Thread: Possibly the key to lucid dreaming?

Read this yesterday before going to bed... Had a lucid dream the same night.
As I was getting ready to go to bed, I simply started to praise myself about my dreaming skills, even though I'm a newbie. I started to repeat different sentences in my head, distinctly saying Lucid Dream.
"You actually lucid dream every night, but you forget that you had a lucid dream. So all you have to do is recall the lucid dream when you have a lucid dream."
"I do lucid dreams whenever I wish."
"I'm free to turn the dream in a lucid dream whenever I want, it is so easy."
I repeated similar sentences for a while because I couldn't fall asleep. I thought I could kill some time by creating a song about lucid dream.
I improvised a rhymed song and actually got into that. I eventually fell asleep and had a lucid dream;

I wanted to try to learn any power, but I thought I had to stabilize it for longer times or else I would have woken up.
I've lost too much time too much time to stabilize that the dream ended.

This can be probably classified as a MILD though.

This truly is the key to Lucid Dreaming.
I had two more DILDs last night. Now to work on my dream control. Both of them destabilized fast.

heh, had a lucid dream last night. Did so much stuff. I also got to pet a dragon .

Also if you guys get trouble with stabilizing, what I do is I feel that when I am in the dream, that the place I'm in is 100% real and exists in another reality.

Never fails. The dream gets clearer and lasts longer. I don't rub my hands together or spin around, those usually never work, at least for me.

Originally Posted by SilverBullet

Well, I've found some videos about this man talking about our "super-conscious". This video doesn't explain anything about lucid dreams yet it is ther perfect technique to have many lucids every single night. Here are the videos, he explains how you can use this faculty of the brain to achieve anything you want.

YouTube - How to Double your Brain's Performance (1/4)
YouTube - How to Double your Brain's Performance (2/4)
YouTube - How to Double your Brain's Performance (3/4)
YouTube - How to Double your Brain's Performance (4/4)

Don't want to watch them all? That's ok, I'll summarize it for you. They key to lucid dreaming is setting your goal in the simplest way possible, like in another thread, just by telling yourself "I lucid dream". That is perfect. Now all you have to do is trust your mind to do the work for you. Don't try to have a lucid dream. Just sleep! It's the same part of the brain that can wake you up at an exact time without an alarm, you don't try to. You just expect it to and trust it to. If you are going to do this it is very important NOT TO TRY, EVEN A LITTLE. When I thought about it, I now know that about 90% of my lucid dreams happen because I did this unknowingly. After I kind of gave up on lucid dreaming long time ago they started flooding in for some reason. After I had a lot I trusted my mind to just have them like a regular thing. If you believe your a master lucid dreamer you are. If you don't, your not. Simple as that. You don't even need to do that reality check bullcrap. I never EVER reality check. I don't take supplements or listen/watch anything. I'm not a natural, I started like most people here struggling, barely even remembering any dreams. I started from scratch. You can all do the same exact thing.

Oh yeah......and then you could program your brain to skip stages 3 and 4 and get right into REM right? Oh and also you could activate a switch inside the brain to tell you if it's a dream or not and become lucid at will! It's so easy everyone can do it. Please! There are sleep stages and unless your mind was able to 'skip' or somehow survive stages 3 and 4...it's almost a certainty your idea of lucidity will get erased before you get to REM. And then there's the reverse of going from stage 4 to 3 and then to stage 2 and then REM. Stages 2, 3 and 4 is when the mind is dormant that means it's as good as 'dead' and the dream only starts to form when the brain comes out of stage 2. So in a nut shell...if the dreamer doers nothing the brain will also do nothing and go through the sleep stages and only dream after stage 2 which of course by that time would be a blank slate so what do you mean by "trust it to do the work for you"? The only work that it does is to erase what you have and to dream randomly.

IMJ

Another failed attempt for me last night. Oh well, I guess I'll try again tonight.

The key? To what...another suggestive lucid dreaming post. Come tomorrow..it will be the same...no lds again.

IMJ

This works dude, read through the fucking thread. Who the hell are you to come here and say all that?

Originally Posted by imj

Oh yeah......and then you could program your brain to skip stages 3 and 4 and get right into REM right? Oh and also you could activate a switch inside the brain to tell you if it's a dream or not and become lucid at will! It's so easy everyone can do it. Please! There are sleep stages and unless your mind was able to 'skip' or somehow survive stages 3 and 4...it's almost a certainty your idea of lucidity will get erased before you get to REM. And then there's the reverse of going from stage 4 to 3 and then to stage 2 and then REM. Stages 2, 3 and 4 is when the mind is dormant that means it's as good as 'dead' and the dream only starts to form when the brain comes out of stage 2. So in a nut shell...if the dreamer doers nothing the brain will also do nothing and go through the sleep stages and only dream after stage 2 which of course by that time would be a blank slate so what do you mean by "trust it to do the work for you"? The only work that it does is to erase what you have and to dream randomly.

