Thread: Possibly the key to lucid dreaming?

Well this will change my life. Thanks..

I am going to do this technique tonight.

It's not a technique you do overnight, it sounds simple but it's not. Having COMPLETE confidence in your MIND to work out the problem for you is a lot more difficult than you think. If we all could just do it over night we would cure cancer.

It is, I've been doing it for a few days.

I think this may be similar to the concept of being "artlessly artful". There are a few stories about Tao/Zen. They focus on learning a skill for a very long time, until it is technically perfect(art, archery, etc), then intentionally forgetting the skill over a couple years. When the skill is picked up again, it is apparently amazingly effective. They use examples of archers shooting down birds without being aware of what's happening, etc.

Could this be related?

Worked for me. I turned my brother's head into a fish. It was awesome.

Originally Posted by Ev

I think this may be similar to the concept of being "artlessly artful". There are a few stories about Tao/Zen. They focus on learning a skill for a very long time, until it is technically perfect(art, archery, etc), then intentionally forgetting the skill over a couple years. When the skill is picked up again, it is apparently amazingly effective. They use examples of archers shooting down birds without being aware of what's happening, etc.

Could this be related?

It's not really like that. I think the point is: Feel confident now because the now is the only moment you can experience things in your life. If you tell yourself I am not this or that now but I'll be in the future you're excluding something from your life that you could have now. "I will lucid dream, I just need more practice." When Your mind could say? You don't know when, you'll never know. This generates doubt, delusion, you're working against yourself. This attitude can be used by anyone, you don't need to learn lucid dreaming first. You can use it as a base layer for the technique you are using if it feels comfortable for you. It's more a way of thinking rather than a standard technique. These positive affirmations, visualisations will probably become part of your subconscious instead of concepts of instability like I can't lucid dream or it's hard to lucid dream etc and should develope a confidence that allows you to achieve whatever you want to achieve.

I just went to bed last night thinking "Some lucid dreams would be pretty cool". 4 lucids. Come on guys, this isn't really that hard at all. I don't see why anyone has trouble with it. You just need to unlearn that crap about lucid dreaming being hard and that you have to reality check and take supplements and bla bla bla to lucid dream. You don't need that stuff. Stop telling yourself and others that you do.

This technique is great, just a word of warning - I was a superstar lucid dreamer a few years ago, just like you are right now. I stumbled upon the same technique, it was also easy, natural, etc. And I stopped trying hard. I stopped WILDing, barely recorded normal dreams. And then it stopped, and I can barely LD anymore. The motivation to try hard techniques like I used to when I was thinking it was hard is gone. I know it should be easy, but it just isn't easy anymore!

I guess I just picked up too many bad dreaming habits as a result of so much success - not recording regular dreams, random times in bed rather than consistent schedule, taking sleep supplements on and off, etc.

Just a quick comparison - I spent about 7 months, thinking reading and doing techniques every single day before this technique became possible. How long have you guys tried to LD before discovering this method?

Originally Posted by Rathez

"if an idea pops into your head, act on it immediately".

This is great actually, helps a lot building positiv momentum. Nice posting.

Sounds like a pretty good technique, as long as you can muster up the confidence and belief that you will LD that night. I've been looking up some new 'Attaining Lucidity' techniques to see if there were any easier ones that might help me more, and so far I've found the All Day Awareness technique and this one. I may be reluctant at first, but if I keep firmly assuring myself every night that I will have a lucid, then eventually (hopefully) I'll get one (: Thanks for posting this, SilverBullet.

Originally Posted by SilverBullet

I just went to bed last night thinking "Some lucid dreams would be pretty cool". 4 lucids. Come on guys, this isn't really that hard at all. I don't see why anyone has trouble with it. You just need to unlearn that crap about lucid dreaming being hard and that you have to reality check and take supplements and bla bla bla to lucid dream. You don't need that stuff. Stop telling yourself and others that you do.

