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      Running out of ideas

      Hello everyone, first off happy new year (though it may be a bit late).

      Quick list of abbreviations for those that aren't that familiar with them yet

      WILD: Wake Induced Lucid Dream
      DILD: Dream Induced Lucid Dream
      DEILD: Dream Exit Induced Lucid Dream
      SSILD: Senses Initiated Lucid Dream
      ADA: All Day Awareness

      Okay so far I have around 22 LD's after 2 years of constant "go for it, stop for a while, go for it, stop for a while" and a year of actual training (mostly in dream recall though).

      I've tried the following:

      Reality checks: Worked out somewhat, wasn't all that worth it though)
      WILD: Did not work at all
      DEILD: Did not work at all, mostly because I tend to instantly fall asleep whatever I do when I wake up during the night
      SSILD: Did not work for me after trying for more than a month
      ADA: Never managed to keep it up for long, but ever since trying it I've had random LD's every now and again

      So in reality, only DILDs have ever done anything for me and even then I just haven't had any good results from ADA for the effort I put into it. I was wondering if anybody out there is struggling like me and if people have suggestions. Whatever the outcome though I plan to keep going until I grow too old to remember anything at all .

      Thanks in advance!
      I may not be there yet, but I'm closer than I was yesterday.

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      Consistency. Most of us do dream work every day, whether it be DJing, daily awareness, WILD attempts--whatever. If you take long breaks in between bouts of interest, you aren't giving time for the practices to become a lifestyle.

      Try this: Puffin's DILD Guide - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

      Good luck. I would also recommend starting a workbook in the DILD class. FryingMan and fogelbise are awesome teachers.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ThreeCat View Post
      Consistency. Most of us do dream work every day, whether it be DJing, daily awareness, WILD attempts--whatever. If you take long breaks in between bouts of interest, you aren't giving time for the practices to become a lifestyle.

      Try this: Puffin's DILD Guide - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

      Good luck. I would also recommend starting a workbook in the DILD class. FryingMan and fogelbise are awesome teachers.
      Thanks for the advice, but when you speak of consistency, do you mean that even times when life gets stressful (aka exams for students or busy days for people at work) you don't drop LDing for a while? I always figured that during these times my dream recall would be too shitty and I'd be better off focusing on the important stuff. Unfortunately I've had too many of these since I'm a student so I had to drop LDing too many times.

      So far, however, I have maintained a reasonable degree of focus of LDing over the past year and I'm noticing increasing results in dream recall compared to before but no actual increase in lucid dream frequency.
      I may not be there yet, but I'm closer than I was yesterday.

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      hmmm... You actually got 2 wrong.

      WILD: Wake Initiated Lucid Dream
      DILD: Dream Initiated Lucid Dream

      There are only two methods for a lucid dream, but there are unlimited techniques. The best technique that I have found as a base is:
      http://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-...technique.html

      Here is a podcast I made about finding your own path.
      http://www.dreamviews.com/dreamviews...ml#post2138603

      Here is a good thread about the essentials about LDing:
      http://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-...cid-dream.html

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
      hmmm... You actually got 2 wrong.

      WILD: Wake Initiated Lucid Dream
      DILD: Dream Initiated Lucid Dream

      There are only two methods for a lucid dream, but there are unlimited techniques. The best technique that I have found as a base is:
      http://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-...technique.html

      Here is a podcast I made about finding your own path.
      http://www.dreamviews.com/dreamviews...ml#post2138603

      Here is a good thread about the essentials about LDing:
      http://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-...cid-dream.html
      My bad, it's been a while since I actually heard the full term but I'm convinced it comes down to the same thing.

      Thanks for the links, I'll have a good read through them.
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      Good luck.
      Quote Originally Posted by ThreeCat View Post
      would also recommend starting a workbook in the DILD class. FryingMan and fogelbise are awesome teachers.
      ^^^ THIS!!
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      What's the workbook in the DILD class all about exactly? If it's theory I'm all up there but the actual techniques just don't seem to do it for me.
      I may not be there yet, but I'm closer than I was yesterday.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Aziq View Post
      Thanks for the advice, but when you speak of consistency, do you mean that even times when life gets stressful (aka exams for students or busy days for people at work) you don't drop LDing for a while? I always figured that during these times my dream recall would be too shitty and I'd be better off focusing on the important stuff. Unfortunately I've had too many of these since I'm a student so I had to drop LDing too many times.

