Thread: Why WILD is uncertain method

You might have missed my comment that wbtb, especially a longer one might lead to greater REM rebound, that means that the NREM phase will be shorter.

Other than that, I am not sure what your way of wilding is, but this is how it goes for me. Wbtb, mantras, then decide it's time to sleep. I begin to focus on relaxing. My anchor is mostly my body, I start relaxing my body and generally feel my body, not too harsh of a concentration. I don't think about wilding (but know I want have an ld), just focus on how great and nice it feels to be falling asleep or just to be relaxing. This is especially effective for me, since it deals with all sorts of negative stuff, like "nothing is happening, I can't fall asleep, etc.". After a while there are usually two possibilities - one: if my rem is near and with strong rebound, then I am literally overcome with a super bright strong dream scene that emerges in front of me. Since I have been relaxing, I may or may not feel my body, it may be that what I feel now is my dream body immediately appearing in the dream. That's the perfect case, which I wish could happen more often and to all, but it it doesn't always.

Case two - I am in the darkness and just keep relaxing, i.e. focused on my bodily anchor, so it doesn't matter if the dream is here or not, I'm just waiting for it. After a bit, the scene may begin to build around me so I find myself in the dream. (Stating there are only two cases is a bit of simplification, as all the transitions are kind of unique, sometimes I have used just looking at the darkness as an anchor, other times my breath or even pulse, also see below)

I have to say, my method is much more passive most of the time, but there are variations, where you can try to call the dream. You can try looking in the darkess and start to distinguish that the dots or lines are actually part of objects and then focus on those. You can try visualizing a place or focusing on a feeling of movement, you running, swimming, etc. That way, you can also keep your mind active so you won't lose lucidity and black out.

Originally Posted by NyxCC

especially a longer one might lead to greater REM rebound, that means that the NREM phase will be shorter.

I did numerous attempts with lenght of wbtb and I agree as you say Nyx, it is possible that longer wbtb = shorter REM barrier. 2 hours wbtb is effective for me and yeah it may be thanks to REM rebound... I need to try and measure this.

I am not sure what your way of wilding is

My wilds are usually the same. While I'm falling asleep, third eye's imagination spontaneously appears and tries to steal my awareness. I try to stay aware - try to hold thought on my mind: this is just my imagination. If the REM is close with no barriers, it just hit and the imagination become dream and I'm in it with my thought that it's not real = I'm dreaming.

My anchor is mostly my body

I don't understand, please explain this...

if my rem is near and with strong rebound, then I am literally overcome with a super bright strong dream scene that emerges in front of me.

This is what I've tried to explain in OP picture.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

I assume it's just a matter of patience and practice and trying a lot. Or maybe I'm making too much out of the discontinuities and everybody experiences them in "full WILD?" I'm assuming my "awake awareness" is just too strong and I haven't found the balance yet.

Or it's a matter of REM barriers!