Thread: Gravity RC and recall

Originally Posted by DannyCool

When I jog the gravity is heavy. It is especially heavy going up a hill. These physical acts require effort that works with gravity. Each time I land on the ground I feel the gravity and then I have to push up out of it to keep going. Gravity, energy and physical strength must be linked. This maybe because I have no control over the elements and my control is limited to my body only?

It is not that you have limited control of your body, but rather that you are starting to control your "body". Remember that in a dream, the whole dream is your body no just the physical manifestation of it, so while it seems the physical part of it is limited, think that your body as a whole is not.

Originally Posted by Travis E.

This is an interesting idea. One of my long-term goals has been to gradually develop a fairly continuous sense of self-awareness as close to 24/7 as possible, throughout the day and night, though this currently doesn't necessarily mean a continuous RC (though I do RCs fairly frequently). If I understand the basic concept correctly, maybe it wouldn't be too hard to incorporate into my routine, simply doing it along with my usual trying to keep my general focus on my existence (self-awareness).

It's essentially about just learning to pay attention to and become familiar with how the body physically feels, correct? I guess it needn't be limited to gravity, but just generally paying attention to all the general sensations and learning to always be on the watch for inconsistencies.

Actually, I always tell people to find their "Natural" RC, something that works for their own dream world. Gravity works for me, but who dreams in the same way as other people do? So no reason to actually bother about this and just try the most natural thing for everytone. But yep, gravity RC is an excersice of self/awareness and mindfulness, to some degree.

It's essentially about just learning to pay attention to and become familiar with how the body physically feels, correct? I guess it needn't be limited to gravity, but just generally paying attention to all the general sensations and learning to always be on the watch for inconsistencies.

I think focusing on multiple sensations could be quite exhausting, well most ADA stuff is. That's why I like the gravity RC, because you only have to focus on one thing.

I concur here

It really would be nice to see others produce some results with this technique, quite honestly it is a mother to practice it I cannot emphasize how awesomely it will pay off.

I have made a thread in which i am posting my progress with this technique.I will be updating as soon as i am having some results.You can check it out.Actually i did this because i read one of your posts in an older thread.You mentioned back in that post that you wuould like to conduct an experiment with hukif and see peoples results with his techniqie.

Originally Posted by Hukif

Actually, I always tell people to find their "Natural" RC, something that works for their own dream world. Gravity works for me, but who dreams in the same way as other people do? So no reason to actually bother about this and just try the most natural thing for everytone. But yep, gravity RC is an excersice of self/awareness and mindfulness, to some degree.

That makes sense. There are a number of common themes and deviations from waking life in my own dreams that I should be fairly familiar with by now. It's just a matter of remembering to choose any of those and watch out for them, I think.

Hey,

I have decided to commit to this technique, gravity RC. I just have a few questions :

1- Do you also do this technique in bed? It kind of reminds me of SSILD, and I think it could be effective.

2- For me, I can feel the gravity of my whole body by noticing the pressure under my feet, while standing or walking. Is this a good practice? In other words, in dreams you don't feel that pressure, right? Can I rely solely on this to have lucid dreams?

Thanks a lot!

Originally Posted by Carbon

Hey,

I have decided to commit to this technique, gravity RC. I just have a few questions :

1- Do you also do this technique in bed? It kind of reminds me of SSILD, and I think it could be effective.

2- For me, I can feel the gravity of my whole body by noticing the pressure under my feet, while standing or walking. Is this a good practice? In other words, in dreams you don't feel that pressure, right? Can I rely solely on this to have lucid dreams?

Thanks a lot!

He does it all day.

I think mixing it with something else may alter your chance of becoming lucid in the future.il Im only assuming though. You can do your whole body, some beginners start of one with body part.

So, gravity is completely different in dreams, right? So when we learn this RC we are able to learn the different between which one is waking and which one is not.

I think it's all about conditioning the mind.

Originally Posted by Carbon

Hey,

I have decided to commit to this technique, gravity RC. I just have a few questions :

1- Do you also do this technique in bed? It kind of reminds me of SSILD, and I think it could be effective.

2- For me, I can feel the gravity of my whole body by noticing the pressure under my feet, while standing or walking. Is this a good practice? In other words, in dreams you don't feel that pressure, right? Can I rely solely on this to have lucid dreams?

Thanks a lot!

yay!

1.- I do this technique all day long, including during the night and also when I wake up between each dream.

2.- I rely solely on this, don't know about others but at least 4 people have used it to get nightly lucids. Remember that everyones dreams are different.

Originally Posted by tasinios

I have made a thread in which i am posting my progress with this technique.I will be updating as soon as i am having some results.You can check it out.Actually i did this because i read one of your posts in an older thread.You mentioned back in that post that you would like to conduct an experiment with Hukif and see peoples results with his technique.

It really would be cool to see others practice it because as Hukif stated everyone's dreams and results will be different so it would be interesting.