It's not as easy as you think it is. Just because you can have lucids almost every night by doing nothing doesn't mean that everyone can do this "technique" I've been trying for 3 weeks to do this stuff and none of it has worked.

Originally Posted by rynkrt3

It's not as easy as you think it is. Just because you can have lucids almost every night by doing nothing doesn't mean that everyone can do this "technique" I've been trying for 3 weeks to do this stuff and none of it has worked.

Actually you couldn't be more wrong. It is easy as you think it is, really easy. Look at what I underlined in your quote. Thats one solid statement that will transfer a strong message to the subconscious. The fact you went out of your way to make a forum post to complain that this method is faulty is evidence enough to support that you don't believe in yourself to pull this of, so your subconscious isn't going to help you out. Not to mention your entire post is a negative statement. Its funny that you can't recognize this.

Just because you 'tried' for 3 weeks doesn't mean you're entitled to it. In that entire three weeks I doubt you ever once had the confidence to truly believe in your ability to lucid dream. I bet you thought about it, but you never really believed in it. Just because you think "ya I can do this" isn't enough. You really need to believe in your ability to lucid dream. You know when you really do believe in something because you become passionate about it.

Constant negativity like this isn't going to get you anywhere, especially when you're relying on your subconscious to provide the cue to wake you up...

Whew, well guys I just spent ages reading the whole 8 pages of this thread. I know I posted stuff at the start but it was nothing serious.

So, yes I do believe this technique can work (that's a start). I get on well with MILD (when I can be bothered to do WBTB) so this will work well with me.

For those who are saying "tried this last night and nothing happened..." Well, the thing is to me it sounds like you shouldn't be "trying". It's effortless, because of course, you know you're damn amazing lucid at dreaming and why would you even think about anything otherwise ? Also, as has been said before. This is like a muscle. At first it's weak but eventually it becomes stronger. It goes the same for willpower and other mind stuff. You need to believe that you can believe! Haha.

An example of belief. When I was a kid I used to go to gymnastics. To teach us to handspring off of vaults, they had to teach us to get a strong enough jump. At first we'd pile thick crashmats up on one another and have to handspring onto them. I was never very good at this, or at least I thought I wasn't. Each time, whilest I was preparing to run, my mind would be racing, I'd be hesitant, I was constantly thinking "But I can't do this!" One time I was training for a competition and there were four crashmats on top of eachother. I tried and tried, and each time just made me cut off a bit more confidence until eventually I just started crying. The instructor -who was usually a bitch- came up to me, and told me that I could do this, and that I needed to have the confidence within myself to do it.

So, I go back to the end of the runway. I start listing things in my head that made me believe I could do it. "I'm a fast runner aren't I? I can jump high, I can focus on all my limbs, I have good technique... What's stopping me?" I realised my belief that it was hard was stopping me. I ran down that runway and done the best damn handspring onto mats twice my height and landed perfectly on my back, legs up and straight. After that I started on the real thing, and with my new found confidence managed to jump over it without my legs touching it the week after.

So, I'mma test this out, see how it goes, work up some deeply rooted belief... And check in with you guys a little bit later

As for the sudden stream of ideas from the subconscious, I get this with music composition (though on computer mostly), writing and drama (acting). I just kinda go into this state of mind where everything I do is creative and fits the goal/subject I'm trying to accomplish. I remember once I was sitting on the computer composition program in my school music department and this happened for about an hour and then my piano teacher came in and I was so pissed that she'd disturbed me and had to leave. Meh.

Right the parking space physical laws stuff that was posted earlier. Here we're talking about a state of mind. It's a state of mind that changes the way you, your mind and body think and behave. It changes your perception to create a different outcome. Laying back and doing nothing isn't going to make things happen just by thinking about them. It just gives you a new sense of passion, a sense of wanting to go out and do anything to achieve your goal. This opens new doorways which arise that help you. "Fails" don't faze you because you know you're gonna get it. I think with lucid dreaming it's different because it's more of how the brain works whilest you're dreaming. There's not much physically that you can do. Sure, reality checks can help, but it's not a road to getting it, it's a factor that helps you.

