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      I was wondering the same thing Metallicuh. The only WILD I did happened that when I was trying, I failed as usual. I the gave up, turned over and decided to go to sleep. Then I heard and saw some HH and thought," OH crap! I did it!" I remember just kind of normally falling asleep and becoming aware again when i heard a loud rumble in my ears. I might have gotten lucky, but this guide is the closest thing to my experience.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Metallicuh View Post
      Mzzck when you said the first thing to do for a wild is to fall asleep, did you mean like fall asleep and do a wbtb?
      Or did you mean just fall asleep and then regain consciousness?
      You can't WILD without falling asleep. That's pretty much all I said. Try not to separate falling asleep and retaining consciousness when you think about WILDing, as both of these things must be done simultaneously. For a successful WILD, one must occur in conjunction with the other. . .

      It's like breathing correctly while you run. It doesn't matter how much oxygen you intake before you run, if you don't breathe properly when you're running, you're going to fail pretty hard and end up wasting your time.

      I hope that makes sense, because I can see you're having trouble grasping the basics of this idea. This isn't a step by step guide to WILDing like a lot of the others you see. If anything, it's a step by step guide to understanding how WILDing works, which isn't an entirely linear process, as it turns out.

      And just to be sure I've covered all the bases, and since you mentioned WBTB, WILDs have their best chances of success during WBTBs and naps (IE when you're already close to REM). However, WILD can be done at any time, it's just not in your best interest to do so.
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      To follow along with your example, how exactly should I "breathe correctly" while running(falling asleep). I actually tried this last night, and felt some SP but never got past that. I felt like I had fallen asleep but woke up in a shock at some kind of HI or nightmare with no conscious thought. I am gonna try this again right now, so thanks, will post my results.

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      I've noticed a lot of people are overcomplicating what's said in the OP, from what I understand the whole point of a WILD is to go to sleep while remaining passive aware. I think that's where people get confused is that you don't remain in a fully wakeful state, (ie someone laying stuff as a board with their eyes shut) this is where experienced people in WILD fail to communicate well with novices.

      For me when I'm about to WILD it feels as if I'm drifting off into sleep like normal, and I let my brain process abstract thoughts or scenarios while passively observing things. Eventually I feel a big jerk of consciousness similar to the feeling of suddenly being woke up. (ever dose off while leaning on your arm and it slips causing your mind to jerk back into awareness?) it's sort of like that but you of course don't want to move or pay much attention to the feeling, just relax and proceed to falling asleep while passively remaining aware using an anchor.
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      i'm with Bredirish on this one, whenever I have successfully WILD'ed, is when I just let my mind wander aimlessly thinking about every random thought that may pop up into my mind, I get to a point where I'm almost asleep but still have a tiny bit of awareness, and its like one of my thoughts becomes real in my head and I hear everything with my ears (HH) and it brings me back to almost full awareness and then I patiently wait for the SP vibrations to hit, which they do seconds later.
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      Quote Originally Posted by lawilahd View Post
      i'm with Bredirish on this one, whenever I have successfully WILD'ed, is when I just let my mind wander aimlessly thinking about every random thought that may pop up into my mind, I get to a point where I'm almost asleep but still have a tiny bit of awareness, and its like one of my thoughts becomes real in my head and I hear everything with my ears (HH) and it brings me back to almost full awareness and then I patiently wait for the SP vibrations to hit, which they do seconds later.
      This is exactly what makes a successful WILD. Like I've stated in a few other threads if you just catch yourself on the brim of sleep most of the hard relaxation work will be done and often times without any sign SP will have set in. Too many guides imply that you have to forcefully relax your mind and body, but that's the issue is that you can't just force relaxation unless you have amazing self-control. So what I've found to be better is just training to keep one's conscious hanging on by a thin thread, it makes things much easier. The trouble being is it's also very easy to fall asleep, but I've also had successful MILDs this way too. It's honestly a win-win.

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      So let's say I take an hour.. I'll just write it like this
      60:00 nap
      15:00 stay awake
      ??? fall asleep on back with the intention of WILD in back of mind but just try to fall asleep
      And then what? I'm kinda confused about this

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      I have a question. I normally sleep on my front, with my head tilted to my side and my hand position varying. Can you WILD in this position? I read somewhere you should sleep on your back for a WILD to work. Is it true? I hate it when I try to sleep on my back, I find it very uncomfortable...

