WILD Shortcut

**DreamLord1** · 04-07-2015 08:03 PM

Knowing of just how steep the learning curve can be for WILD, and also knowing that it takes multiple attempts to really master it; i have decided that I will try sleep deprivation for 2 days to give me an ENORMOUS REM rebound. My idea is that during this rebound period, i will have the proper conditions for many WILD attempts, one after the other. Before anybody warns me about possible side effects, I once did a full week of sleep dep for a science project, so i know what i'm doing. The point of this thread is 2-fold:
1) Will somebody else try it to see if it is a viable "boost" for the learning curve, and
2) Would this work as intended?

Any responses will be appreciated.

**gab** · 04-07-2015 08:15 PM

After such a long sleep deprivation it may not give you a rebound at all, but you just may fall into deep sleep without even regular dreams, till your body feel compensated enough and gets back to regular sleep cycles.

Why not do a nap? That's when you ger a REM almost immediatelly.

Oh, and, there are no shortcuts.

**DreamLord1** · 04-07-2015 08:28 PM

Even with the 1 week long experiment, i had about 5 hours or so of continuous dreaming at the end of a LOOOOOONG sleep, so i'm pretty confident that this will work. The reason i'm not trying a nap, is because I've already have, and no matter when i try it, how i try it, i cannot fall asleep. So this is pretty much my last chance. By "shortcut", i mean this: After the initial deep sleep upon the end of the SD, there will be a nice REM rebound. Because of the earlier deep sleep, my mind will be "refreshed" enough to actually have a chance at WILDing. Because of this, conditionswill be good for multiple rapid-fire WILD attempts, and as we've all heard, practice makes perfect.

**Kaan** · 04-07-2015 10:16 PM

Gab is right + killing your sleep pattern so hardly, and playing with you health just for having Rem Rebound for WILD purpose is crazy.
It doesn't worth it.
For Rem Rebound you can take some soft stuffs like 5-htp or just try long WBTB (like 90 min ones).
The first sleep your body will try to have will be the deep sleep.
you're just playing with you immune system bro.

**DreamLord1** · 04-07-2015 10:35 PM

I'll try the 1 1/2 WBTB. just kind of frustrating to have tried so many different things only to come up short.

**gab** · 04-08-2015 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by DreamLord1

Even with the 1 week long experiment, i had about 5 hours or so of continuous dreaming at the end of a LOOOOOONG sleep,

Yes, of course. The longer you sleep, the longer your REM becomes. And on top of that, when falling asleep after long prior sleep and WBTB, your REM is very close to falling asleep time and you don't have to go through long NREM to get to the REM. And this happens during NORMAL sleep. No need to sleep deprive yourself.

We have tons of threads about this with some good information about NREM and REM cycles.

I don't think you can have "multiple rapid-fire WILD attempts", since every WILD requires a WBTB. There is a reason behind it.

I really recommend this thread, as it will most likely answer all your questions WILD

**Kaan** · 04-08-2015 10:40 AM

Dreamlord : I guess I am engaged in the same quest as yours : lean to WILD.
I am trying different approaches to find what could work the best for me, and especially what is the protocol that I could use to be successful at WILD virtually at will (at least when I try it).
So I try different things (not all at the same time) : Rem-Dreamer, Gymboss MiniMAX Vibrating Alarm, Supplements (Galantamine, choline, alpha GPC, 5-htp), WBTB, Raduga's technique (at least sort of).
It's a long quest, with success and failures, I'm sure you will find you own way to reach you goals.