      So far, however, I have maintained a reasonable degree of focus of LDing over the past year and I'm noticing increasing results in dream recall compared to before but no actual increase in lucid dream frequency.
      Yes, I mean not dropping the practice entirely. The same can be said for any practice. If you want to be a skilled lucid dreamer, but only practice when free time appears, you will never be very good (barring innate ability). On the other hand, if you sincerely make an effort to maintain a maintenance level of awareness and reality checks, as well as performing autosuggestion for a few minutes before bed, you'll be able to pick up where you left off once time allows. Otherwise you will spend all of your free time just getting back to baseline.

      Lucid dreaming is almost entirely practice-based. Theory is nice, but at some point it has to be put into action. The DILD class is mostly practice, but you have skilled LDers to help you along the way. Check out some of the workbooks:

      http://www.dreamviews.com/dild/15493...-workbook.html

      http://www.dreamviews.com/dild/14763...-workbook.html
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      Quote Originally Posted by Aziq View Post
      What's the workbook in the DILD class all about exactly? If it's theory I'm all up there but the actual techniques just don't seem to do it for me.
      On the contrary, you're probably thinking about LDing in the wrong way, which is preventing you from taking effective action.
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      Always, no sometimes think it's me,
      But you know I know when it's a dream
      I think I know I mean a yes
      But it's all wrong
      That is I think I disagree

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ctharlhie View Post
      On the contrary, you're probably thinking about LDing in the wrong way, which is preventing you from taking effective action.
      Well, LDing in general is not my profession, but rather a spare-time activity. Therefore I have to accept what others bring forth in terms of theory, of which I have read plenty. Could you explain in greater detail what you mean? If I really do think about LDing in the wrong way I'd like to adjust that.
      I may not be there yet, but I'm closer than I was yesterday.

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      I may have the wrong end of the stick, but from your posts it seems like you believe that it is the techniques that get you lucid when they are only vehicles for the fundamentals, awareness and memory. How much time are you spending each day working on awareness and dream memory?
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      I am well aware what actually matters but I do not see how those lack for me because I spend the walking part of my travels (which equals about 15 minutes) and whenever I remember to do so and I have time for it while working being mindful and aware. I'm not ultra-aware as to noticing each and every single detail around me but aware enough to check for the dream feeling and reality checks and noticing things I did not notice before. I also do not spend a set amount of time being aware/mindful, so it varies from day to day.
      I may not be there yet, but I'm closer than I was yesterday.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Aziq View Post
      Well, LDing in general is not my profession, but rather a spare-time activity. Therefore I have to accept what others bring forth in terms of theory, of which I have read plenty. Could you explain in greater detail what you mean? If I really do think about LDing in the wrong way I'd like to adjust that.
      As far as I know, lding is a hobby for all of us on here. I do all lding and dream views things in my spare time. I however can say that you get out of it what you put in to learning it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
      As far as I know, lding is a hobby for all of us on here. I do all lding and dream views things in my spare time. I however can say that you get out of it what you put in to learning it.
      I guess what I learned today is, I'm probably not spending enough time into LDing instead of picking the right plan of attack.

      To each of you who stayed with me to help out, thank you so much for your effort and advice. I've got some thinking to do for now.
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      Your post is making it sound like LDing is a job and techniques are tools you use to get the job done before your boss comes in to yell at you.

      Try to remember a time when you did something just for fun, like if you've ever gone for a run or bicycling, or drawing or whatever and you feel the air rushing past you, the feeling of freedom and energy and no effort whatsoever.

      LDing is like that, you go to bed excited about all the cool dreams you're going to have, even if they're not lucid or just the comfort of your warm bed on a cold day. You wake up after 6 or so hours of sleep and go to the bathroom, rinse the crust from your eyes (WBTB) and excitedly fall back into bed ready for your big WILD / DILD adventure because you're going to give lucid dreaming a shot now!

      Then you wake up in the morning and maybe you didn't get a lucid, but you remember the awesome dream you had where you fought the Loch Ness monster and you write it down in your journal because you don't want to forget how you poked Nessy in the eye.

      That's lucid dreaming.
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      I think you might have a point Memm.

      I don't know why or how, but the last 5 to 8 LD's I remember I didn't feel a shred of excitement when I became lucid. Nor did I try anything amazing or w/e I just kinda accepted that I was dreaming and shortly afterwards woke up or lost lucidity. I don't understand where my excitement went, it just dissapeared over time or something. I'm just really confused at the moment..

      Anyone else recognize this?
      I may not be there yet, but I'm closer than I was yesterday.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Aziq View Post
      Quick list of abbreviations for those that aren't that familiar with them yet

      WILD: Wake Induced Lucid Dream
      DILD: Dream Induced Lucid Dream
      Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
      hmmm... You actually got 2 wrong.

