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      How to increase the effectiveness of WILD with one simple trick

      Hello, I don't know how many of you here are trained in NLP or are aware how much language affects and guides, or misguides, our subconscious minds, but I would like to point out that the word WILD, which might be an acronym for Wake Induced Lucid Dreams, has synonyms such as uncontrolled, unruly, untamed, which is some kind of a paradox since we're talking about a technique that focuses on Controlling a state of mind, don't you think?

      Consider the guy who has no clue about Lucid Dreaming, hasn't put much effort in it but he's willing to, and he's now looking at its core techniques. He finds one called WILD. Instantly, in his subconscious mind, because of the word, which is basically a convenient acronym that sounds cool and something that can easily be replaced, the technique is perceived as something hard, something that needs effort, something that needs to be tamed, right? Think about it.

      Now, why don't we just change that by reversing that W and turn it into an M. How's MILD sound for a rename? I know some people might find this suggestion a little radical, but why don't you just STOP and Consider what I'm actually suggesting?

      Mind Induced Lucid Dreams, where Mind usually refers to the conscious mind, which makes sense, since WILD--or rather, MILD is a conscious process. Also, I don't know about you, guys, but I prefer, when attempting to do something new, especially something that alters my state of mind completely, to just go slowly at it. If it's a new experience I'd rather perceive it as something mild (gentle in nature or behavior) rather than wild (uncontrolled, unruly, untamed), so I don't have to worry about all kinds of alerts the latter brings.

      Or allow me to have you Think it this way:

      If someone told you about a lake that gave you a totally new experience once you've got in, for example, would you be more willing and relaxed to just sink into it if he told you about its WILD waters or about its MILD waters? Which word brings snakes and crocodiles and all that other shit in that lake?

      Anyway, just a suggestion. I'm really looking forward to your opinions, especially from experienced members who usually don't like radical changes that much.
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      I imagine there would be much confusion if WILD was dubbed became MILD. Even if all of the lucid dreaming media was edited minimize the confusion, there would be the issue in conversation of whether MILD was referring to Mnemonic Induced Lucid Dream or Mind Induced Lucid Dream. To minimize this confusion, then the name and acronym of Mnemonic Induced Lucid Dream would have to be changed and edited out of all lucid dreaming media. Even if this was accomplished, there would still be confusion over what differentiates a Mind Induced Lucid Dream from a Dream Induced Lucid Dream. After all, according to Google, "mind" is defined as "the element of a person that enables them to be aware of the world and their experiences, to think, and to feel; the faculty of consciousness and thought". According to this definition, the mind is what allows the person to experience all dreams. Therefore, it could be argued that dream induced lucid dreams and mind induced lucid dreams are the same thing. That would leave us with only one method of lucid dreaming: "mind induced lucid dreaming." If there was only one method of lucid dreaming, there is no need to give the method a name because there would be no need to differentiate it from anything else.

      I believe the descriptions of WILD that deter people from trying it go beyond the acronym. Many WILD guides say the dreamer has a good chance of experiencing hallucinations or sleep paralysis. Descriptions of sleep paralysis often make it out to be a scary experience. A Google image search of sleep paralysis shows how it is often perceived by people: https://www.google.com/search?q=slee...&bih=805#spf=1 So, if we were to change the peoples perception of WILD being scary, we would have to change how it they associate WILD with sleep paralysis or how they perceive sleep paralysis. I believe these perceptions deter people from trying WILD more than the acronym.

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      I was not aware that there was already a MILD acronym but I was aware that I used the word mind loosely. Of course, changing the acronym of WILD can be a little bothersome, but even before the whole "sleep paralysis" factor and stuff, the name is off-putting on its own, and that's what I'm trying to point out here. In my personal opinion a word like wild should be nowhere near altered-states-of-consciousness stuff. Shouldn't we be trying to Ease the people in, instead of giving them heads-up?
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      I agree that the WILD acronym is not psychologically ideal for beginners and that they should be eased in to lucid dreaming. The acronym WILD is optional to use. The same thing could also be referred to as a Wake-Initiated Lucid Dream.

