Thread: Galantamine + Choline

Originally Posted by IcarusWilder

What's "sp"?

Stands for sleep paralysis. Well I had 3 lucids this morning from the combo. But only took 300 mg of alpha gpc with it this time. The first two I tryed having sex both times and both times didn't even get close to having sex before I woke up. I kept trying to find a good place to do it, so it took a while. And the last one I tried flying. I tryed falling forward to see if I'd hover, but I didn't and I hit the ground. Then I just decided to just up and it worked and I launched into the sky, but a guy followed me and it scared the crap out of me and I woke up. The first two were hazy and I have to work on my awareness more. My level of lucid in the first two were probably about a 3 and the last one maybe a 4. But still good progress for me.

Originally Posted by NrElAx

Stands for sleep paralysis. Well I had 3 lucids this morning from the combo. But only took 300 mg of alpha gpc with it this time. The first two I tryed having sex both times and both times didn't even get close to having sex before I woke up. I kept trying to find a good place to do it, so it took a while. And the last one I tried flying. I tryed falling forward to see if I'd hover, but I didn't and I hit the ground. Then I just decided to just up and it worked and I launched into the sky, but a guy followed me and it scared the crap out of me and I woke up. The first two were hazy and I have to work on my awareness more. My level of lucid in the first two were probably about a 3 and the last one maybe a 4. But still good progress for me.

Awesome. My LDs last a lot longer when I stop myself from attacking everything in sight with my penis. I try to gain control of my senses when I enter my LDs but usually only touch something then i'm on my way with my LD A.D.D.

Do you remember your lucids very well when taking this stuff. I mean I remember the last lucidfrom this morning pretty well, and vivid parts from the other two, but its still kind of blurry. Is that because my dreams weren't that vivid, because the first lucid I had(which was just a dild w/out the g&c)was short but I will never forget it.

Took it last night and had a real hard time WILDing, kept tossing and turning - could not get comfortable. Eventually, I gave up probably between 4-5 and had some vivid dreams but no lucids. I woke really refreshed and ready to go which was much better than what I was expecting I'll be trying again friday morning.

Originally Posted by Cosmix

I woke really refreshed and ready to go which was much better than what I was expecting I'll be trying again friday morning.

Yea I usually feel pretty good when I wake up. But this morning I felt really tired and my body felt all heavy. Did you dream about the galantamine at all. I notice if I don't get lucid off of it, then I'll either have very vivid dreams or dream about the galantamine. And the vivid dreams are so vivd that it feels like I'm conscious but I can't control what I'm doing and I'm forced to do what's going on.

Originally Posted by NrElAx

Yea I usually feel pretty good when I wake up. But this morning I felt really tired and my body felt all heavy. Did you dream about the galantamine at all. I notice if I don't get lucid off of it, then I'll either have very vivid dreams or dream about the galantamine. And the vivid dreams are so vivd that it feels like I'm conscious but I can't control what I'm doing and I'm forced to do what's going on.

Lol oh man that's perfect description. I was dreaming that I was shopping for some new shoes and I was talking to my friend about the galatamine/choline combo and how it increases dream vividness and helps with becoming lucid.

Originally Posted by Cosmix

Lol oh man that's perfect description. I was dreaming that I was shopping for some new shoes and I was talking to my friend about the galatamine/choline combo and how it increases dream vividness and helps with becoming lucid.

Haha yea everytime it happens to me im with a friend and im like damn dude, I totally wasted the galantamine by staying a wake. But really im asleep and dreaming. Oh and does anyone know how fast the piracetam takes the galantamine out of your system?

Originally Posted by SleepyKitty

Awesome. My LDs last a lot longer when I stop myself from attacking everything in sight with my penis. I try to gain control of my senses when I enter my LDs but usually only touch something then i'm on my way with my LD A.D.D.

I know exactly what you mean! "Lucid consciousness" seems at least as different from "waking consciousness" as it is from "dreaming consciousness," which fascinates me. Awake, I'm a very thoughtful, methodical, careful person with a relatively low libido. Lucid, I likewise experience hypersexuality and A.D.D., which has been frustrating, because I'm much more interested in exploring the environment and practicing my set tasks than mere pleasure-seeking. I'm good at remembering a lot of my tasks, but there are certain specific ones that I almost *never* remember to do, for some reason. I'm also really curious why sex has played such a big part in my lucid dreams, and Galantamine dreams in particular, when it almost never occurs in my NON-lucid dreams. Is the Galantamine a contributing factor?