      WILD: Wake Initiated Lucid Dream
      DILD: Dream Initiated Lucid Dream
      Surely these are valid variants. "Induced" means "bring about or give rise to" and "initiated" means "cause (a process or action) to begin." I'm just using Google's definitions since I'm not at home and don't have access to my OED, but they seem sufficiently synonymous. The acronyms work out the same, so there doesn't seem any reason to quibble about the specific verb in play, so long as everyone understands what is meant.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Aziq View Post
      I think you might have a point Memm.

      I don't know why or how, but the last 5 to 8 LD's I remember I didn't feel a shred of excitement when I became lucid. Nor did I try anything amazing or w/e I just kinda accepted that I was dreaming and shortly afterwards woke up or lost lucidity. I don't understand where my excitement went, it just dissapeared over time or something. I'm just really confused at the moment..

      Anyone else recognize this?
      I feel like this sometimes as well for sure, by reminding you of being excited about lucid dreaming I was also reminding myself. =]

      How you feel when you fall asleep going to bed is how you will during the night and when you wake up is what I think, so a lot of our practice really needs to be done before bed, so gather up some excitement before going to sleep and it should stay with you.

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      Use my MTGTLD (Mantra Thought Guide To Lucid Dreaming)

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      Quote Originally Posted by blazingnyancat View Post
      Use my MTGTLD (Mantra Thought Guide To Lucid Dreaming)
      Can you send me a link?
      I may not be there yet, but I'm closer than I was yesterday.

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      escape the cycle of thinking where you believe a random technique will make you lucid. Practice the fundamentals, only you make you lucid.

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      ^^ Watch this video. I had only a few minor LDs in December, and after watching this video I've had 2 LDs in 3 days (one TOTM-worthy, and one short KILD today). It's messaqe is really important. It's all up to YOU. You don't need more TTTs! (tips/tricks/techniques).

      If you've been studying LDing for any amount of time, you almost 100% know all you need to know already.

      + always build more dream recall, always, you never have enough

      + learn how to relax/ fall asleep upon demand

      + daytime awareness work

      + WBTB, learn to love it (notice wakings during the night)

      + be excited! Know that every night is another opportunity to recall more awesome dreams and to get lucid!
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      Quote Originally Posted by Ctharlhie View Post
      escape the cycle of thinking where you believe a random technique will make you lucid. Practice the fundamentals, only you make you lucid.
      Thanks, I'll be sure to watch the video.

      Fryingman, how exactly did you change after watching the video? You say after having only minor LDs in a month you went to multiple LDs in 3 days but what changed you to cause that?
      I've always worked on dream recall, because I am indeed aware that dream recall can always improve and theres no reason to stop and be satisfied at 1 dream per day or so. WBTB isn't really my thing though because WILDs just don't work for me. I do enjoy waking up in the middle of the night, realizing I still have 4 hours until I need to get up and just relax and recall any recent dreams. As for excitement, as mentioned above I kinda lost my excitement but I believe there's still a thread floating around where people share their ideas of goals in LDs, might have a look through that too.

      Thanks, both of you I really do appreciate the help you offer and the time you spend helping me out.
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      The main help is to realize where I need to place my faith: in myself! Not in searching out yet another tip/trick/technique. And to keep that excitement going.

      WBTB is *not* just for WILD! With WBTB you can reinforce your goals, re-set your intentions to get lucid, and bring more waking awareness back into the dream state than if you had just slept right on through until morning. The great majority of the WBTBers that I know are 95%+ DILDers.

      I, too, am not a fan of being awake at night. In fact I blew 1/2 a night of sleep just last night after not being able to get back to sleep on a WBTB. OK, so, that's a data point, I'll stay up less time next time. Micro-WBTB s are probably the right thing for me but I'm trying to find the balance.

      But looking back at the times I had the most LDs, it was when I had a high level of excitement and confidence, and yes, spending time awake during the night.
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      I'm not sure if most of my LDs were when I was most excited in LDing but I know for sure that they were most fun when when I was most excited. The LDs I've had recently have been rather dull. Being in a dream and suddenly realizing I was dreaming felt like how christmas morning felt when I was a kid. Nowadays they just give me a short feeling of proudness but that's kinda all there is to it.

      So technically, WBTB entails the whole concept of waking up and doing stuff related to LD and then going back to sleep? I always kinda thought it specifically meant the act of waking up, spending some time, going back to bed and WILDing. Perhaps it's a bit of an outdated definition or I just missed out on it somehow. What do you usually do when you WBTB then?
      I may not be there yet, but I'm closer than I was yesterday.

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