Super String Theory - Science Discovers "God" - Science proves everyone wrong(even science)

**TheEvolutionist** · 07-13-2011 08:27 PM

If none of you have seen "What the bleep, down the rabbit hole," I highly recommend dedicating a little of your time to watch it. On the documentary there is a physicist named Dr. John Hagelin who has one of the full interviews from the movie on Youtube. This physicist was one who works on whats called Super String Theory. In the interview he does a wonderful job explaining the implications of quantum physics & string theory & some of the things they have found. For a while I was under the impression that quantum mechanics & string theory were all conflicting forms of physics & that only one can really be true. When in fact classical physics, known to the scientific community as billiard ball physics, is for things at roughly the scale of humans & animals & billiard balls. When quantum physics is the study of quantum electrons, or as Hagelin put it the field of potential electrons, so the study of things that are so small & move so fast that they are actually in multiple possible places at once. Then there is String theory which is study of even smaller than quantum, in other words what makes up this field of potential electrons, is what string theory is studying. Even smaller than string theory is Super String Theory and that is where science is at right now.

So that was a little over-view now lets get to the Title of the thread. "How did science discover "God""? Well remember quantum physics and what I said about the electrons being electron clouds made of potential electrons, well what is a "potential electron," what is it made of. Well it seems the farther we look into what we are made of the more what we are made of doesn't appear to be what we perceive as "solid". Once you get down to Super String Theory it appears that the stuff were are made of is made of stuff that does not have a "mass." According to Super String Theory what these Super Strings are made of are Pure Consciousness. There is a string for everything that "is" right now & once someone creates a new idea then a new string is formed. Where does "God" play into this? Well the super strings is what everything is made of, it is you, me, a spoon, the floor, the air, everything. Although there is a perception of individuality if you were to look through an unimaginable powerful microscope you would see we are all made of the same thing, Consciousness. If you know something about quantum mechanics you have heard of super-position, the act of one particle splitting it's Consciousness and being in many places at the same time but still being ONE thing. If you know about the big bang you know that before this universe was created there was a point of singularity, a single point of Super-Consciousness when everything was one thing. Well if everything was once one & everything that "is" is made up of strings of Pure Super-Consciousness isn't that "God."
This almighty Super-Consciousness that used to be everything in a single point of Consciousness but is now an infinite amount of Consciousness, Super Strings, that we are all made of. You see what Super String Theory says is that "God" is consciousness and because everything is made of consciousness we are all made of "God" & because we are all consciousness we are "God" as well. We are all connected by this Super String that is Consciousness, that is "God."

"But how did it prove everyone wrong?" In his interview Hagelin expresses many times that there are different levels of truth. For example when I talked about your perception of being separate than everything else, your individuality, it is true to say you have individuality. On our macroscopic world of billiards and cannonballs we are very much individuals, our personalities are different from one another, our upbringing was different, our lessons were different, how we reacted to every experience of our life was different. However it is also true to say we are the same, super-microscopically thinking, I'm talking the Planck Scale, we are made of the same thing & the same thing everything is made of, therefor we have the same potential as each other & the potential of everything, Infinity. As fractal geometry has taught Infinity does exist and that it is natural in nature in ever sense of the meaning. This means our potential as Consciousness to evolve is Infinite, everything in existence is made of Consciousness and many schools of thought will tell you the main objective of Consciousness is to expand & grow.
That is the major breakthrough of quantum mechanics and string theory, the implementation of Consciousness in Science. That is why I think quantum mechanics and String theory is getting people really interested, it takes people from seeing the universe as such a lonely death-ridden boring empty nothingness to something that is ever expanding & something that depends on the very fabric of existence, Consciousness. If reality depends of Consciousness then there has to be more Conscious entities somewhere & there has to be some way all Conscious entities communicate. Some believe that is what meditation teaches you but that is another discussion. Another thing I heard that does pretty well of humbling most everyone about what they "know" or all of their beliefs & really explains why none of know anything: Every Model anyone makes about the universe will never be correct, it will only be their interpretation of how reality works based on their beliefs based on their experiences influenced by their history; not to say it couldn't be a reasonable interpretation but humans don't know everything about their own body so to say we, especially the people that don't give a damn about reality, know how reality works is just plain Ignorance. However the Model that person made will tell you a lot about the person. So every Model science has is just a theory, the best interpretation of the available information, and only shows us something about the human race as a whole, and for the last "God" knows how long science has been leaving Consciousness out of the equation. The scientific principles we believe in show a lot about who we are as humans, don't just believe something because it was "taught" to you long ago and it is what you've just accepted. question everything you see with healthy skepticism until you have checked it out for yourself but never believe you beliefs can't be changed.

