Thread: **CrazyInSane's WILD tutorial!!**

Originally Posted by CrazyInSane

As I outline in the original post, CANWILD is basically a more direct and guaranteed way of WILDing through DEILD-induced means (though I shouldn't say "DEILD-induced" specifically, it's more like "REM exit-induced"

Dream exit induced lucid dream induced lucid dream?

Originally Posted by ethen

Hey, good news. I found an alarm that will work on any cell phone that has Java, and you can control how long it goes off (even down to a single beep!). Plus it's completely free. Click here to get to the website. From there, click "free download", then you can select the specific model of cell phone you have, or you can select "Generic-AnyPhone" if you do not find your specific phone or if you do not know what your model number is.

Plus, it has a built in function to where it will randomly do reality check reminders for you!

Damn, something is messed up with this on my Sony Ericsson. The sound (even at the max setting from the Lucidweaver program) is completely inaudible, I have to put my ear right up to it to even faintly hear it.

Originally Posted by hardc0re

This sucks, because I was so excited to try out this method.

Just try again tonight. I've had nothing but problems, too. I mean, there's been a different problem every night, so I am slowly making progress, but it is frustrating.

Last night, for example, I woke up and tried to get the ball rolling, but I just kept itching. Mind you, I know that the body tries to see if you're awake by sending random itches to you, but this was ridiculous. Once I moved and started scratching myself, the itches just kept coming. It was driving me crazy!

Hopefully tonight will be more lucky.

I was unable to find a free ipod alarm app with an auto stop function, so I made something that does the pretty much the same thing. I used this app in combination with some mp3s I made.
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/alarm...336262308?mt=8

It allows you to select a song to play as an alarm, so I made a set of mp3s. I realized that each person is different so I made a few different kinds of alarms. The mp3 is just a tone for either 3, 5, or 10 seconds followed by a long silence( this is because if there was no silence, the alarm would just loop the tone non stop, so this long silence allows you enough time to ld, wake up, and then turn off the alarm). I also realized that peoples ipods may be a bit short on space so I made the silence either 1 hour or 30 minutes.

I uploaded the set of alarms here if anyone wants them. Because they are mainly silence, they have amazing zip compression (247 MB to 1.34 MB)

http://www.multiupload.com/0R6FX6NHDQ

I've been trying for three nights to no avail ; I slip right back into sleep after the alarm. But then I'm sick and under heavy medication at the moment, so that may influence the way I sleep. I'll keep trying anyway.

This alarm thing works for me everytime. Try to set it louder if it doesnt wake you up. Last night i tried to get into a dream as soon as laid down and relaxed. After i couldnt feel my body anymore from not moving and focusing on my dreaming, here came the part that feels like you are floating. i thought to myself "awesome", but immediately remembered what happened last time i got too excited and went back to focusing on my breathing and telling myself i would know that i am dreaming. I wanted my dream to begin with me laying in my bed, so i kept imagining myself floating into the dream world, and it happened as i open my eyes but i think i opened them too soon and it faded away. I was so close. I tried a WBTB and i couldnt get it to work i even smoked some weed when i wokeup, oh and also befoe i went to bed, it helps me relax ten fold.

Originally Posted by hardc0re

How would I try it again?
Go backwards on the hours until it shows the am time, as opposed to pm?


I just tried it with 11:50.
At first it said 23:50,
So I went back on the hours, until I got to 11 again, and I pressed set alarm and this time it set it to the correct time.

This sucks, because I was so excited to try out this method.

Yes, you had it. It works chronologically. Let's say it is now 12:00 AM (midnight). When you open the software, it will always display the current time as the default alarm (in this case 12:00:00). Highlight the "12" and move the dial UPWARD until the desired time, for example 4:00. This will make the alarm ring at 4:00 AM, not 16:00 (4:00 PM). If you dial DOWNWARD, you'll get the opposite effect. Like I said though, you can always confirm whether the clock is set to ring at 4 AM or 4 PM by looking to see whether it says "Alarm is set for 4:00" or "Alarm is set for 16:00" after you've set the alarm.

Originally Posted by TurtleLG

Dream exit induced lucid dream induced lucid dream?

I should have put "DE-induced" instead of "DEILD-induced", my mistake.

Originally Posted by TurtleLG

Are you supposed to awake in sleep paralysis? Or is it just a state where SP is very easy to enter?

Because the three times I have tried this, I wake up not in SP and lay still waiting for it...which doesn't come. I think I might move my eyes however =/.