IMJ

Originally Posted by imj

The key? To what...another suggestive lucid dreaming post. Come tomorrow..it will be the same...no lds again.

IMJ

pffhahaha. All that crap you said and believe is why this won't work for you :p. It works for me and many others, If you don't want to lucid dream, fine by me! xD I know from my own experience that it actually is possible to skip all stages and go right into REM. That is pretty much what a WILD is. Thoughts are still present and it is very simple. It can work for other types of dreams also. You didn't even read the thread. It helped people get DILDs too. I guess maybe not everyone can do it.(based on an attitude like yours)

Originally Posted by imj

Oh yeah......and then you could program your brain to skip stages 3 and 4 and get right into REM right? Oh and also you could activate a switch inside the brain to tell you if it's a dream or not and become lucid at will! It's so easy everyone can do it. Please! There are sleep stages and unless your mind was able to 'skip' or somehow survive stages 3 and 4...it's almost a certainty your idea of lucidity will get erased before you get to REM. And then there's the reverse of going from stage 4 to 3 and then to stage 2 and then REM. Stages 2, 3 and 4 is when the mind is dormant that means it's as good as 'dead' and the dream only starts to form when the brain comes out of stage 2. So in a nut shell...if the dreamer doers nothing the brain will also do nothing and go through the sleep stages and only dream after stage 2 which of course by that time would be a blank slate so what do you mean by "trust it to do the work for you"? The only work that it does is to erase what you have and to dream randomly.

IMJ

Skipping stage 3... skipping stage 4? What thread have you been through? What was the purpose of your examples and sarcasm? Because none of them were pertinent to the thread subject. You seem to be here just to prove someone's wrong. You can disagree, there's nothing wrong with it, but you could use a different attitude and get more info about the subject before flaming. Where is it coming from that the subconscious function is just to erase data? The subconscious is like a mirror that reflects yourself in a disorganised way but not everything is random as you say. It's a projection of yourself, and it's involved directly in memory processes including storing data during dreaming not just erasing them.I still don't get the wanderings about sleep stages... like someone ever talked about it

He's probably just in a bad mood or something.

Hahaha that guy is so frustrated xD

Good post. Actually thats what I do for almost every single aspect of my life. I trust my senses and what I've done and hope that things turn out well for me.

It's weird
"whenever I TRY to lucid dream the best outcome I get is me remembering my dream, but back before I knew about lucid dreaming I would always wake up mad because I was always awakened in the middle of the night because I would realize that I was dreaming. It's like the only way I can lucid dream is if I don't try, which is kinda hard to do." is what I wrote on my one of my threads, before finding this, maybe me doing that NOT trying thing could work. I'll try it tonight.

not only is this the key to lucid dreaming
it is also the key to many things....just believing everything will work out the way you planned

Originally Posted by SilverBullet

pffhahaha. All that crap you said and believe is why this won't work for you :p. It works for me and many others, If you don't want to lucid dream, fine by me! xD I know from my own experience that it actually is possible to skip all stages and go right into REM. That is pretty much what a WILD is. Thoughts are still present and it is very simple. It can work for other types of dreams also. You didn't even read the thread. It helped people get DILDs too. I guess maybe not everyone can do it.(based on an attitude like yours)

Sleep stages in not a believe it's a fact because that's how the brain behave..Google it. And it's also a fact that letting go never worked. It's also a fact that I only saw the light cue during REM and was thought functional and when I saw it during NON-REM sleep I wasn't thinking at all I was 'dead'. Maybe you have some dysfunction of your sleep stages..who knows. I know I have that now because I find myself have woken up during stage 2 to reset a switch and I don't remember doing that and that affected my REM negatively. Belief only works in the world of belief not reality where the hard facts are. Also definition of CRAP....unfounded information that disagrees the next person's view...Definition of FACT..Objective information that can be found by almost anyone even if it is conflicting with the next person's view.

IMJ

Skipping stage 3... skipping stage 4? What thread have you been through? What was the purpose of your examples and sarcasm? Because none of them were pertinent to the thread subject. You seem to be here just to prove someone's wrong. You can disagree, there's nothing wrong with it, but you could use a different attitude and get more info about the subject before flaming. Where is it coming from that the subconscious function is just to erase data? The subconscious is like a mirror that reflects yourself in a disorganised way but not everything is random as you say. It's a projection of yourself, and it's involved directly in memory processes including storing data during dreaming not just erasing them.I still don't get the wanderings about sleep stages... like someone ever talked about it


It's not sarcasm for nothing...it's that you are giving false hope to people based on your fluke. People never talk about it because either 1) they are ignorant that it even exists or 2) They are too silly to notice it since it's information that is the basics of sleep and dreams, been on the internet for ages or 3) They are lazy so they don't do their research and expect miracles which unfortunately never happens.

