Thread: SilverBullet's Newly Revised Key to Lucid Dreaming

Originally Posted by rynkrt3

So you basically passively want lucids but you do absolutely nothing to get them?

No. That's not what I meant. It's almost like "knowing" something is going to happen, but that isn't quite right either. Like Don Juan says "If I tried to explain intent I would just be talking in circles"
The only way to truly find out what it is, is to find out on your own.

Originally Posted by Origami

Firstly, WOOT at Silverbullets avatar, ALUCARD is boss.

Secondly, believing is impossible (yeah I went there) when there is only the success of others to go on. I can't just know I'm going to lucid dream tonight purely because you do in yourself. It just doesn't work like that. If however I had worked my arse off for weeks doing R.C.s and the like, and I expected myself to have a lucid, because I felt I had reached the pinnacle of R.C.s, then I most likely would.

"Believe isn't told or taught, it is discovered"

Thats a famous quote from Ori Gami. He's a wise guy.

Once again its not really belief.

Say, if you were going to drop a ball on the ground. Even if you believe as hard as possible that it wont drop when you let go doesn't change the fact that it's still going to hit the ground. Now, when using intent, you may even do things that defy rationality. But you can only do something of that level only when you have cleansed your link with intent(along with some other complicated things). By that I mean losing our bonds with daily life, and becoming impeccable.

Great thread.

Firstly, WOOT at Silverbullets avatar, ALUCARD is boss.

Secondly, believing is impossible (yeah I went there) when there is only the success of others to go on. I can't just know I'm going to lucid dream tonight purely because you do in yourself. It just doesn't work like that. If however I had worked my arse off for weeks doing R.C.s and the like, and I expected myself to have a lucid, because I felt I had reached the pinnacle of R.C.s, then I most likely would.

"Believe isn't told or taught, it is discovered"

Thats a famous quote from Ori Gami. He's a wise guy.

What if you think of it like this,... When you dream, when you are dreaming, you have everything you need to lucid dream right there and then, you dont need much more else to realise your dreaming, if you believe that you can realise your dreaming when you are dreaming, then... you will. Because what else more do you need? some secret code? no. See what i'm getting at?. you all have points, but belief can work, and if it doesnt, you can find a way with just trying or making your subconscious believe you lucid dream every night. The fact your saying believing in it is impossible, just increases your doubt in not only the technique all together, but yourself. I admit i'v been trying to do this, but not much result . I'm in a bad lucid crisis dry spell., But i believe that silverbullets method, some way or another, IS going to get my out of it. So think of it like that: Your dreaming, and your in that moment, you need nothing more to lucid dream,. Just yourself. You can do it alone. And you can just use your subconscious to assist you in other ways,. I'v used the subconscious methods before. They worked once or twice, and they need elements,. Trust, Belief, Intent, Confidence, . But those elements are EASY to obtain. Confidence is being positive about the technique, Trust is trusting your mind, belief in the fact you can do this, and intent is the emotion your giving into your focus of what your doing. See what i mean?. :/ . I hope i make sense . Sorry if its long lol.

Originally Posted by LucidRaider

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Wow, couldn't of said it better myself.

Agh, I realize I sound as if I'm contradicting myself. For me, intent is the main element in this technique. But all the other elements lucidraider mentioned are needed too.

Man, this technique is so simple yet so infinitely complex.

I think I have it though- ahem.

If you know you will lucid, you will. If you know that when you get out of bed your feet will touch carpet, then they will. Mainly because there is not a shadow of a doubt in your mind that there is carpet under your bed. When you go into a dream, all you have to do is know that somewhere in the dream is a clear point, where you will become lucid. So far for me this is easy, I mean where else will I become lucid? On the bus? Nope.
So if I go to bed, and have a dream, I know already at some point somewhere there is a clear, defining moment and point where I can get lucid. I just walk past it every time. Like I know it's there, I just don't want to know.

I miss it because I don't have a goal. I go to sleep, to dream. No questions, no reason. If we went to sleep to lucid, then we would. If we did it once before it's like going to bed to sleep- we know we did it, we know we can do it again.
If we go to sleep with the intent, real intent like "I'm going to bed to have a lucid, nothing else", then your mind will expect, like the carpet and the dreams, that lucids should follow.

AmIdoingitrite?