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      I think we're missing the forest for the tree here

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      Honestly, I don't think the world "Wild" is what is stopping people from achieving LDs, even if you go to other languages, where people use different words to define lucid dreams, WILD is still achieved with the same consistency. Then of course you have people like me, if it wasn't called WILD, I don't know if I would have been as intrigued. In fact, most people that enjoy lifetime of LDs and work hard on them for years are usually people that enjoy the unknown, wild, untamed, uncontrolled, etc. Taming the dream actually seems to me to be a very accurate description.
      I would recommend reading more about Lucid Dreaming before making changes. MILD is the most common technique in which people achieve lucid dreams. Mnemonic induced lucid dreams. WILD and DILD are the only two methods possible to achieve a lucid dream, either through a direct transition from waking or realizing that it is a dream during the dream (respectively WILD and DILD). MILD is mainly used to achieve DILDs, this way includes things like mantras, meditation, Reality Checks, and autosuggestion.

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      Consciously Initiated Lucid Dream -> CILD

      or rather

      Consciously Hypnotically Initiated Lucid Dream -> CHILD

      I like that, Children do dream better than adults anyway.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
      Honestly, I don't think the world "Wild" is what is stopping people from achieving LDs, even if you go to other languages, where people use different words to define lucid dreams, WILD is still achieved with the same consistency. Then of course you have people like me, if it wasn't called WILD, I don't know if I would have been as intrigued. In fact, most people that enjoy lifetime of LDs and work hard on them for years are usually people that enjoy the unknown, wild, untamed, uncontrolled, etc. Taming the dream actually seems to me to be a very accurate description.
      I would recommend reading more about Lucid Dreaming before making changes. MILD is the most common technique in which people achieve lucid dreams. Mnemonic induced lucid dreams. WILD and DILD are the only two methods possible to achieve a lucid dream, either through a direct transition from waking or realizing that it is a dream during the dream (respectively WILD and DILD). MILD is mainly used to achieve DILDs, this way includes things like mantras, meditation, Reality Checks, and autosuggestion.

      I don't disagree with what you're saying. But if it bothered me so much I had to raise an issue, there might be others like me. I'm just pointing out the power of language for current and for future methods and its affect on progress. That's all, basically.

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      Quote Originally Posted by UndefaulteD View Post
      I don't disagree with what you're saying. But if it bothered me so much I had to raise an issue, there might be others like me. I'm just pointing out the power of language for current and for future methods and its affect on progress. That's all, basically.
      I think that you are letting words effect you more than they need to. Part of lucid dreaming is about taking control of your mind, not just letting things effect you because some word is associated with it. I would actually say that the way to lucid dream is to overcome barriers like this one, and this is why it is easier to lucid dream the younger you are, since you have set up less barriers when young. Though for me, this doesn't seem to be a barrier.

      Also, it is impossible to please all the people with names and ideas, especially if words can effect some of them so heavily. A word like MILD could just as easily make someone think that something is boring. Instead of just judging it by the word, or taking the unconscious word that comes when seeing an acronym, I like to research and change my mind based on what I want it to be.
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      I think this was interesting to bring up, but I'm more prepared to agree with Sensei on this one. Something to think about is how the brain forms new associations as it gains experience. Sure, at first it may cause an unconscious association with "wild" in the sense you're speaking of, but as the dreamer gains experience that association is going to change. Not to mention it isn't easy to see how the acronym might be affecting people's perceptions without some kind of experiment. While wild can be perceived in a more negative or neutral light to mean unruly or uncontrolled, it can equally be perceived in a positive light to mean fun or exciting. Without some hard data it's easy to claim people will interpret the acronym in either of these ways, and for all the difference it makes, two people claiming the opposite idea would be equally correct (or incorrect, depending on your view).

      What we do know from experience already is that WILD is a technique that requires lots of practice to become reliably successful at, and truthfully there is no real way to tell if the fact it's called WILD plays any significant role in that. Thoughtfully considering what's involved in achieving success using that method, though, it only seems natural that it be more difficult to master. However, at least when it's come to my own experience, I can say that I've achieved many more WILD/DEILDs (Dream-Exit Lucid Dream is a WILD performed during specific circumstances, so it can be considered a sub-form of it) than I have MILDs... possibly even more than I have DILDs (not sure about this one, might have a few more DILDs). At least when it comes to me, your idea of how my unconscious associations should affect my success rate predicts exactly the opposite of what I've experienced.
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