IMJ

i guess ill try to not try this tonight

imj, in the other sleep phases you arent dead, there is brain function, and though you arent aware of it there are thoughts going around in your mind unconciously. you simply gain conciousness and lose it in the night, and the higher your conciousness is the better the thoughts form and make sense. like a friend from summercamp i met always sleeptalked, and you could listen to his stages progress, like at first he would moan and say,"mmmmmm SIXTY SIX....DONUT!!!" and then later he would start saying sentences every minute, like getting in a break dance competition with elmo, and the other sesame street characters, who for some reason had weapons, to him narrating a full blown story about how he became king arthur and went around the world battling superheros, santa, and chuck norris to steal their powers (really funny night, almost died of laughter). anyway im saying that you arent dead in the other stages, you dont get cleared like a blank slate, otherwise things from waking life wouldnt get in dreams. lots of people seem to think this method works, and fine if you dont want to use it.

I'll just go ahead and throw my opinion into the mix here.

I've been lucid dreaming for many years now and I've tried out several techniques and methods to improve the amount of lucid dreams I have. The "technique" described in this thread is more or less the method which I've been using for a while now.

The first years of getting into lucid dreaming I basically followed the methods that other users had described as some kind of "ultimate law". If I deviated from the plan laid out by other users by a tiny fraction the attempt would be a sure fail. Sure, I got a few lucid dreams by following the methods like a mindless zombie, but they were scattered and few compared to today.

After a while (and after forgetting about lucid dreaming a few times) something finally clicked. I finally realized that during the course of many years I've been mindlessly following the techniques and findings of others, completely disregarding myself and my own ideas to lucid dream better.

Lucid dreaming and dreaming in general isn't an exact science. You can't just mindlessly use other peoples techniques and expect them to work as well as they do for them. You'll need to figure out something that works perfectly for you and you alone. Not something that works for someone else.

So after a while I began to meditate, try to find something that worked for me, not something that worked for everyone else. After a while I created a method that's almost the same as this one. At first I was a bit skeptical, surely something this easy wasn't going to cut it. But I knew that I needed to throw that kind of skepticism out of the window if I would want to try this method out for real.

The first few days didn't give me any lucid dreams, but I didn't think about that and continued to use my newly found method. After those first few days I had my first lucid dream (with this method) which made my motivation skyrocket. After that day my lucid dreams began to increase in frequency until a point when it stopped increasing. It stopped when I had the ability to lucid dream every single night (at the time I'm writing this I've had lucid dreams daily for 1.5 weeks).

"I've been dreaming for years and I've finally managed to have a few lucid dreams a week and now something this easy comes out and downright throws my efforts into the drain… this can't work in practice!", that is what I expect many seasoned lucid dreamers would think when they see a method like this. It feels like the method comes out of fairyland where everything is great and anyone can become natural lucid dreamers.

Well for me it was like that. This was my fairytale lucid dreaming method. I'm absolutely not a natural lucid dreamer. I'm someone who've had a few scattered lucid dreams in my childhood and after that struggled to make myself have more lucid dreams.

When you think about it, this is probably also how most "natural lucid dreamers" get their constant lucid dreams from. Why would they doubt themselves to have lucid dreams if they always have them? Often they become naturals in an early age, they have a lucid dream and think "Hey that was cool, let's do that every night!", because they don't know that you're "supposed" to struggle with lucid dreaming and because of that they simply don't. They want lucid dreams and lucid dreams is what they get, because why wouldn't they get lucid dreams if they know that it's possible to get lucid dreams? They are completely sure that they are going to get their lucid dreams because why wouldn't they?

I'll also go ahead and give some general pointers to new users that are just starting out with lucid dreaming so they don't fall into the same pitfalls as I did:

• Don't treat failures of others as your failures. If a technique doesn't work for them that doesn't mean that the technique doesn't work for you. Clearly this is something that would be self explanitory, but the ones that fail are often the ones that are loudest in the thread. They also often present valid points that may discourage you to try the technique out.
  
  
• You use the technique to lucid dream, the technique aren't supposed to use you. Don't just mindlessly use the techniques other people have given to you, find ways to improve the techniques to better work for YOU.
  
