough I was almost always afraid of the things I heard around me when being in SP, even if I knew the things I heard wasn't real. I also learned how to get into the SP much ''deeper'', and the trick for me was to repeat the same word as fast as I could in my head, other tricks was to think of something I would otherwise never think about being awake, ridiculous stuff you think about in dreams, or sometimes hold the same vocal like ''aaaaaaaaaaaa'', but repeating the same word always worked the best (if it is any interest, I almost always used the word ''ball'' as it felt the easiest to repeat fast in the head). But going deeper into my SP made the chance of hear hallucinations became more frequent, scarier and more clear, and the risk of phantom pain became higher as well. Also before going into a SP was always random and always happened when lying on my back, today I can just realize something in a normal dream or have that certain feeling in a dream that I have in my SP and then directly go into the SP, I can also get into SP by lying on my side now and after moving my body and getting out of the SP, I can get right back into it by lying down again from being complete awake. Tough last week I have been experiencing a new type of SP, that I have to get use to once again. First time, it happened before I went to sleep (right before I was sleeping in fact) and that never really happened to me. I don't have that certain feeling in my head and it doesn't feel like I'm locked in the same way. My face felt like it was some force pushing my face and it felt very real, and at the same time I heard someone laughing in my room (hallucination). I got out of the SP right away as it was all kind of new to me, the hear hallucination felt different now because it wasn't the SP I was used by having. When I lied down again I got right into the SP again with all the same traits, face felt weird and the laughing was louder, it now felt like the character 'Jokers' laugh. I was really afraid I was going to have SP every night not getting the rest I needed. I got out and in of the SP about 4 times, lastly I thought my body was warning me I slept way to long missing work so I looked at my cell phones clock, it was still early and when I lied down again everything was normal again. 3 days later I could not keep awake during the day because I haven't slept for long and I woke about 11 pm. then before going to work I got some sleep during the next day about 6 am (work started 13 pm) So again I got into this new type of SP before I went to sleep and the certain feeling in the head I was used to be having was still gone. This time it felt like my whole body was literally getting crushed being pushed together, the strongest feeling I ever had during any SP. This time I could endure it better and it still felt like I had more control over it, as I got used to the first ''type'' of SP I felt like I could get used to this, even with the crushing feeling. So I stayed in it, but there was not any way getting deeper into it, it was also pretty stable. I experimented with it and some things was just like the other SP, one thing for instance was if I tried to move my limbs it only felt like I was moving them, I wasn't really moving them, and I could open my eyes and other things. First I heard someone snoring above me, then I heard cool music that continued to play for about a minute and then I heard some random stuff. It also felt like I was farting for a long time. So now when I explained what my SP is kind of about and kinda what my new type of SP is, if anyone have some sort of experience with SP and hopefully someone have kind of the same types of SP I have, I would like to know how to get into a lucid dream from this state. As I said I could not get deeper into the SP this time, and try to meditate but during the circumstances was impossible for me. Read up somewhere that focusing on the eye locks sometimes get you into a LD, and that didn't work. And if you don't have the same kind of SP, if you get into LD from SP like I do, what do you guys do to get into a LD from a SP. Because the only reason I endure all the SP is because of LDs, and I have had about 100 SP and 30 of them have led to LDs, and I always have most control from WILDs.

[gab]

Sleep paralysis can happen either before sleep or after sleep. It is still the same SP. It is not part of lucid dreaming. And to get SP is very rare, unless you have an SP disorder. Vibrations, all kinds of sensations are not SP. SP is only if you can't move, no matter what. It can be accompanied with scary hallucinations. SP can happen at the same time as HH and other sensations, but they are not the same phenomenon. http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...mystified.html But, if you think you are in SP, you could try to move your dream body. If that works, you can get up from your bed and be in a lucid dream.

[Lancell]