Well I hopped I peaked some of your interests about quantum mechanics, string theory, and/or Consciousness itself(or yourself). I will put up a couple of videos that I think did a pretty good job of explaining as a starting point for some. Please feel free to comment and question me.
As always, enjoy your day comrades.

<---atatat, some of these are great.

**TheEvolutionist** · 07-13-2011 08:35 PM

Just a couple of videos I thought would be interesting.

Disclaimer: I do not own nor did I create any of these videos, all the credit and praise go out the people that did for sharing there information. I am just the willing participant in the sharing of the knowledge.

YouTube - ‪What The Bleep?! Down The Rabbit Hole (1 of 16)‬&rlm;
YouTube - ‪John Hagelin, Ph.D on Consciousness 1 of 2‬&rlm;
YouTube - ‪*Quantum Physics* The Reality As You Know It Does Not Exist‬&rlm;
YouTube - ‪*Quantum Physics* Welcome To The Matrix‬&rlm;

**JussiKala** · 07-13-2011 08:45 PM

´Proof that these strings have consciousnesses as we perceive it? Is there ANY reason whatsoever to think that these strings have the capacity to think, form ideas, and ponder on them? Or did you perhaps misunderstand a metaphor in the video? I am interested in what you have to say here, since I did not completely understand it.

Your post is a giant wall of text. I read it. Multiple times. At one point, you start off with the explonation of how things are, then you make a couple of sentences on how strings have consciousness, provide no evidence to back that up, and then continue the babble by keeping that assumption there.

So until you explain, in detail, how these strings have consciousness, I have no reason to even consider this point.

Cheers.

**Solarflare** · 07-13-2011 08:59 PM

I dont know nearly anything about quantum physics

but

(in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) The creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the Supreme Being

you cant change the meaning of God and act like its God, and pardon me if i said some stuff that made no sense whatsoever, i skimmed it and i dont know shit about quantum science

**dreamcatcher81** · 07-13-2011 09:16 PM

You sir are a gentleman and a scholar. thank you. namaste.

Originally Posted by TheEvolutionist

Just a couple of videos I thought would be interesting.

Disclaimer: I do not own nor did I create any of these videos, all the credit and praise go out the people that did for sharing there information. I am just the willing participant in the sharing of the knowledge.

YouTube - ‪What The Bleep?! Down The Rabbit Hole (1 of 16)‬&rlm;
YouTube - ‪John Hagelin, Ph.D on Consciousness 1 of 2‬&rlm;
YouTube - ‪*Quantum Physics* The Reality As You Know It Does Not Exist‬&rlm;
YouTube - ‪*Quantum Physics* Welcome To The Matrix‬&rlm;

**Robot_Butler** · 07-13-2011 10:09 PM

I also fail to see how this relates to consciousness. I'll watch the videos tonight. Maybe they will help explain things

**TheEvolutionist** · 07-13-2011 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by JussiKala

´Proof that these strings have consciousnesses as we perceive it? Is there ANY reason whatsoever to think that these strings have the capacity to think, form ideas, and ponder on them? Or did you perhaps misunderstand a metaphor in the video? I am interested in what you have to say here, since I did not completely understand it.

Your post is a giant wall of text. I read it. Multiple times. At one point, you start off with the explonation of how things are, then you make a couple of sentences on how strings have consciousness, provide no evidence to back that up, and then continue the babble by keeping that assumption there.

So until you explain, in detail, how these strings have consciousness, I have no reason to even consider this point.

Cheers.

Yes maybe I should have started this tread by saying that I am by no means a quantum physicist and that I don't understand super string theory, think of it this way, this is my Model, or my interpretation of the available information based on my beliefs based on my expeirence. I also should have started by saying that the people in the videos, "What the Bleep, Down the Rabbit Hole" are physicists, I'll post some more up that actually are quantum physicists from the film, also one of the links I already post is a interview of Dr. John Hagelin, one of the theoretical physicist from the movie & Director of the institute of Science at Maharishi, that discusses super string theory. The point of this article was not to make you believe what I believe it is to allow you to broaden your horizon by "proving me wrong," to look at the evidence I give you, links to physicist to back up my interpretation, and see if there is any truth in what I say. The main goal of this thread was to get you interested in quantum mechanics and see for yourself what it is.
For not making my intention more clear and not stressing the fact that you should look at the data one gives you, like the videos, before making a comment about how flawed their beliefs are.