Not only that but we can keep each other motivated as well because at times you'll want to say screw it lol.

I remember my first gravity LD, makes me smile to this day still!

Hey again,

Thanks for the answers.

Just one more thing:

I am focusing on my weight about 1/4 of the time to start with. What I do is simply become aware of the feeling of gravity, and that's all.

I'm wondering if I have to think: 'hmm, this feels normal, so I'm probably awake', because I have read somewhere else (Azul I think) that using logic won't work. I'm not sure this what he was taking about though.

And if I do have to judge whether the gravity feels normal or weird, how often should I do that?

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Carbon

Hey again,

Thanks for the answers.

Just one more thing:

I am focusing on my weight about 1/4 of the time to start with. What I do is simply become aware of the feeling of gravity, and that's all.

I'm wondering if I have to think: 'hmm, this feels normal, so I'm probably awake', because I have read somewhere else (Azul I think) that using logic won't work. I'm not sure this what he was taking about though.

And if I do have to judge whether the gravity feels normal or weird, how often should I do that?

Thanks!

Hey Carbon,

To clear the confusion, thinking if gravity feels normal is ok but I would say later on after you've become more used to doing the RC. The reason I say this is because right now you're really just training your mind to become acquainted with the feeling of gravity in waking life. Don't get caught up in the mindset of thinking whether you're doing it right or wrong, just let it be.

And yes, DO NOT use logic. For example, saying you're eating food and you think "well since gravity is light right now then in a dream it would be heavy." Not exactly the case because like Hukif said, gravity in dreams is really weird lol.

So I encourage to practice lightly for now so you don't overwhelm yourself, stay consistent and you'll soon understand what Hukif and I are talking about because it will be different for you as opposed to us.

Originally Posted by Azul

Hey Carbon,

To clear the confusion, thinking if gravity feels normal is ok but I would say later on after you've become more used to doing the RC. The reason I say this is because right now you're really just training your mind to become acquainted with the feeling of gravity in waking life. Don't get caught up in the mindset of thinking whether you're doing it right or wrong, just let it be.

And yes, DO NOT use logic. For example, saying you're eating food and you think "well since gravity is light right now then in a dream it would be heavy." Not exactly the case because like Hukif said, gravity in dreams is really weird lol.

So I encourage to practice lightly for now so you don't overwhelm yourself, stay consistent and you'll soon understand what Hukif and I are talking about because it will be different for you as opposed to us.

Thanks a lot Azul!
It makes much more sense now

By the way, can I monitor my weekly progress here, or do you want me to make another thread as others have done?

Glad to have helped.

I'm not going to hijack Hukif's thread but IMO I would suggest starting your own thread to keep track of your progress then again you could start it here but that's up to Hukif.

I read this guide as well as Azul's yesterday and wanted to say thanks to both of you. I practiced a bit throughout the day yesterday feeling the effect of gravity on my body as whole unit, and paying attention to orientation to gravity simultaneously.
What I noticed was that after a WBTB I was all of a suddenly aware I was dreaming at the start of a scene while levitating ~40 ft.
I was wondering if this is a common occurrence with gravity practice. Usually I levitate afterward, but I believe this was a first for me.

Originally Posted by Oneirin

I read this guide as well as Azul's yesterday and wanted to say thanks to both of you. I practiced a bit throughout the day yesterday feeling the effect of gravity on my body as whole unit, and paying attention to orientation to gravity simultaneously.
What I noticed was that after a WBTB I was all of a suddenly aware I was dreaming at the start of a scene while levitating ~40 ft.
I was wondering if this is a common occurrence with gravity practice. Usually I levitate afterward, but I believe this was a first for me.

Actually Oneirin, I want to say it COULD be because when I started getting my lucids from it I was tempted to do the Gravity RC by levitating.

Then again I'm always flying in my dreams lol.

Hukif ~ over on tasinios's gravity RC thread you touched on something I found intriguing ...something about watching your communication's gravity as well as the usual bodily gravity we tend to think of first when we think of gravity - can you elaborate on that some more and any other not so obvious ways of checking out the gravity you personally bring into your 24/7 RC

Originally Posted by Azul

I concur here

It really would be nice to see others produce some results with this technique, quite honestly it is a mother to practice it I cannot emphasize how awesomely it will pay off.

Hi Azul ~ can you say some more about how it is a mother of a practice for you - like - can you spell it out what's going on for you 24/7 as you are practicing it - for example what questions you are asking yourself or what mindset you are developing and focusing on moment by moment

I know your focusing on gravity - but can you spell it out all the ways you bring it into your day and night - cheers

Originally Posted by Patience108

Hi Azul ~ can you say some more about how it is a mother of a practice for you - like - can you spell it out what's going on for you 24/7 as you are practicing it - for example what questions you are asking yourself or what mindset you are developing and focusing on moment by moment

I know your focusing on gravity - but can you spell it out all the ways you bring it into your day and night - cheers

Hey Patience, what I meant by it being a mother to practice was that in the first couple of weeks of training it became very difficult at times. Mainly because I didn't know whether I was doing right or wrong majority of the time and not only that I was trying to do it Hukif's way.