You will usually already be in SP. If you are outside of SP, however, it will be easy to re-enter (usually seconds to minutes). Moving your eyes shouldn't matter, as they're moving constantly in REM sleep. Opening them, however, does matter.

How long after you initially go to sleep are you setting the alarm for? Try experimenting with the wake up time, and try setting the alarm 3 or 4 different times at roughly 30-60 minute invervals to increase your chances. (i.e. 5:30, 6:00, 6:30, etc.). Everyone is different, my guidelines for when you should be in REM sleep and thus setting the alarm are just average guidelines.

First off, Thank you very much CrazyInSane for this very clear tutorial. I think what you have stumbled onto here is something very brilliant. I tried it last night, I have a mac and used apimac timer. (one of the people on this thread posted the link to it) Instead of the purr sound I used the submarine sound instead. This sound (to me) sounds a bit trippy and dream ish. I put my alarm for 6 hours and 30 min after I went to sleep, problem was like most other people here... I was too exited about your method, and I was already moving around and awake before my alarm went off. However I really think you are onto something here. Going to keep at it, because even if I don't induce a lucid dream... this method IS GREAT TO HELP DREAM RECALL! since you don't have to move to turn off your alarm clock I can really think about my dream and remember it much clearer.
thanks CrazyInSane!

Ok, I had two LDs last night: A DILD and then a DEILD.

Basically, I woke up from the alarm and spent about 30 minutes trying to WILD, but it just wasn't happening. I'm starting to think my REM cycles are later than average, so I'm gonna set my alarm for a later time tonight. Anyway, I gave up on WILDing, so I rolled over, looked at the time, and tried to fall asleep. Then I had a dream which started moving in slow motion, so I knew I was dreaming. It was great.

Then, after a while, I lost some control and woke up. I then immediately DEILDed (I think--never done it before). That was weird because the dream appeared as an infomercial for some kind of child medication, then, suddenly, my hands were there holding the medication, and I was in the dream. That one was short, though.

So, while I can't say specifically that I WILDed from this method, I think it definitely helped keep LDing on my mind, and it helped with dream recall.

Does it matter if you have 2 alarms? like the first goes off after 7 hours of sleep, then the second after 7 and 45 mins. That way you get 2 chances. Or will this somehow make things worse? what you reckon?

I'm very, very new to this and I've found your tutorial extremely helpful, but I have a quick question-Can you explain the part where you talked about doing the "rolling" technique and the other stuff that you mentioned for whenever you are trying to go back into the dream?

Wow, that technique is amazing!! I finally managed to have a WILD or whatever! I have some advice to give since it wasn't my first try at this technique, but it is by far the easiest and the fastest, during my previous attemp I was always falling asleep right after the alarm and sometimes the alarm wasn't waking me up. So what I did yesterday, right before going to sleep I told myself that when I'll hear the alarm I will become fully aware and will wake my mind as much as I can. I said that a multiples times and when the alarm went off this morning I immediatly knew what to do. I focused to stay awake and I started to tell me another mantra "1. I'll be Lucid dreaming soon"..."2. I'll be lucid dreaming soon" when I reached 10 I started to feel the SP which was kind of scary but I knew it was only some HH, after everything was done I got up and BOOM that was my most Vivid/Lucid/long LD ever!! This technique is pretty easy but you still need some preparation to succeed at it so be aware!!

Thanks CrazyInsane :3

Originally Posted by EmilyM

I'm very, very new to this and I've found your tutorial extremely helpful, but I have a quick question-Can you explain the part where you talked about doing the "rolling" technique and the other stuff that you mentioned for whenever you are trying to go back into the dream?

I think that the rolling part means that when you have been in Sleep paralysis for a while and you are uncertain over whether you are awake or asleep and you get out of your body into a dream.

Just like physically sitting up in bed or rolling over but you find yourself in a dream, but I'm not exactly sure on when to do this, maybe just around after very vivid HI kicks in.

Originally Posted by The Dreaming Zombie

I think that the rolling part means that when you have been in Sleep paralysis for a while and you are uncertain over whether you are awake or asleep and you get out of your body into a dream.

Just like physically sitting up in bed or rolling over but you find yourself in a dream, but I'm not exactly sure on when to do this, maybe just around after very vivid HI kicks in.

Right after you had the HH and the sound in your ear switched to mind hearing, you can roll over and found yourself into a dream, BUT don't let yourself trick by the realism of your environment, do some RC to make sure you're dreaming.