Originally Posted by dreamcatcher81

You sir are a gentleman and a scholar. thank you. namaste.

Thank you very much, I appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

I also fail to see how this relates to consciousness. I'll watch the videos tonight. Maybe they will help explain things

Please do.

**TheEvolutionist** · 07-13-2011 11:04 PM

Here are the Physicists & to be clear this time, they will give you much much more information than I can so please listen to them. Every one of them is from the movie "What the Bleep, Down the Rabbit Hole," these are the full interviews from the movie, there are more on the youtube account where the videos were uploaded. Please let me know your interpretation of what they say when you have listened to them, the real scientists.

YouTube - ‪Dean Radin, Ph.D on Quantum Physics 1 of 3‬&rlm;
YouTube - ‪Miceal Ledwith, Ph.D on God, Science & Religion 1 of 2‬&rlm;
YouTube - ‪Candace Pert, Ph.D on Miraculous Healings 1 of 2‬&rlm;
YouTube - ‪Daniel Monti, M.D on The Mind-Body Connection 1 of 3‬&rlm;
YouTube - ‪David Albert, Ph.D ON Quantum Physics 1 of 3‬&rlm;

**Skygerobrian** · 07-13-2011 11:25 PM

This is my viewpoint. I respect the believers views equally. However, I myself am skeptical of this theory and have watched these videos. I feel that these ideas are no more than a desperate rationalization for the double slit experiment. They say that these electrons are choosing whether or not to act as waves or particles but choose is a bad word because the results are exactly the same every time. There is no proof that they have any level of consciousness, only proof that they behave differently when observed. Ones upon a time we thought that magnets were magical... I think no more of Schrodinger's cat.

**Dthoughts** · 07-14-2011 12:13 AM

Can you show me somewhere that these results you are talking about are exactly the same every time?
And you can't prove that you are consious either. If it is material proof you seek then you will not find it because obviously consiousness is pretty immaterial. Just think of ur dreams. If you consider immaterial proof to be valid then you can get some in dreams or by other means. You can't record this however and show everybody a video or something so that's kinda troublesome.

**Dthoughts** · 07-14-2011 12:32 AM

My take on String theory and all the sciences that go with it is that these have mostly originated because there was a need to explain own experiences. And if ur willing to go that far and make such a good theory that a whole lot of people take it in and have incorporated it in their materialistic science mindset without question then the experiences that pre-caused these theories must have been very profound experiences. And i'm all for that. But i don't believe that string theory explains the ultimate reality. That's how people misunderstand string theory for some kind of giant spaghetti monster.

And why is this in Beyond Dreaming?

**ReachingForTheDream** · 07-14-2011 01:23 AM

I don't see how this means that there is "God" though. Usually the term "god" refers to a deity watching over us/controlling us ect ect.. This isn't the case by what you described so I don't see how science has at all discovered God. Even if all the information is correct (I don't know because I know nothing about quantam physics), I don't see how everything being conscious = god.

**Skygerobrian** · 07-14-2011 04:52 AM

at Dthoughts
When I was talking about results I meant the results to the double slit experiment. They have bin done over and over again for over 20 years now. And I agree with you about not being able to prove that I am conscious. And if I can't even do that I doubt we will ever be able to prove that electrons have a consciousness either mush less the existence of god. As far as why this is in beyond dreaming, I think it belongs because the ideas outlined in the original post are directly related to issues concerning perception. Allot of the people I've talked to or heard who believe what TheEvolutionist was talking about also believe that we literally shape out own existence with our minds. That is to say that some believe that this world we experience is very much like a non lucid dream.

**TheEvolutionist** · 07-14-2011 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

Can you show me somewhere that these results you are talking about are exactly the same every time?
And you can't prove that you are consious either. If it is material proof you seek then you will not find it because obviously consiousness is pretty immaterial. Just think of ur dreams. If you consider immaterial proof to be valid then you can get some in dreams or by other means. You can't record this however and show everybody a video or something so that's kinda troublesome.

AGAIN I'm not a physicist so I can't say for certain but I think there is more to quantum mechanics and string theory than just theory, I'm fairly sure they do a plethora of mathematical equations. Also proof can be immaterial, if many people have the same experience over and over and it can be repeated multiple times then their is proof something is there.