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      Quote Originally Posted by bb316 View Post
      To follow along with your example, how exactly should I "breathe correctly" while running(falling asleep). I actually tried this last night, and felt some SP but never got past that. I felt like I had fallen asleep but woke up in a shock at some kind of HI or nightmare with no conscious thought. I am gonna try this again right now, so thanks, will post my results.
      Like Bredirish said, it's simply a matter of maintaining passive awareness.

      Quote Originally Posted by n00bf0rlyf3 View Post
      So let's say I take an hour.. I'll just write it like this
      60:00 nap
      15:00 stay awake
      ??? fall asleep on back with the intention of WILD in back of mind but just try to fall asleep
      And then what? I'm kinda confused about this
      Then you WILD. The process of falling asleep is as natural as it gets. The only thing you're doing differently is keeping up a bit of awareness.

      Quote Originally Posted by SarcasticIndeed View Post
      I have a question. I normally sleep on my front, with my head tilted to my side and my hand position varying. Can you WILD in this position? I read somewhere you should sleep on your back for a WILD to work. Is it true? I hate it when I try to sleep on my back, I find it very uncomfortable...
      Then don't sleep on your back.

      You can WILD in any position. The only reason that whole shtick is going around is due to a study that found people are somewhat more likely to experience SP while lying on their back. Keep in mind, this is the sort of SP caused by conscious experience of the effects of REM atonia. There's a huge difference between that and the kind of "SP" you get during WILDs, which occurs every single time you fall asleep (no matter the position) to some degree or another.

      Then there's the fact that you shouldn't even be bothering with trying to achieve SP when you're end goal is a WILD. Falling asleep is what is important, not SP.
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      You just melted my face and blew my mind ...I need to lie down because I think I could potentially WILD tonight
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      Lol.

      Sorry about your head.

      But. . . I don't think my insurance covers inexplicably liquefying someone's visage and detonating their grey-matter with a few thousand bits of electronic text. Are you good for the medical expenses or am I gonna have to pay out of pocket for this one?

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      Get me a lucid dream and I'll consider not suing for your awesomeness lol

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      It's a deal, then. =P

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      So I had an ever so close WILD attempt last night and accidentally had a dream where I went through sleep paralysis lol seems like I should try sleep paralysis to induce a WILD instead lol

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      I've only had one "real and true" WILD. As Mzzkc suggested - I had to actually fall asleep for it to happen. Personally I've almost given up on WILD as I've had some success in other avenues, but I really did nail it once! It's obvious that Mzzkc is adept at writing, and so am I. One thing I've noticed for myself is that individual words often have very strong impact with me. The word that brought me the WILD was "submerge." Yet, saying that, that wasn't exactly the word I used at the time. Weird? Yes it is. I used a word that mean "submerge" but also meant "drill down" and "deeper." Having studied my own experiences in the dreamworld, I have long been aware of "secret" words and languages that my mind makes up (or discovers?). In any event, the word occurred to me at the cusp of dreaming and I rode the word down into a vibrant and vivid lucid dream. I was able to use the word several times that night, but repeat uses rendered only limited successes. By the morning I had lost the word entirely.

      Yes, I'm sure my brain merely invented the word, but has anyone else experienced this? I'm new to forums about lucid dreaming, but I'm not new to lucid dreaming. I came here for the same reason as many: I've had success, but I've hit a brick wall and cannot cross the barrier which I know exists. For me, WILDs merely create frustration and sleepless nights. But I'm also aware that this is a weakness and shortcoming on my part. My brain simply does not like to "turn off," and once it does... it's too quick to turn back on. This is my dilemma.