It's hard to explain. I know what this is and how it works I just find it hard to put into words. Maybe for those who are hesitant, it will click and happen. I know that when I really put my mind into lucid dreaming and believe, that I get many. It's happened to me before. I just haven't been like that recently. Time to get back into it again!

This, in combination with ADA, can probably give people nightly LD's! Awesome

Originally Posted by rynkrt3

It's not as easy as you think it is. Just because you can have lucids almost every night by doing nothing doesn't mean that everyone can do this "technique" I've been trying for 3 weeks to do this stuff and none of it has worked.

It's probably depends on the persons bent of character. This is my attitude about lucid dreams: (if I've had a lucid last night) "That was pretty cool, can't wait till my next one." (If I don't have a lucid dream) "eh, that kinda sucks, whatever." (If I'm going to have a lucid dream) "I wonder what kinda lucid I'll have tonight, what should I do in it. Can't wait."

So my advice is that you shouldn't go to an extreme on any of your emotions, just make it like a small whim. So if you don't have a lucid it's not the end of the world. Also you should never say that lucid dreaming is anything but easy. Because it's easy. Anyone can lucid dream like a natural, you just need to stop believing that it's hard.

Also I got 2 lucids last night

You're on a role Silverbullet. I've had 3 this week, getting back into it again. Belief, belief, belief.

2 lucids last night doing this and MILD.

Lemme tell you all something. If you're a lazy person such as myself I would definitely recommend to you this method combined with MILD. This way you don't have to crawl out of bed miserably at god knows how early in the morning. (Unless you really like doing that sort of thing.)

This is cool stuff, try it out everyone.

Originally Posted by ThePieMan

Lemme tell you all something. If you're a lazy person such as myself I would definitely recommend to you this method combined with MILD. This way you don't have to crawl out of bed miserably at god knows how early in the morning. (Unless you really like doing that sort of thing.)

This is cool stuff, try it out everyone.

I'm a lazy person haha. I much rather like to plan things than actually do them.

But I do think that everyone can benifit from this, along with MILD and ADA. They're all related. I think I'll try adding them all together and see how it goes, though I find ADA very difficult.

Wait... I shouldn't think that

Originally Posted by Raspberry

I'm a lazy person haha. I much rather like to plan things than actually do them.

But I do think that everyone can benifit from this, along with MILD and ADA. They're all related. I think I'll try adding them all together and see how it goes, though I find ADA very difficult.

Wait... I shouldn't think that

I tried adding them all together.
This created a resonance cascade scenario, with aftershocks that contained microscopic black holes and waffles.

iv been doing this all week my dreams are much more clear and iv came close to lucid. i was dreaming i was dr who and some reason the fbi or men in black banned me from currys. i sort of ran and they started shooting at me i tryed to fly but got shot in the head which i felt and woke up it was weird lol so random

I've been doing this the last few nights, last night was my birthday, and of course lucidity was only a secondary concern. So I didn't try, I just did, by not becoming focused on the why's and how's (I had no mantras, I wasn't visualising, I didn't WBTB, etc.). What I did have was a quiet but sure confidence that that night would be my night, and it was. Once you let go of the shackles of Lucid dreaming as being something only a handful of people can achieve, that it is hard work etc. You just do it, and don't worry about it.

Natural Lucid Dreamers never get hung up about techniques, they might not be aware of them, they just lucid dream, it's what they do. You do, too.

Simply through this method and practicing awareness, I've trained my subconscious to wake me up during a dream so I can lucid dream. I don't keep a dream journal, don't do any mantras, totems etc. I actually don't do anything. Now as long as I remind myself there is some importance to lucid dreaming, I will at least become aware I'm dreaming once a night. However, since I lack keeping a dream journal they're not as clear and vivid as they could be and sometimes I won't remember I had a lucid dream till an hour or so after waking up. I should probably start recording my dreams now that I type this out and think about it lol.