Wow, I never thought this would of worked but I think it just did last night!!! I've been trying to get lucid for a while with no luck but this has done it!
Problem is the lucid wasn't very vivid, at one point I just clocked on that it was a dream and looked at my hands straight away but I cant remember if I had more than 5 fingers. Anyway I imagined what I wanted to be past the door, and when I opened it, it was there. Could this be just a normal dream? Because those are the steps in my head that I go over before I go to sleep.

I do think it was a lucid though and have to thank you for that!!

If you could look around and decide what you wanted to do, then that was lucid. If you knew it was a dream and could feel everything vividly, but were still taken along for the ride like normal dreams, that was semi lucid.

Thanks for the clarification, was 100% a lucid dream then! Thanks again SilverBullet.

For those who might be interested this is what I did and worked for me:
As I got into bed I watched a video of wanted I wanted to dream of to get me pumped and excited. Then I got cocky with myself and said I was born with the skill to lucid dream, I dont even have to think about it. Just like im breathing automatically the lucid dreams the same way. Worked

I don't understand how to actually do this. Like, do you repeat a mantra before bed? I don't get it, it sounds like you just know you will become lucid, but thats basically doing nothing at all. Could someone please explain how to actually have a lucid without trying... or w/e this is.

I think rynkrt3, it's basically telling yourself over and over you are the best at lucid dreaming and you can and do have them whenever you want. You don't say it over and over until it is drummed into your head, you just have to at least pretend you believe it. Like deltz said, act all cocky and confident, that "Yeah, lucid dreaming is easy, I'm not worried or concerned about whether or not I will have one tonight, because I will have one. I have been practicing and trying and so now there is no way I won't have one tonight".

Just pretend you know you will have one. Think of it like your subconscious is listening to you, and is trying to do it's best to do what you want (it is actually). If it hears that you are a master lucid dreamer and you're going to have one tonight, it will try to have one, rather than just happen across one when you lay in bed at 4 in the morning not moving.

Originally Posted by Origami

I think rynkrt3, it's basically telling yourself over and over you are the best at lucid dreaming and you can and do have them whenever you want. You don't say it over and over until it is drummed into your head, you just have to at least pretend you believe it. Like deltz said, act all cocky and confident, that "Yeah, lucid dreaming is easy, I'm not worried or concerned about whether or not I will have one tonight, because I will have one. I have been practicing and trying and so now there is no way I won't have one tonight".

Just pretend you know you will have one. Think of it like your subconscious is listening to you, and is trying to do it's best to do what you want (it is actually). If it hears that you are a master lucid dreamer and you're going to have one tonight, it will try to have one, rather than just happen across one when you lay in bed at 4 in the morning not moving.

Well, that is exactly what I have been doing for over a month, and it has yet to give me any results.

Originally Posted by rynkrt3

Well, that is exactly what I have been doing for over a month, and it has yet to give me any results.

Tell me exactly what you done and thought to yourself.

Remember it takes about a month to create new neural pathways in the brain (habits) so this isn't something that makes it all happen over night.

Originally Posted by Raspberry

Tell me exactly what you done and thought to yourself.

Remember it takes about a month to create new neural pathways in the brain (habits) so this isn't something that makes it all happen over night.

Basically I would just tell myself before bed that I knew I would have a lucid, and not give it much thought. I really don't understand how to do this.

Could you explain to me what you do for this method?

Originally Posted by rynkrt3

Basically I would just tell myself before bed that I knew I would have a lucid, and not give it much thought. I really don't understand how to do this.

Could you explain to me what you do for this method?

Sure

Basically what SilverBullet is teaching is that using your subconscious mind is pretty much essential to lucid dreaming. And I believe it is.

The majority of your mind (5/6ths I think it is) is subconscious. Your subconscious is affected by every thought you think, and it works at making those thoughts your reality. Lucid dreaming is all in the mind, so the practice should be in the mind too, right? This technique is to create a mindset that you absolutely will lucid dream every night without fail, and then your subconscious will make that happen.

To get your subconscious working in your favour, you need to think a positive thought in the present tense, with positive emotion attatched to it and a strong visualisation. Something along the lines of "I have many lucid dreams every night that was long and clear". Whilest thinking this, imagine yourself becoming lucid in a dream (try and imagine it in as much detail as possible) and carrying out your goals. Really convince yourself. If it's not true, lie to yourself. Force yourself to never think "I can't lucid dream." "I'm a newbie at lucid dreaming."