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      This is great. Knowing that "often talking about lucid dreaming will initiate a lucid dream," I tried some WILD after posting this. As I mentioned in my previous post - WILD is not my strong point, but I figured I'd give it a try seeing how I posted about it. Last night I became lucid during a dream. It was short and somewhat disappointing. I tried to "close my eyes" and change the scenario, but I just woke up instead. I went right back to sleep. I had no more lucidity, but at at 4:00am I woke after having a vivid dream where I had excellent dream recall. One thing that stuck out the most was a "mantle" that a character was wearing. I focused on that mantle and drifted off immediately into a dream. I woke with a start, but knew the "mantle" image had sparked such an immediate return to the dreamstate. So, I prepared a "word" to use and try my WILD. I thought about the mantle, then realized I couldn't remember the word. Again, immediate return to dreamland - but immediately waking up trying to grasp control. This time I came up with an easier power word. I pictured the "mantle" from my previous dream and began chanting in my mind "I'm dreaming, I'm dreaming, I'm dreaming..." IT WORKED! I dozed and fell immediately into a lucid dream, having never lost consciousness. This lucid dream lasted much longer then the previous "accidental" one from earlier that night. I made no effort to fight so I could stay as long as possible. Wow. I initiated a WILD simply by reading this thread and posting on it. I'm convinced this is the case. As I stated before: I stink at WILD and have a HUGE LONG list of frustration and failure. HERE'S TO DREAM DIARIES AND FORUM POSTING!

      I'm going to work more on "power words" and see if it increases my success.
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      To keep yourself councoius, can you listen to the small sound thats inside of your head when its completely quite?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Zelzahim View Post
      To keep yourself councoius, can you listen to the small sound thats inside of your head when its completely quite?
      Pretty sure that's Tinnitus, and most people don't experience it, but, yeah, you could.

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      Thanks a lot, this will help me.
      I've attempted to WILD four times, the first time I felt like I was on a boat and I was rocking back and fourth, and had a slight feeling of lightness and numbness. My heart rate sped up really fast at a couple points and it was not because I was excited, I was simply lying there. I gave up after I got bored. Stupid, I know. Then, the next three times I felt nothing and gave up within half an hour. Last night, I attempted it and failed because of a reason I'm unsure of. I just turned to my side and fell asleep.

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      I dont think so, ive heard alot of people telling about that. its almost not noticable even when its quite, but its like a very light breeze. Its hard to explain, but when i listen to it, its like it becomes louder, until it snaps and it feels like im in a big room with the sound coming from the walls, echoing slightly in the room. I seriously have no idea what this is :O
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      Yep. Sounds like Tinnitus.

      Tinnitus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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      Well, thats wierd :O Whatever, might aswell use it!
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      Okay, hi, I've been trying to lucid dream for ages using WILD but after a while I gave up. 'A while' being over a year. But for some reason I started getting into it again and I happened to find this. Today I took a nap and used your tips and it totally worked! It was a really short dream, and I lost control like half-way through it, but it was my first LD! I'm seriously really excited right now! Before I think I was concentrating wayyy too much on being aware, and I stressed out about not moving or swallowing. Thanks so much!
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      Hi! this quide is great! im in a similar boat to you, drawn to WILD ages ago and attempting it before bed and had almost no results but after reading this a week or so ago ive been having much better attempts (still before bed, my alarm doesnt like going off early in the morning :S). The best attempt ive had from this guide so far is that i was letting myself fall to sleep rather than trying to stay awake, this helped the most and only keeping my concious just about there, in this attempt i started to feel the onset of SP and had started having small snippets of dreams but i woke myself up from the onset . tonight my alarm should hopefully go off (setting it to AM apparently helps xD). This guide really gave me a better mindset for approaching WILDs and hopefully tonight ill get my first WILD its been too long since my last LD

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      @Zelzahim i have the same thing and i doubt its tinnitus as ive had the exact sasme thing since i was young i find it annoying sometimes but i only hear it when there is NO other sound around me. My TV being on standby has a very quiet buzz and i cant really hear it unless im right next to it, but its enouh to stop the effect. i tried using it as an aid to wild once before but it was quite uncomfortable and havent tried it since. Hope that helped!
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      Quote Originally Posted by Dasrat View Post
      i only hear it when there is NO other sound around me.
      If you read the first line of that wiki article, you'd know this is the exact definition of Tinnitus. Not trying to be a dick. Just trying to help you understand what you're experiencing.

      I'm glad the guide could help you find a good mindset. Good luck to ya!

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