Thread: How to counter skeptics' statements on Astral Projection?

Originally Posted by concusion

Evolution is not a completely random event... and science hasn't proven anything in regards to whether our existence is random, just theories at this point.

If the event is not completely random it is not random at all. You cannot have partially random in a whole without intent, it is either random or it is not. Intent cannot inhabit the same exact space as random in regards to our existence and the existence of this planet and everything on it, because intent so far as evolution is concerned, means there was something intending these things. Something purposefully directed these things to exist and have the ability to evolve the way that they do. If any part of this creation is purely random with no control by the one intending these things, the entire balance is thrown off as there can be no balance with something random. Complete balance in something also completely random has as much a chance of happening as you bursting into flame this very second and not feeling any burning sensation while awake, while those around you cannot get within 10 feet of you due to the intensity of the heat. The entity doing all of the intending would need to have a complete understanding of all elements of the area it is creating in to have a balance and harmony in its rules and systems. If it's all random, how to gain an understanding from something you couldn't begin to comprehend without knowing all the possibilities of this random space?

So how does science prove anything in regards to our existence? The process of evolution itself? What is smaller and even before atoms on multiple levels? We don't know. Even in knowing that information, all that will do, is raise more questions. Upon examining the basic nature and structure of everything we even call "natural" in the first place, what exactly is supernatural, again?

We can't even comprehend our own existence, yet we know surely there is nothing beyond human life and the planet Earth we are on? We happen to be a perfect distance from the sun, surely this is random? We have a 12 hour day and 12 hour night cycle, to the second. Clearly this is random? Our planet spins on an axis and revolves around a star that generates enough heat within itself via chemical reactions that heat and light reach millions upon millions of miles away, and this feeds the growth of our plant life, which produce oxygen, which is what we breathe. How did our plants get the instructions to do what they do, for without them, we could not live in our current form, nor could anything that breathes oxygen, and how many living beings is that exactly? All of them? Even sea creatures absorb the oxygen inherent in water. How did they get these instructions? This light from the sun also heats and brightens half of the Earth during each 12 hour cycle. How exactly did the cells get the instructions to form lungs, and that by passing oxygen through these into our bloodstream...but wait...bloodstream? Blood...did it exist as a single celled, organism? How exactly did we, and all animals obtain blood? DNA instruction? What kind of instruction is this? Where did it come from? Random?

If one single piece of the entire comprehension of the creation of this planet, universe, and everything in them is random, they are all random. If but a single piece is not random, then nothing is random, and everything intended. The only, truly random thing that exists, is a being with a free will consciousness. But even then, that gift in and of itself is intended.

Dreaming by itself is super-natural by the description that everything is only a projection of, or a figment of your mind. In my dreams, I can fly and know the sensation of flying from moving relative to another object, and feeling the energy we call wind brushing against my skin, but wait, what skin? I can transform into a dragon, something said to not exist, and feel the scales, the limbs, my wings, a tail, the enhanced and changed senses, the fire-gland in my throat and the fire on my tongue. I can then fly or use my enhanced muscles to smash things, all in a fashion I couldn't tell from the real thing. I can bite into things and feel them as if I were a dragon all this time. My mind is creating an almost perfect simulation of something I've never even experienced before on this level? I express my intent to engage in a fight with a dragon, and poof, one appears before me. My mind created this with perfect knowledge of the power of his muscles, a greater knowledge of combat than myself, and the ability to manipulate energy with no fear? Why do I feel fear if I am capable of none from the get go? Why is it that when I fight in my dreams I learn techniques I can actually use in a waking reality situation?

My mind is so infinitely complex that it can enable me to do, feel, see, and learn all of these things with perfect accuracy? My mind can perfectly recreate the feeling of grass and sand between my toes, feeling the millions of little grains underneath. It knows the solidity of steel and glass windows, and can mold them into any type of imaginative scene for me to interact with that is not of this earth? It can create conceptual things such as a creature of my design and place it before me in three dimensions with every sensation I'd expect to be there in as vivid an experience as waking life? Why is it that I can ask questions of the dream and learn something insightful? My mind is this complex when I'm asleep, but not when I'm awake? How exactly did my cells get the instructions to be capable of doing all of this while sleeping? How do cells create my dreams? Do cells create dreams? They make up your mind, which is also your brain, or are those two things separate? Is this all a random occurrence?

From the definition of "Dreams are only a projection of your mind, a figment of your mind and imagination, and are only contained within your head", my dreams would appear to be my mind understanding the whole universe without my conscious self understanding a thing. My mind takes my consciousness into a place of nothing but raw energy, which is the basis of everything, and from this energy it creates scenes larger than my actual physical body, transforms my body, creates and disintegrates objects at my will, and gives everything the solidity it needs and modifies things based on what I consciously intend to do. How does it do this, separate of me? Oh, my subconscious? Wait, why exactly is THAT my subconscious? I'd much rather have that be my conscious mind, wouldn't you? Is that an unlucky draw of our random existence?

Humans did not need to wait for the advances of science to be able to experience dreaming, or walking, or communicating, or reasoning, nor learning, and that is because science is a sub-set of comprehension, not the whole. You have no reason to wait for science to prove something you can prove to yourself right now. There is no need to convince another of what you know to be true if they are not ready. When they are ready, however, you will know. They will ask more questions as opposed to making statements.