Ok, I always called it SP, because I actually had a -real- sleep paralysis (waking up, not being able to move, panic) once and this, state, reminds much of it. Also the first few times I could not move at all, even if I tried. So maybe you could help me what it is. Why do I sometimes wake up or just being able to get into this state? Guess I can try and explain it more. So it always have a certain feeling in my head, best way to describe it is that my head is ponding, and everything feels foggy, I hear hallucinations around me, and sometimes even see lights of sorts. I also feel close to sleep that I would otherwise and sometimes I can even ''jump'' into a normal dream, sometimes into a LD and it happens instantly, in the way I explained before. I can also get this certain feeling inside a dream, and then I get into the certain state (being awake, even looking in the room with my eyes), I do not know now what to call, so I guess I call it state for now then. Also as I said I almost always have hallucinations in this, always hearing them, and phantom pain. I read up on Sleep Paralysis Demystified but that didn't bring much help, maybe sleep disorder? I also read up on your post of Sensations and Types of Entry into WILD, this sound a little bit like what I am experiencing. Maybe call it sensation? I guess the problem is that my English isn't perfect (as you can tell) and reading up on advanced stuff it is a bit harder for me. Another thing is that all I have done until now is almost always go from personal experience, I have had absolutely no one to talk about my LD and all other stuff around this, SP sounded like it explained the ''state'' I was experiencing so perfectly so I guess I started calling it just that. Only outside tip I got from another forum was that if you jump outside a window you could fly, and this far I have jumped out 5 windows and fell trough the ground. Also got some tips of doing certain things (like rubbing your hands to stabilize the LD) to maintain control and if you just belive it, the thing you are trying to acheve is going to happen, the time I tried led to this: http://www.dreamviews.com/dream-cont...rol-dream.html One last thing as of why I am afraid of the hallucinations, even if you posted yourself that the hallucination can not hurt you in any way, phantom pain still feel like it hurt (I can't feel the difference). And I do not know how I would react if I ever saw a hallucination in my room, and that is why I mostly keep my eyes closed. Even if opening my real eyes sometimes led to open my dream eyes at the same time (not seeing the room when I should, instead seeing the LD). Still trying to make sense of what I am experiencing, at least so I can discuss it here with more experienced LDers and get help from other people that experience the same kind of thing I do. Right now I kind if need to know what to call the phenomenon I experience, so it's easier to talk about.

[gab]

Let me try. If you truly can't move and you are awake, that is Sleep paralysis. I'm not doubting that you had that. I have had SP twice in my life, both times when I was waking up. I was not WILDing at the time, I never even heard of LDing back then. I also have lots of hallucinations when falling asleep. But those are always when I'm WILDing. Or when I'm waking up from a LD, and then I use these HH to enter another LD right away. But the problem is, that being asleep and aware can make you think that you are awake. So if you are asleep and aware, like when you are entering a LD via WILD, you may think that you are still awake, when you are not. You may think that you have opened your real eyes and you see your real room, when in fact, you can see "through your closed eyelids", which is a hallucination, or HH. It really is hard to tell sometimes what it is that you have experienced. When you are WILDing, and you are already seeing advanced HH, which are dreams that are forming for your to enter, it's possible to be in SP at that time. But by then, I'm normally so deep into falling asleep, or more likely even already asleep, that to be honest, I don't really care if I'm in SP or not. It makes no difference. When I try to enter LD by standing up and I give mental command to my arms or legs to move and if they listen and I stand up, I know I'm in a LD. By then, I'm not feeling my physical body any more, so i don't feel if I'm in SP or not. I know, that my body puts me into SP after I start to dream, so I don't worry about when is that going to happen. What I'm trying to say is, that it's hard to say if it's SP or HH or mix of both. But it shouldn't matter. If we know, that we may experience any type of sensation (auditory, visual or tactile) when we WILD, then we are ready for it. And we can just observe them passively, without getting too excited. And then enter a LD, based on what we experience. If I was to give you my frank opinion, I would say that what you are experiencing are HH that we get before a LD. I either see my room, or some other place, or feel like I'm falling or vibrations, or flying. When all that stops, or sometimes even while it's happening, I try to get up from my sofa, or just simply roll out to the side. Or you can try sitting up. Hope at least some of this helped you. Please do ask more. Happy dreams

[Lancell]

I personally would say that is a kind of mix of SP and HH, I have experienced this now over 100 times (actually tonight too, so the experience is fresh too) and as I feel my self lying is the very spot that I'm in and as I can actually open my eyes I know that I'm in my room, being awake of sorts, even if I know the power of how perfect a LD is to reality to the brain. This night I was in the locked state and I was determined to try and experiment with it more, so I got deeper into it and began to hear crazy hallucinations around me. Someone being behind me trying to stab me, a fly crawling into my ear (and yea, I felt this too), a crowd of people in my room, as if something trying to prevent me to either enter a LD or being in this state. It was kind of hard to enter a LD I saw shapes behind my eyelids but they faded away before taking any real form. Lastly I was in a LD but I could only see black bars right in front of my face and I was holding on to them. Then I noticed I was holding on to a giant ladder, and looking behind it I could actually see more of the environment. Not ever being hurt in a LD unless phantom pain ''followed'' me into a LD I lastly dropped the bars and fell to the ground, in hopes I could experience more then the bars that blocked much of the vision (climbing down would take to much time) Hitting the ground only got me into the state again. When I tried to enter a LD again being in the state for very long, I only entered a normal dream loosing all control. Well this time I could say that I do got more control over it, the hallucinations is always better to deal with if they don't try and interact with me, this time the hallucinations did interact with me all the time and I still managed to keep my calm and not get out of it, I even faced my fear of a giant growling beast in my room, even if I didn't hear it this time, but I probably (I shall wait and see) could deal with that sound and chill that the growl brings. Though I have yet to try and use some of the dream control I learned since I joined, not really had any chance to do that yet, even if this is the 4th LD since I joined here. But all you are saying gab does help a lot, and I appreciate all the time your reading my posts and responding to them, I read up more and more about WILDing in this forum and all the stuff around them, but only some of the things I read I can relate to.