So after a while I decided to find a way that would better suit me, and I did. I thought to myself, it only makes sense to follow up with a body part that you use the most throughout the day. So for me it was the hands and that's what I started focusing on regardless of what I was doing with the exception of walking I did focus on the legs at that point.

Now since I only focus on my hands, that's not to say that when I'm dreaming that I'll only become lucid if gravity is weird in my hands because I have gravity induced dreams from a number of things. Like I could be walking and become lucid, or riding a bike, etc.

Guys what you're doing here is creating a FOCUS POINT in waking life so it makes it a LOT easier to keep up the RC, not unless you're hardcore like Hukif lol. What you're doing is building up the general awareness of gravity in waking life and bringing it into your dreams.

I encourage you to find something that you use throughout the day and let that be a focus point for you gravity rc and it will evolve from there.

Originally Posted by Azul

Hey Patience, what I meant by it being a mother to practice was that in the first couple of weeks of training it became very difficult at times. Mainly because I didn't know whether I was doing right or wrong majority of the time and not only that I was trying to do it Hukif's way.

So after a while I decided to find a way that would better suit me, and I did. I thought to myself, it only makes sense to follow up with a body part that you use the most throughout the day. So for me it was the hands and that's what I started focusing on regardless of what I was doing with the exception of walking I did focus on the legs at that point.

Now since I only focus on my hands, that's not to say that when I'm dreaming that I'll only become lucid if gravity is weird in my hands because I have gravity induced dreams from a number of things. Like I could be walking and become lucid, or riding a bike, etc.

Guys what you're doing here is creating a FOCUS POINT in waking life so it makes it a LOT easier to keep up the RC, not unless you're hardcore like Hukif lol. What you're doing is building up the general awareness of gravity in waking life and bringing it into your dreams.

I encourage you to find something that you use throughout the day and let that be a focus point for you gravity rc and it will evolve from there.

How effective is this RC? Can it really produce daily lds?

Well, I'm going to give this a try for a whole month, my focus id on my ankle/foot.

Will post daily updates in mt DJ - how I'm finding it, can i manage it all day or not

Also, shall I stop doing normal rcs?

Originally Posted by Habba

How effective is this RC? Can it really produce daily lds?

Well, I'm going to give this a try for a whole month, my focus id on my ankle/foot.

Will post daily updates in mt DJ - how I'm finding it, can i manage it all day or not

Also, shall I stop doing normal rcs?

Well hukif is getting daily lds from it as far as i am concerned.Have to warn you though...it is discouraging and you must be patient.I am on day 21 no lucid results yet....it is easier to practise it though...I still forget to do it when i am doing stuff with other people.Working on that one.Also my recall is not yet augmented at all...right now i am waking up with no dreams and it annoys me as hell...

Originally Posted by tasinios

Well hukif is getting daily lds from it as far as i am concerned.Have to warn you though...it is discouraging and you must be patient.I am on day 21 no lucid results yet....it is easier to practise it though...I still forget to do it when i am doing stuff with other people.Working on that one.Also my recall is not yet augmented at all...right now i am waking up with no dreams and it annoys me as hell...

The RC is easier than I thought, I find it easy to focus on the weight of my leg/ankle/foot while doing other things, it's like the feeling is in the "back of my mind" while doing things.

On the negative side though, I hate the feeling of heaviness! It irritates me, but it'll be worth it. I experience the heaviness alot in meditation... my strongest sense is feelngs so I think it will more easier for me to focus on!

I hardly forget to do things which I'm interested in, whatever it Is, so memory won't be a problem.

I think it is good to have the feeling of heaviness because it may not be there in an LD.About the meditation thing you mentioned.I have been thinking about this for a while.During meditation myvhead gets light and my body feels heavy.I thought that i could meditate focusing on my body and get to know my body weight better.I think this can help a ton with this practise.

Originally Posted by tasinios

I think it is good to have the feeling of heaviness because it may not be there in an LD.About the meditation thing you mentioned.I have been thinking about this for a while.During meditation myvhead gets light and my body feels heavy.I thought that i could meditate focusing on my body and get to know my body weight better.I think this can help a ton with this practise.

Yes! It is the feeling of the weight of my body I am getting familiar with. In dreams I just seem to drift along it is way different. This will trigger a reality check in the dream. I have just presumed the weight of my body and gravity is normal and so got use to it. The great thing about gravity is that it is there all the time during the day. That is a unique thing about it. When it is not there we should know immediately that we are asleep.

Sounds like you guys are starting to get the hang of it. We can talk about it in theory all day but I strongly encourage you all to apply it in practice too!