Believe you are a master. Have you ever told a lie so many times that after awhile even you start to believe it? This is what you're doing. You're making yourself believe whole-heartedly that you can consistantly lucid dream whilest also making your subconscious work towards it to instead of against you. Because if you think "I can't lucid dream" it will believe that, and it will work to make sure you do not lucid dream. And remember what I said about how it takes a month to form a habit (new neural pathways in the brain that fire off neurons more easily the more you think it).

Another important message in this tutorial is to not try so damn hard. So many people overwork themselves when it comes to lucid dreaming and then when they stop they start getting them. Don't stress relax.

You're always relaxed because you're a master lucid dreamer, right?

I hope that helps you.

Well then it's going nowhere for you. Give up on this one, it isn't working for you. A month, even 2 weeks would have told you without a doubt that it wasn't for you. You need to feel like you are doing something, actually taking steps to your goal. I could suggest a whole heap of methods for you, but you will know better than me.

At least we know now that this one isn't compatible with you.

Hm, when you wake up and before you go to bed is best. But pretty much whenever you catch yourself negatively thinking about lding correct it

Originally Posted by Raspberry

Hm, when you wake up and before you go to bed is best. But pretty much whenever you catch yourself negatively thinking about lding correct it

How long have you been using this method?

Originally Posted by rynkrt3

How long have you been using this method?

It's more of a mindset than a method. I done it for about a week and got 3 lucids but stopped because i've been busy. I plan to start up again over the summer.

Think of it this way. Before I began lucid dreaming I had experienced 0. Through kinda knowing I can lucid dream (though not to the standard this tutorial suggests) i've gotten 33 this year with no techniques at all except keeping an irregular dj. No WBTB, no WILDs, no reality checking.. nothing. It shows how your thinking works. When you improve your thinking you'll improve how many lucids you get.

That's what I think anyway

Originally Posted by Raspberry

It's more of a mindset than a method. I done it for about a week and got 3 lucids but stopped because i've been busy. I plan to start up again over the summer.

Think of it this way. Before I began lucid dreaming I had experienced 0. Through kinda knowing I can lucid dream (though not to the standard this tutorial suggests) i've gotten 33 this year with no techniques at all except keeping an irregular dj. No WBTB, no WILDs, no reality checking.. nothing. It shows how your thinking works. When you improve your thinking you'll improve how many lucids you get.

That's what I think anyway

I understand this, sort of. When you say your thinking can effect your lucid dreaming. And that you will start this back up, what do you mean by that? Am I supposed to be "Constantly" thinking " I am a lucid dreaming master" all the time? It confused me when you said start this back up, as if it takes time to think about it... I have no idea.

Think of it this way Rynkrt3:

Don't think about it. Just do it, alright? Don't think when you need to do it, don't set alarms to remind you, don't stress.

Just. Do it.

Even though I did say to you to give up on it, what did you do?

You didn't.

Thats half the battle won. You see it in yourself the capability to do this one.

Rynkrt, lets try something else. Lets just get rid of step 2 all together for you and do step 3. Stop focusing on how to become lucid, stop focusing on how to believe you are a master lucid dreamer, just focus on what you want to do in your dream. Like for me, my goal is to go to this place again.
Focus completely on what you want to do, at least for now. We are just experimenting to find out if it works for you, because obviously the regular way just isn't working. When you are going to do a lucid, when your in your bed don't even think about how your going to be aware in the dream. Only thing you should be focusing on is what you want to happen when you are dreaming.

Originally Posted by SilverBullet

Rynkrt, lets try something else. Lets just get rid of step 2 all together for you and do step 3. Stop focusing on how to become lucid, stop focusing on how to believe you are a master lucid dreamer, just focus on what you want to do in your dream. Like for me, my goal is to go to this place again.
Focus completely on what you want to do, at least for now. We are just experimenting to find out if it works for you, because obviously the regular way just isn't working. When you are going to do a lucid, when your in your bed don't even think about how your going to be aware in the dream. Only thing you should be focusing on is what you want to happen when you are dreaming.

Sounds good, I'll give it a go.

Originally Posted by rynkrt3

Sounds good, I'll give it a go.

And if you can, I would wake up every 2 hours If you really want a lucid dream.