[gab]

Let's say the SP you are having is irrelevant. Let's concentrate on your hallucinations - HH. All that you are experiencing are classic HH that we may/may not get when WILDing. Sounds, images, touches. 1. If you see scary images, I gotta ask, do you start your WILD attempt scared? Thinking about scary things that you had in previous attempts? If yes, that is the likely reason why you are getting them. HH respond to our thoughts, feelings and expectations. Try to have nice and pleasant thoughts. Think of love and how nothing can hurt you or scare you, because they are all good, and you love and accept them all. This had worked for me before in lucid and also in non-lucid dream. I saw something scary but quickly thought "I love you, you are good", and it transformed right before my eyes into something non-treatening. Also, when I WILD, sometimes I get a thought about all the creepy things some people experience. But I quickly dismiss it and think about some nice place I would like to be in my lucid. Or I just repeat my mantra, that pushes all other thoughts out of my head. Here is an example of how thoughts influence our HH: I was WILDing on my sofa, and I heard my cat by my side. I started to worry that she will jump on my and ruin my attempt. Few moments later, this furry little creature, that looked like a squrell, ran through my face and started licking my brain. I saw this creature in my minds eye, I felt the wind it made while running on my face, I felt the little feet and I heard them running on my face. It was totally unexpected and incredibly realistic. But since then I'm even more carefull about what I think while WILDing. 2. We don't alway get the same HH. Sometimes we may even get none. But when we do, based on mine and others experiences, there can by few types of HH and we can enter LD based on what we experience. (If you don't get HH, or you would prefer to enter LD differently, please read this excellent tutorial by sageous. He will explain why we sould not worry about HH at all. WILD) A. Images (Pictures, videos) You may start getting visual clues. Like swirling of black and gray fog behing your closed eyelids. (You have to pay attention to your closed eyelids, otherwise you may not notice them). This may evolve into shapes made out of this same fog. I hear reports of faces, skulls, and other things. Little later on, you may get individual images of different items. I have seen clock, butterfly... These can be on the same unicolor background. Meaning they are just freestanding images. But you can also get flashes of vistas, that cover more of your field of view. I have seen some beautiful trees and places. So far, these are all just images. Later on, you may see some animated action. People walking around, cartoon characters performing... These may evolve into movies, that cover your entire field of view. Whe I get this, I see this videos from birds eye view. I'm flying over them. This is when I know, that what I'm looking at is a fully formed dream and I can enter it. You can find your own way, but this is how I do it. I pick a spot on the ground and I say slowly and deliberatly "I am there". At this moment I feel being whisked into the video. When my feet touch the ground, I can tell that I'm inside of an environment. No longer looking into it, but being surrounded by it. I'm in a lucid dream. B. Images (seeing through eyelids) Often times when I WILD, I realize, that I can see my room around me. But when I do, I don't alway think that it's strange, that my eyes are closed and I'm wilding, and i should not be seeing my room. That's why I started to repeat a mantra "When I see my room, I get up". So when I get to that point, it reminds me what I need to do. You have to have some faith at this point. Because you are most likely 100% sure that you are awake. But have faith and do what you have read so many times about what other people do. Stand up from your bed. Same way, as you would normally. Or, roll out. As if you wanted to roll to your side. When you do, you will realize, that you are inside of it, lucid in a dream. From there, just walk away, or fly away... C. Moving sensations Any type of falling through bed, flying head first at incredible speed, floating up, summersaulting, vibrations... When this happens, you could be already in a dream. Try same thing as above. Stand up or roll out. You do this by giving your legs and body mental commands. Just "think" to get up. If it doesn't work or you feel your "real" body moving, stop and wait a little longer. Sorry if I missed some of your questions. Good luck.