Thread: NEW and EFFECTIVE method to Lucid Dream! (CILD)

It seems to be at least a good discussion. Should MILD revolve around doing reality checks when there are specific dream cues, or when there is some activity that occur in both dreams and waking life. Probably both right?

Originally Posted by Avalokiteshvara

It seems to be at least a good discussion. Should MILD revolve around doing reality checks when there are specific dream cues, or when there is some activity that occur in both dreams and waking life. Probably both right?

As a Prospective Memory promoter, MILD can influence your performance on the use of any kind of elements: if you become great at doing lists so you don't forget stuff, it doesn't matter what's in the list, anything works!

Regarding specific dream cues, dream signs offer the same problem as they always did: regardless of your ability to spot them and associate them with reality checks, you're essentially relying on specific cues that might not always show up.
As opposed to that, using universal dream signs (like in the DIPE system) guarantees that there's always a scenario where the cue is there: 70% of dreams showing negative emotions like stress or anxiety is a pretty huge number, irregularities must always be present at some level, people are a natural product of us being social animals, and displacement is also another classic dream characteristic.)

I'd say you should also integrate specific cues but based on some factors that are usually disregarded: Steph L and some of us were arguing about how dream content is represented actually a few days after the event with impact occurred (as opposed to in the next night): it was an interesting discussion, but I can't find the thread :x

Originally Posted by Zoth

As a Prospective Memory promoter, MILD can influence your performance on the use of any kind of elements: if you become great at doing lists so you don't forget stuff, it doesn't matter what's in the list, anything works!

Regarding specific dream cues, dream signs offer the same problem as they always did: regardless of your ability to spot them and associate them with reality checks, you're essentially relying on specific cues that might not always show up.http://www.dreamviews.com/newreply.p...eply&p=2117326
As opposed to that, using universal dream signs (like in the DIPE system) guarantees that there's always a scenario where the cue is there: 70% of dreams showing negative emotions like stress or anxiety is a pretty huge number, irregularities must always be present at some level, people are a natural product of us being social animals, and displacement is also another classic dream characteristic.)

I'd say you should also integrate specific cues but based on some factors that are usually disregarded: Steph L and some of us were arguing about how dream content is represented actually a few days after the event with impact occurred (as opposed to in the next night): it was an interesting discussion, but I can't find the thread :x

When using things like this, why do people lean towards things like anxiety or things like this? There are plenty of things that show up in every LD and in waking at all times. look at hukif gravity or mylynes "breathing and blinking" as something that they connect from dreams to waking 100% of the time. Most naturals have something similar as well. A RC that is always present.

Originally Posted by Sensei

When using things like this, why do people lean towards things like anxiety or things like this? There are plenty of things that show up in every LD and in waking at all times. look at hukif gravity or mylynes "breathing and blinking" as something that they connect from dreams to waking 100% of the time. Most naturals have something similar as well. A RC that is always present.

Because they both are acquired habits. Regardless of what dream theory you follow, it's not imperative that the scenario shows specific details like full range of bodily functions: the dream's purpose is so much about events than the state of the individual, and since memory is a simulation process, then it's only natural for those minor details to be disregarded most of the times. Just to give you an example, I'm a chronic asthmatic sufferer, and it's not uncommon for me to seriously draw out of breath at least once a day. Even still, suffocating or troubles breathing is rarely an occurrence in my dreams.

When we talk about things like anxiety, we are basing ourselves in psychological dream theories: like memory formation or emotional regulation. Besides, we draw elements that are shown (by statistics) that have a high prevalence in dreams of everyone. The other good thing about emotions it's because they are extremely general: thousands of events can trigger a stress response, and that is illustrated by dreaming of fighting, avoiding, hiding, running away, confronting, etc.
Breathing deserves a special mention here: when I said it's an acquired habit, I meant "being aware of your breathing/blinking", but since our problem in dream recall is recalling whether we were breathing the whole time or not, we can't say for sure that it's prevalence isn't indeed as high (or even higher) than things like experiencing negative emotions. But when we include the function of breathing, we see why it can't be categorized as a universal dream sign: it's non-communicative. By this I mean that breathing is an automatic process that doesn't carry any information to other parts of the brain: it's just like heart beat (ofc, assuming natural levels). On the other hand, signs of anxiety ARE an attempt of communication: they are a response function (you don't feel happy out of nowhere).

