A new hope (for me) -SSILD

[illusionust]

So I recently learned about SSILD. I am going to try this tonight, I hope. I want to know if anybody has any good words/praise or tips about SILDing. Please keep in mind that I am a novice LDer

[gab]

Please check out this huge SSILD thread. http://www.dreamviews.com/induction-...eam-ssild.html I can't offer any advise, sorry, since I don't practice it. All I can recommend that you start with basic technique or method, before going into something like SSILD. You still need to know the process, how stuff works and why. No method is going to work, if you lack basic knowledge. LD methods for beginners WILD detailed

[illusionust]

Thanks for the info, but I see you are misguided. Nobody knows why SSILD works. I am quite aware of what and how to do it I was asking for tips, not places to look and a lil' birdie (YOU, AND THAT LINK RIGHT THERE THAT YOU SENT ME) told me that this is EASY for beginners b/c it doesn't require that much finesse. I want to do SSILD b/c DEILDs are very hard for me. With this method I can pee, then go lucid. You get me now?

[gab]

Thanks for the info, but I see you are misguided. Nobody knows why SSILD works. I am quite aware of what and how to do it I was asking for tips, not places to look and a lil' birdie (YOU, AND THAT LINK RIGHT THERE THAT YOU SENT ME) told me that this is EASY for beginners b/c it doesn't require that much finesse. I want to do SSILD b/c DEILDs are very hard for me. With this method I can pee, then go lucid. You get me now? I don't understand what you point is. You asked for tips on SSILD and I linked you to 29 pages of just that. And I have no idea where I told that it's easy. If you noticed, I didn't write the SSILD tutorial, which says it's easy.

[Ksero]

Thanks for the info, but I see you are misguided. Nobody knows why SSILD works. I am quite aware of what and how to do it I was asking for tips, not places to look and a lil' birdie (YOU, AND THAT LINK RIGHT THERE THAT YOU SENT ME) told me that this is EASY for beginners b/c it doesn't require that much finesse. I want to do SSILD b/c DEILDs are very hard for me. With this method I can pee, then go lucid. You get me now? If you can't lucid dream normally than what makes you think this will be any different, most people put weeks or months into trying a technique before they get significant success. All the tips for SSILD have been posted in that thread, and further questions should be asked there, unless there is a specific aspect that you wish to know about in more detail. You are basically saying I'm too lazy to read through the 29 pages to find tips, and I should get special treatment over everyone else. The thing about SSILD is there aren't really to many tricks to it. If you can't WILD or DEILD, this will barely help you, as most of the time it can only get you to the sleep paralysis stage, or "prime" you for a DILD in the next REM period. The technique itself is not difficult, but achieving a lucid dream using only this technique is, as gab said, you need the knowledge on how to LD before you try to take any shortcuts.

[gab]

If you can't lucid dream normally than what makes you think this will be any different, most people put weeks or months into trying a technique before they get significant success. Well put Ksero. The biggest problem is, when people try to take a shortcut to an "easy" technique. They don't understand, that there is no such thing. Or better said, every technique will be easier, once you learn the basics. And basics are the same for every technique. Awareness, RCs, mental preparation, familiarize yourself with the whole process, how it feels and such, why are things happening... But if anyone thinks, he can just lay down and get a LD without any mental preparation and practice, he will be unpleasantly surprised. Sure, you can get a stray LD because of excitement, but to have them consistently, you have to practice. You only get out of it what you put into it.

[yost]

Well put Ksero. The biggest problem is, when people try to take a shortcut to an "easy" technique. They don't understand, that there is no such thing. Or better said, every technique will be easier, once you learn the basics. And basics are the same for every technique. Awareness, RCs, mental preparation, familiarize yourself with the whole process, how it feels and such, why are things happening... But if anyone thinks, he can just lay down and get a LD without any mental preparation and practice, he will be unpleasantly surprised. Sure, you can get a stray LD because of excitement, but to have them consistently, you have to practice. You only get out of it what you put into it. And where exactly did I say that I didn't know the basics? And from where did you think that I am shortcutting? This is the seemingly optimal technique for a person like me. The point is awareness! Everybody does reality checks! Believe me, I am quite familiar with the "whole process"! And from where did you think that I just want to "lay down and get a LD without any mental preparation and practice"? Who told you that? See Gab, the thing is...Don't assume, it makes an Ass of U and Me. Think about it.