Next morning:
Last night I tried the amino acid combination (2000mg L-Aspartic Acid, 4000mg L-Glutamine, 300mg L-Theanine) for the first time. Wow! It worked extraordinarily well, and I felt like I had an even higher degree of clarity and conscious awareness than I've ever experienced on the G+C combo. Interestingly, the dream also was completely free of any libidinous impulses, which furthers my suspicion that Galantamine can act as a kind of LD-Viagra! I hesitate to put all the blame on it, since my "natural" LDs (achieved without supplements) have sometimes included sexual content, but in the Galantamine dreams it seems like I get seduced into these situations even when I hadn't intended to (or had intended NOT to.)

I've also noticed that Galantamine seems to raise my physical body's heart rate and body temperature, which could be a contributing factor.

Verre, whered you buy your L-Aspartic acid. Could I buy it at a local store because I have glutamine and theanine.

Originally Posted by NrElAx

Verre, whered you buy your L-Aspartic acid. Could I buy it at a local store because I have glutamine and theanine.

I looked for it at several different grocery stores that carry a huge selection of supplements, but couldn't find it anywhere, and Amazon didn't carry any with free shipping, so I ended up buying it from iherb.com. They didn't charge too much for shipping and mailed the package quickly, so it was a good experience. I didn't try a store like Vitamin Express that specializes in supplements, though, so if you don't want to buy online you might inquire at one of those types of places. It's possible they could special order it if they don't have it in stock.

Alright thanks. I might try glutamine and theanine on its own during my wbtb tomarrow morning because I heard some had success with that.

Woot! Last time I tried G/C with this insomnia sleep aid (that doesn't suppress REM), I got 4 LD's that night, AND woke up feeling very rested (which is a new thing for me... G/C usually leaves me feeling exhausted for the entire day).

Hey, what is the "insomnia sleep aid" you are taking and did it help fall asleep quickly after the G/C ?

Thanks

Well I tried 12 mg this morning. I know, I'm going to ruin my tolerenace. But I'm going on vacation fir 10 days and I'm not bringing the G+C with me, si I figure that will help. But I had a very interesting morning. I took it at 6am and couldn't fall back to sleep but I felt very relaxed and heavy. Eventually I did and I had three dreams and realized I was dreaming in all of them but woke up. I don't even remember thoughs dreams though. The next part is interesting. I woke up from the last dream into sp and I was laying on my side. I was able to open my eyes during the sp, but I didn't want to move, so I closed my eyes and I felt my dream body laying up right on my bed, so I opened my eyes and tried getting out of bed, and I did but I felt all drunk, like I do sometimes with this stuff. I made it to my door but woke up. But I did it again and closed my eyes and I felt my dream body. This literally happened like 8 times. It was like if I closed my eyes, I would automatically feel my dream body in my bed. Twice I opened my eyed and I saw a black suitcase floating over my bed and I tried kicking it, but I would feel both my dream leg and my real leg. But my real leg didn't move. Another time I got out of bed but I was like blind and I decided screw my door, I'm going to try and go through my wall. And it worked but then I woke up again. It was such a weird experience. Its like I was stuck going in and out of waking life and dream life. At times it felt like I was stuck in between haha. But eventually I decided to move my toe and get out of sp which I wish I didn't. It sucked because the 4 times I actually made it out of my bed, I could barely walk. I tried rubbing my hands together and it worked a little but then I would feel all drunk again. But it was a fun experience that you'd have to experience to understand. I'm so glad I got into lucid dreaming because now I get experience all this weird crap haha.

Originally Posted by NrElAx

Do you remember your lucids very well when taking this stuff?

It depends. Half the time i'll wake up and instantly remember a good portion of my LD. The other half I wake up feeling like i had a LD and have to try really hard to recall pieces of the dream. Sometimes I know I have a LD and still can't remember any part.

Everyone tells beginners recall is key... I know why.

I have taken the 8mg of G and 400 of C combo now 6 times over a period of about 5 weeks. I have experienced 1 DILD, 3 WILDs, and two failures with these supplements. My DILD lasted what seemed to be an hour yet was dark and somewhat dull. All three of my WILDs only lasted a short time. I always separate from my body and find myself in the room where I am sleeping. As I walk through the house in the dark and out the door I usually start flying and the loose lucidity shortly thereafter. I try to stabilized by spinning, looking at my hands and rubbing my hands together but that doesn't seem to help. I have also noticed that since I have been taking these supplements that it is now harder to go lucid without them.

Does anyone have any advise for me as to how I can extend my lucid experiences? Thanks!

Originally Posted by TommyCat

Hey, what is the "insomnia sleep aid" you are taking and did it help fall asleep quickly after the G/C ?

Thanks

I promised myself I would look at the box and take a picture of it or something to post here... but I haven't done it, yet. Basically, it's a combo of lemon balm, l-theanine, some B-vitamins, etc. Great stuff! Extremely hard to find, though.