This leads us to other vital strength of emotions: since they aren't persistent (like feelings), they can be more easily traced to specific agents. Last night I became lucid because of awareness to my happiness derived from a gift. Breathing/blinking is something my body does every time, making it much harder to notice....but joy, it must always have a root: it was the fact that I rationalized over that specific joy that made me lucid. Unlike breathing/blinking, we are not evolutionary designed to ignore emotions: on the contrary, you can quickly detect a high range of symptoms that can tell you that you're afraid.

PS: The question to me is never "should you use universal dream signs or specific ones?", because acquired habits will eventually sink in (this explains Hukif's gravity RC), but "what are the most reliable dream signs to use as cues?". That said, it's obvious that the best ones are the ones with the highest frequency and the least reliable on external factors (aka, the most independent ones regardless of the variables of dream content).

Originally Posted by Zoth

Because they both are acquired habits. Regardless of what dream theory you follow, it's not imperative that the scenario shows specific details like full range of bodily functions: the dream's purpose is so much about events than the state of the individual, and since memory is a simulation process, then it's only natural for those minor details to be disregarded most of the times. Just to give you an example, I'm a chronic asthmatic sufferer, and it's not uncommon for me to seriously draw out of breath at least once a day. Even still, suffocating or troubles breathing is rarely an occurrence in my dreams.

When we talk about things like anxiety, we are basing ourselves in psychological dream theories: like memory formation or emotional regulation. Besides, we draw elements that are shown (by statistics) that have a high prevalence in dreams of everyone. The other good thing about emotions it's because they are extremely general: thousands of events can trigger a stress response, and that is illustrated by dreaming of fighting, avoiding, hiding, running away, confronting, etc.
Breathing deserves a special mention here: when I said it's an acquired habit, I meant "being aware of your breathing/blinking", but since our problem in dream recall is recalling whether we were breathing the whole time or not, we can't say for sure that it's prevalence isn't indeed as high (or even higher) than things like experiencing negative emotions. But when we include the function of breathing, we see why it can't be categorized as a universal dream sign: it's non-communicative. By this I mean that breathing is an automatic process that doesn't carry any information to other parts of the brain: it's just like heart beat (ofc, assuming natural levels). On the other hand, signs of anxiety ARE an attempt of communication: they are a response function (you don't feel happy out of nowhere).

This leads us to other vital strength of emotions: since they aren't persistent (like feelings), they can be more easily traced to specific agents. Last night I became lucid because of awareness to my happiness derived from a gift. Breathing/blinking is something my body does every time, making it much harder to notice....but joy, it must always have a root: it was the fact that I rationalized over that specific joy that made me lucid. Unlike breathing/blinking, we are not evolutionary designed to ignore emotions: on the contrary, you can quickly detect a high range of symptoms that can tell you that you're afraid.

PS: The question to me is never "should you use universal dream signs or specific ones?", because acquired habits will eventually sink in (this explains Hukif's gravity RC), but "what are the most reliable dream signs to use as cues?". That said, it's obvious that the best ones are the ones with the highest frequency and the least reliable on external factors (aka, the most independent ones regardless of the variables of dream content).

Beautifully explained!
Might these be the cues that cause the "next time I'm dreaming" cue? As explained in the OP, when I'm dreaming isn't a cue, but add to it these elements of powerful emotions (70% of dreams), and next time I'm dreaming actually has a uniqueness, or is it because our PM indeed does know when we are dreaming?