[melanieb]

Thanks for the info, but I see you are misguided. Nobody knows why SSILD works. I am quite aware of what and how to do it I was asking for tips, not places to look and a lil' birdie (YOU, AND THAT LINK RIGHT THERE THAT YOU SENT ME) told me that this is EASY for beginners b/c it doesn't require that much finesse. You indicate that gab may be misinformed but on the forum we know her as one of the best lucid dreaming minds around. If you choose not to listen to her advice then it's you who are losing out on some great experience and wisdom. It's part of the reason we made her a moderator in the first place. And where exactly did I say that I didn't know the basics? Please keep in mind that I am a novice LDer Right there you mention your novice status. Admittedly you didn't say you don't know the basics but gab was merely informing you that it's best to be grounded in the basics of lucid dreaming before trying any technique. Since you know what you're doing, great, have a good time! And from where did you think that I am shortcutting? This is the seemingly optimal technique for a person like me. The point is awareness! Everybody does reality checks! Believe me, I am quite familiar with the "whole process"! Your post indicated you just learned about it, and as a novice it's normal for us to believe you may be reaching for a shortcut to a LD. We see it often. And from where did you think that I just want to "lay down and get a LD without any mental preparation and practice"? Who told you that? Again, just the idea that you are a novice. See Gab, the thing is...Don't assume, it makes an Ass of U and Me. Think about it. What we've seen is you making assumptions as much as you claim she did. In all honesty, you merely misread her post from the first reply and got offended when she pointed you to the thread full of technique and tips from everyone's experiences. As far as I can tell that just highlights your position as a novice. BTW, please do not insult staff. They work hard and don't get paid for it. If you have any issue you can take it up in PM or the Talk To Staff section. Pleasant dreams!

[Sensei]

@Illusionist. I practice SSILD, but on and off, because I find that there is a certain mood (it is a weird thing to describe) that it requires you to get into. It is more difficult the less LDs you have, and the mood is easier reached the more you have. It is good to do, but it doesn't seem to work well by itself. :/ I would recommend checking out another tech that compliments SSILD, so that you can try and SSILD if you feel like you can get into the mood, but if not you are still doing your tech! This is a good one I have found helps me out. http://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-...technique.html Seems really simple, uses basics that you know... etc. three major points about it though, one of them she points out. consistency The more nights you do it in a row, the better it is, and the more LDs you have had from it, the better. So you might not have any LDs from it for a while, but after 30 days you might have one, and the next time it will only be after two weeks, and the next one a week, etc. Tired Doing any sort of autosuggestion when you are tired is like trying to cut down a tree with a rusty axe. Oh, it is possible, but it is a lot harder. Gotta keep trying the tech, gotta keep sleeping 8 hours a night. WBTB So she says that if you can wake up naturally it is best. Very true. If you wake up naturally and then get up, pee, write in a DJ, meditate, or whatever the crap you want it will increase your recall, awareness, and vividness of dreams. Alarm clocks don't seem to have this effect, because they jolt you awake instead of your body preparing itself to wake up naturally. ALL THIS ASIDE! Doing Autosuggestion during a WBTB is really really effective. So what you can do is: Try to get better at autosuggestion by waking up in the middle of the night before whatever alarm you have. Try SSILD until you get a few and get the feel of it down. Then some nights on your SSILD attempts you should realize that you are not getting in the "zone" and you can switch to some autosuggestion! It is great! Big tip on cycles I have found helpful is to do smaller cycles at first and then get them longer, but it is really up to you to experiment with what works for you in this. Good luck. Hope this long winded reply helps.

[yost]

@Illusionist. I practice SSILD, but on and off, because I find that there is a certain mood (it is a weird thing to describe) that it requires you to get into. It is more difficult the less LDs you have, and the mood is easier reached the more you have. It is good to do, but it doesn't seem to work well by itself. :/ I would recommend checking out another tech that compliments SSILD, so that you can try and SSILD if you feel like you can get into the mood, but if not you are still doing your tech! This is a good one I have found helps me out.... Thank you very much, Mr. BrandonBoss! This is exactly the kind of information I was looking for! It certainly will be helpful for the future! Now to get on with reading that post! Oh and btw, I am illusionust, just apparently I created this account a year ago and now illusionust is labeled an 'alternative account'.

[Sensei]

Thank you very much, Mr. BrandonBoss! This is exactly the kind of information I was looking for! It certainly will be helpful for the future! Now to get on with reading that post! Oh and btw, I am illusionust, just apparently I created this account a year ago and now illusionust is labeled an 'alternative account'. Glad to help. Alt accounts are very not welcome here. Looks like they got you on track though and got you back to your original account. Good luck LDing. Feel free to ask me any more questions you have.

[Sivason]

Gab is going to be one of your most valuable resources if you are around long. She is also very polite and very bright. Let's start over, maybe she can be your friend?

[gab]

Sivason, no, I'm still too young. Don't be giving me away!