Thread: FA's: Do Most DEILDs Actually Occur During False Awakenings? Do FA's Have a Purpose?

Originally Posted by StephL

Hm - interesting - the first sounds like wanting to wake up to hold on to this knowledge.
And these loops of FAs over FAs over more sound horrible - is that a common phenomenon?

It sure is for me! I think I've heard it mentioned now and again, though...

Originally Posted by StephL

How do you mean this with the different types of FA?

I could see differentiating between some of the different kinds that we have discussed in here or like Sageous' distinct examples. More simply you could differentiate between FAs that occur in a manner that makes some sense and ones that make no sense at all. One of mine, I woke up in work area had a little interaction with a co-worker, but realized it was strange that I was laying down at work and became lucid...these seem more rare than waking up in a previous place you might have slept (childhood home, friends or relatives home, etc). Wikipedia references a Celia Green that has lucid dreaming experience and proposed two types of FAs "Type 1" and "Type 2." False awakening - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So - it is something your dream-generator throws up.
Maybe because this generator gets put off the usual track by the fact, that you are dreaming lucidly.
Even if not in that instant but only often ..

What I mean is - there is not somebody with an intention to hinder, there just are unusual data - unusual cognitive content stemming from lucidity.
Up to more regions in the brain being active while LD.
At the same time as these unusual phenomena take place - your automatic dream-generator has to go on working, if you do not take on total and full control.

So - presented with unusual inputs, which resemble waking life - it throws up waking life onset as the dream.

This makes a lot of sense to me! Perhaps we are getting somewhere in figuring out FAs!

This seems to me implicitly to mean, that there is also only minimal clearance in REM - even if they do not mention it as such.

This is what I was hoping! We had a member on DV that decided to give up on lucid dreaming citing an article regarding that exact study as a primary reason.

What I didn´t know - just read now - our total REM time starts out with 9 hours as newborns - and towards the eighth year - it goes down to about three hours, and does not change much from then on (German Wikipedia).

Too late for me...too late for my son...perhaps grandkids in the future...

Originally Posted by anotherdreamer

Sorry, this is totally off topic, but I just had to respond to what Steph said.

No worries at all and welcome anotherdreamer! My father told me about it as a way to fight off nightmares but I don't think he LD'ed very often so once I conquered my nightmares we didn't really talk about it again until recently...Long story short, I didn't get back into LD'ing until decades later (just 10 months ago). You are lucky!

Originally Posted by Sageous

It sure is for me! I think I've heard it mentioned now and again, though...

I have seen other examples like yours as well here on DV but it doesn't seem to be very common and I haven't had a repeating FA so far.

If there were a mechanism, a natural mechanism, to thwart (destroy) self-awareness in dreams (after, of course, a dreamer cleared all the other mechanisms that seem to be in place to thwart LD'ing), the basic structure of FA's seems to exemplify it.

This was definitely one of my concerns when starting this thread. I want to find a way to counter the FAs, though I might think twice about doing that if they have an important purpose and are not just filling in a gap in our dreams.