Okay, well I did do the rolling part and I think for the most part it worked. I was tricked at first, but then I noticed someone who shouldn't have been there and immediately realized that I was dreaming. It was short, and one of my first ones, but successful! :]

I'm loving this technique, achieved a very short WILD with it last night

I'm not going to include 1 minute lucid dreams in my sig though
haha.

@CrazyInsane; I did the exact same thing Sora did regarding the mantra before I slept. I listened to the sound over and over again, telling myself I would become completely aware when I heard it, and would lie still.

You should include using the mantra as part of your original tutorial!

evildoctor,
what is your experience with the sleep sonic pillow and binaural beats? wouldn't you rather use isochronic if you're not using headphones?
thanks,
beachgirl

Originally Posted by Sora

Wow, that technique is amazing!! I finally managed to have a WILD or whatever! I have some advice to give since it wasn't my first try at this technique, but it is by far the easiest and the fastest, during my previous attemp I was always falling asleep right after the alarm and sometimes the alarm wasn't waking me up. So what I did yesterday, right before going to sleep I told myself that when I'll hear the alarm I will become fully aware and will wake my mind as much as I can. I said that a multiples times and when the alarm went off this morning I immediatly knew what to do. I focused to stay awake and I started to tell me another mantra "1. I'll be Lucid dreaming soon"..."2. I'll be lucid dreaming soon" when I reached 10 I started to feel the SP which was kind of scary but I knew it was only some HH, after everything was done I got up and BOOM that was my most Vivid/Lucid/long LD ever!! This technique is pretty easy but you still need some preparation to succeed at it so be aware!!

Thanks CrazyInsane :3

Excellent!! So happy to hear about your success with this method. I read your dream journal, thanks for the link to my tech!

Originally Posted by Starmonger

Does it matter if you have 2 alarms? like the first goes off after 7 hours of sleep, then the second after 7 and 45 mins. That way you get 2 chances. Or will this somehow make things worse? what you reckon?

I was going to add something about this in the original post, but unfortunately I am no longer able to edit the post, the option is grayed out. Indeed, it is definitely helpful to have the alarm go off more than once. The more times it goes off, the better chance you have of succeeding. It should also help with your dream recall and help you have more DILDs. Thanks for bringing this up.

Originally Posted by DpsBob

@CrazyInsane; I did the exact same thing Sora did regarding the mantra before I slept. I listened to the sound over and over again, telling myself I would become completely aware when I heard it, and would lie still.

You should include using the mantra as part of your original tutorial!

Indeed, I wish I could, I'm still trying to get a response from an administrator about reinstating the ability for me to edit the original post. As soon as I get that option (if that ever happens), I'll be sure to add this and all other tips and recommendations that have been mentioned.

Originally Posted by EmilyM

I'm very, very new to this and I've found your tutorial extremely helpful, but I have a quick question-Can you explain the part where you talked about doing the "rolling" technique and the other stuff that you mentioned for whenever you are trying to go back into the dream?

When you transition to the sleep state, you will automatically realize that something is different. You should feel the "ability" to roll over or move out of your bed using your "dream body". If you never get that feeling, it may be that you have not entered the sleep state and are not progressing. When you enter the sleep state, you should feel "buzzing" sensations and other odd phenomena. When trying to incubate a dream, you can also try visualization, which is where you try to imagine a dream, and you should eventually become enveloped by a dream scene and be able to "join" or "become part" of the scene. Good luck!

This is sort of the way I used to do it. Except what I did was I made an mp3 file with about 5 hours of silence, then a loud noise for about 2 or 3 seconds. All I did was let it run on my laptop next to me and go to sleep. Except I would just call it "an easier way to wake up for DEILD", lol.

But, this is a very well put together tutorial, and I know the technique is very effective. Although, I could never be bothered messing about with my stupid mp3 file, it would sometimes crash or something. But that software you have provided would do just the trick. So thanks a lot.

When the alarm went off, I didn't move at all. So that worked lol. But my heart started racing really fast because I was really excited. Is there any way to keep this from happening? Anyways, I think the alarm helped because the next dream I had was a lucid.

That happens to me sometimes, too. The more you do it, the more you'll get used to it, and the less you'll freak out when you wake up. Just keep at it.

So what are you guys views on setting 2 or even 3 alarms instead of just the one?

redundancy in the system ensures a better chance of success should the first alarm (or two) fail to produce results, and you fall back to sleep.

When the alarm wakes you up do you keep your eyes closed. im sure you do but i want to make sure that its essential. Is it also okay if your alarm goes off a couples times every 5 minutes three times? or would that just wake me up?