Originally Posted by NrElAx

Well I tried 12 mg this morning. I know, I'm going to ruin my tolerenace. But I'm going on vacation fir 10 days and I'm not bringing the G+C with me, si I figure that will help.

Err, yeah, it should, I guess. I don't know much about cleansing it out of your system once you continue to build a tolerance... 10 days should be enough to reset your level of tolerance?

I woke up from the last dream into sp and I was laying on my side. I was able to open my eyes during the sp, but I didn't want to move, so I closed my eyes and I felt my dream body laying up right on my bed, so I opened my eyes and tried getting out of bed, and I did but I felt all drunk, like I do sometimes with this stuff. I made it to my door but woke up. But I did it again and closed my eyes and I felt my dream body. This literally happened like 8 times.

Ahhh, yeah. This is fairly typical with me and G/C. I will almost always "wake up" and experience sleep paralysis, but it's usually a false awakening. My general rule of thumb is... if I'm experiencing these sensations, there's a high chance it's a dream. I just don't experience these kinds of things when I try to WILD (my WILDs are usually transitionless, so it's hard to catch).

Originally Posted by DukeDreamWalker

I have also noticed that since I have been taking these supplements that it is now harder to go lucid without them.

Do you feel that the G/C is becoming a crutch? Are you relying too much on them? It's all up to you on how you want to become lucid. I know a few guys who use different LDS combos almost every night, with a few days rest in their cycle before they go again. I know people who just use an LDS once or twice a week as a boost. And then many won't use them at all, and prefer to rely on the natural methods.

If all you want is the boost, I would suggest backing off the LDS's for a bit (like a week or so) and get yourself back into the consistent practice of a standard technique.

Anyways, even with LDS's, you still need to focus and practice an induction technique. An LDS without a technique is almost guaranteed not to work.

Does anyone have any advise for me as to how I can extend my lucid experiences? Thanks!

I try to DEILD whenever I wake up during a G/C night. Usually, it's just a false awakening anyways, so re-entry is fairly simple.

This may have been answered, but my search of the thread showed nothing. Is GalantMind drug test safe without a perscription? I've only had one induced LD (a DILD), so will this hinder progress if I use this to WILD?

Well depeding where your from you might not need a prescription. But I doubt it would. But its great for entering sp. I could never enter sp and once I started taking this, I almost always entered sp.

Serenity, thanks for taking the time to reply…

Originally Posted by Serenity

Do you feel that the G/C is becoming a crutch?

After reading Advanced Lucid Dreaming - The Power of Supplements by Thomas Yuschak from cover to cover twice, I feel that I have a pretty good understanding about how the use of supplements can enhance the lucid experience. I don’t understand how you conclude that I might be using them as a “crutch” when I am simple trying to enhance my lucidity. Now, in my way of thinking those “guys who use different LDS combos almost every night” have developed an unhealthy and dangerous crutch!

Are you relying too much on them?

How can I be relying too much on them when I only use them once a week? I still don’t understand where you are getting this from.

It's all up to you on how you want to become lucid.

Yes, I understand this. Being fairly new at lucid dreaming I only average 2 or 3 lucid dreams a week and I am trying to increase frequency and duration. Once again my reasoning for taking suppliments.

Anyways, even with LDS's, you still need to focus and practice an induction technique. An LDS without a technique is almost guaranteed not to work.

Yes, I still “focus and practice an induction technique,” in fact I use different techniques depending on what I’m trying to accomplish. Sometimes I use WILD and sometime MILD and occationally my lucid dreams are induced by dream signs (DILD).

I try to DEILD whenever I wake up during a G/C night. Usually, it's just a false awakening anyways, so re-entry is fairly simple.

Finally something useful! Thanks for this advise! I will have to read up on DEILD and use it next time!

Originally Posted by TheKing

This may have been answered, but my search of the thread showed nothing. Is GalantMind drug test safe without a perscription?

Galantamine (brand name : Razadyne) is used primarily in the medical field for treating those afflicted with Alzheimer disease. This link should provide further useful information: PubMed Health - Galantamine

I've only had one induced LD (a DILD), so will this hinder progress if I use this to WILD?

According to my limited experience Galantamine can be very effective in enhancing any lucid dream regardless of the induction technique. There are many examples throughout this thread that substantiate this!

Good luck, TheKing!

I bought a bottle of Galantamind. Is that still a good product?

Originally Posted by TheKing

I bought a bottle of Galantamind. Is that still a good product?

Yea I think it is. I use a different one but I think a lot of other people use that one.

I decided to wait after reading that link DukeDreamWalker posted. I want to attain lucidity on my own then experiment with supplements.

I have to ask, galantamine is a perscription drug and using or carrying a perscription drug without the perscription is a felony in the US. How do all of you get around that?