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

My take on String theory and all the sciences that go with it is that these have mostly originated because there was a need to explain own experiences. And if ur willing to go that far and make such a good theory that a whole lot of people take it in and have incorporated it in their materialistic science mindset without question then the experiences that pre-caused these theories must have been very profound experiences. And i'm all for that. But i don't believe that string theory explains the ultimate reality. That's how people misunderstand string theory for some kind of giant spaghetti monster.

Well, why is quantum mechanics and string theory harder for you to swallow than normal physics, it is based on the same thing. quantum physics is the study of sub-atomic particles, namely the quarks in the electrons of an atom, it is a science that uses equations & experiments to prove hypothesis. Just like the study of atoms is the study of what we are made of quantum mechanics is the study of what that is made up of and String theory what that is made up of. Scientists are going further and further down to see what we are made of and the smaller they go the more they are seeing that we are not really "solid," but normal atoms show us we are not really "solid." As many of us learned in school the atom is 99% empty space with just an almost weightless nucleus and even lighter electrons orbiting it at speeds unthought of.

**TheEvolutionist** · 07-14-2011 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Skygerobrian

at Dthoughts
When I was talking about results I meant the results to the double slit experiment. They have bin done over and over again for over 20 years now. And I agree with you about not being able to prove that I am conscious. And if I can't even do that I doubt we will ever be able to prove that electrons have a consciousness either mush less the existence of god. As far as why this is in beyond dreaming, I think it belongs because the ideas outlined in the original post are directly related to issues concerning perception. Allot of the people I've talked to or heard who believe what TheEvolutionist was talking about also believe that we literally shape out own existence with our minds. That is to say that some believe that this world we experience is very much like a non lucid dream.

The double slit experiment proved that consciousness plays a role in measurement and therefor science itself, it showed that if a particle is in one place when you look at it & multiple places when you don't look at it, where are all the particles that don't have anyone looking at them & how does the particle know, understand, receive the information that it is being observed. First off the reason these physicist don't really care for using the term Consciousness is that it has a lot of different meanings but the general meaning of consciousness is self-awareness. Is the particle not self-aware if it knows, understands, receives the information that another consciousness is looking at it. So in a sense you could prove you were conscious but again there are MANY different meaning of Conscious. It is also just my personal belief that you might be confusing consciousness with intelligence, a clam at the bottom of the sea is conscious, it just is not very sentient and not very intelligent but it is still conscious. One could even argue that a tree is conscious, it knows, understands, receives the information that it has its own leaves and roots & knows when to use the sun to create energy. Don't be so uick to dismiss something because of your interpretation of little information about the subject.

**TheEvolutionist** · 07-14-2011 07:29 PM

Also I am fully aware that string theory and quantum physics are flawed but whether it is classical physics or your favorite book, you need to take in all of the information as unbiased as you can and take from it what really resonates with your experiences. When we all collaborate our interpretations together we will learn something about each other & all of the things we have in common in our theories are the things that we would know have some truth to them. I am not toting string theory and quantum mechanics around as a bible more a foundation from which you take what makes sense to you and expand on that. If one doesn't see how quantum mechanics and string theory relate to consciousness then one clearly hasn't looked to much into the subjects.

**Univorsus** · 07-14-2011 07:37 PM

1) Anything is provable.

2) Not even the previous sentence.

[Repeat 2) until tired]

**Skygerobrian** · 07-14-2011 07:39 PM

To whomever might be interested in this topic but lack knowledge,
I think anyone who might be interested in this subject would benefit from a little study. I'd start with Einstein's Theory of Special Relativity and move on to quantum mechanics and string theory from there. Relativity is pretty easy to wrap the brain around, it is easily visualized. Quantum mechanics, string theory, M theory are much more abstract concepts. Id suggest watching MIT physics lectures on youtube to learn this stuff. You may not know all the math at the moment but you could always spend some time on the Khanacademy website.

at TheEvolutionist
You could be right about something being there. What it is, however is debatable. I think allot of beliefs take on this form where something has bin experienced over and over again for even hundreds of years by many,,, and still there is skepticism. Let me use the example of the evangelical christian worship where many congregations claim to be filled with the Holy Spirit (part of God's Trinity.) In this example there are many repeatable experiences, however if you asked me Id say it was faith induced endorphin release...