  
• More knowledge about lucid dreaming isn't always good. Basic knowledge is good, but other than that you should be careful about what you read on the forums. I've created many mental blocks for things that other people have said is hard that isn't hard at all if you just do it without thinking so much about it (logic can often be an enemy in lucid dreams, use logic as little as possible if you want to do things easily). So roam around lucid dreaming forums with cauntion, you don't want to make things harder for you.
  
  
• Don't pressure yourself. A failed lucid dream isn't the end of the world, stop treating it like it is. Pressure was one of my biggest enemies in the earlier years and it's something that you want to get rid off as soon as possible. Take the failed lucid as something to learn from. Why did you fail that night and how could you improve yourself?

Also, don't take my word for it. Figure out what method works best for you (or create your own method), but I think that with time anyone would be able to use this method to have constant (or semi constant) lucid dreams every night.

I'm sorry for the giant wall of text, I usually don't creep out of my lurker nest. But when come out I create walls of text

(Tl;dr for people in a hurry: A method which is basically the same as this one made me have lucid dreams every night and I recommend this method to anyone who wants to lucid dream frequently.)

Originally Posted by imj

It's not sarcasm for nothing...it's that you are giving false hope to people based on your fluke. People never talk about it because either 1) they are ignorant that it even exists or 2) They are too silly to notice it since it's information that is the basics of sleep and dreams, been on the internet for ages or 3) They are lazy so they don't do their research and expect miracles which unfortunately never happens.

IMJ

So right now you are just completely disproving the MILD method of induction based on the fact that you pass through a lapse of consciousness before REM4 stage sleep? As far as I can tell a little false hope never hurt anyone, many people in this thread broke dry spells or had their first lucid dreams due to this method. Even if this method is completely false, a placebo effect would definitely be strong enough to give someone a lucid dream. How about instead of disproving the theory based on your out-of-place facts, you actually try the method and convince yourself that you have lucid dreams every night; judging by the fact that you complain about its inconsistencies with fact based knowledge before trying it, try it, and then complain again you obviously still have doubt. The key to this is having no doubt about the method or yourself.
I'm going to try this, I'll let you guys know how it goes.

Originally Posted by imj

It's not sarcasm for nothing...it's that you are giving false hope to people based on your fluke. People never talk about it because either 1) they are ignorant that it even exists or 2) They are too silly to notice it since it's information that is the basics of sleep and dreams, been on the internet for ages or 3) They are lazy so they don't do their research and expect miracles which unfortunately never happens.

The problem of sleep stages is that.... no one ever talked about it in this thread! You're the only one who is talking about it ( and they have nothing to do with the method we're talking about). Like Lonelyturtle said your reasoning invalidates the MILD technique ...and probably all techniques ever described. It doesn't really make sense to me. I'm giving false hope? This is a judgement and like all judgements it's strictly individual. Who decides what's true or false with lucid dreaming that is mostly based on psychology? Above all you probably didn't read the title of the thread. It's called "Possibly the key to lucid dreaming?" Not " This is the key to lucid dreaming"!

Apart from this. I'll add a post I wrote on another thread about this subject that could be more appropriate in this one:
I think our lives are based upon expectation, just like dreams. If you expect something to go wrong it will go wrong, I realise this thinking about some exams I failed at university. Every time I thought I would have been successfull no matter what, I passed the exam even with little study. When I had even the slightest doubt about myself even if I studied hard.... I failed. I don't think memory has so much to do with attaining lucidity and even techniques in general. We rely too much in everything we do upon external things but those are just instruments and the mistake is the attribution of success or failure on the instruments we're using. Ask yourself: Who is using those instruments? I am. The outcome always depends on us , on how WE use those instruments. So what is the instrument to be used in lucid dreaming? Techniques? Hmmm I think the only instrument really involved is our mind (don't let it trick you, you're not your mind). We then need to learn using, programming our mind the right way, nothing else is needed
Some days ago I asked a DV guy called Futureghost who has been into lucid dreaming for 25 years what technique he used to increase the frequency of lucid dreams, the answer was:

Originally Posted by futureghost

Mirror,

I'm aggressively determined.

I want it to be clear though that I'm not in any way defending this method, it doesn't need to be defended by anyone,it doesn't have an ego like we do. I'm just bringing more stuff on the table to discuss about and to fit some pieces of the puzzle together

I'm just glad it works for at least a few people . (well actually I don't know since there has been tons of views but only a fraction of them posted.)

I had 4 lucids last night. T'was epic.

Originally Posted by SilverBullet

I'm just glad it works for at least a few people . (well actually I don't know since there has been tons of views but only a fraction of them posted.)

I had 4 lucids last night. T'was epic.

Holy Cr*p!

My high score for lucids in one night is 7 . I'm trying to beat it every day.