Thread: Precognition and Precognitive Dreams.

Originally Posted by shadowofwind

This seems to me more like telepathy than precognition. But I think it works the same way, so that any explanation of one has to accommodate the other, and synchronicities in general. My experiences have generally been mixed, with an element of both telepathy and precognition. But the precognitive element has faded in the last year or two, so that most of my experiences since then have been more like yours.

We have lots of time to improve our dreaming abilities

I used to have a cat that was hit by a car a few years ago. In the few weeks before he died, I had repeated dreams he was going to die, in which one of them he was hit by a car. I'd never experienced anything like it, because it was getting to the point that during waking life, I was starting to think it would happen. When it did happen, I wasn't shocked. I was expecting it. It was like I knew it was going to happen. It was such a weird feeling.

I've had other repetitive dreams, but it's always something stupid/unrealistic (e.g. getting chased by dinosaurs) and never something I actually start thinking will happen in real life before it does.

If he had been ill and died as a result, then you could explain it scientifically - saying that I was picking up on his illness when awake and that translated into my dreams. However, he was perfectly healthy when he died and acted as he always had i.e. there was no cue that I could have picked up on when awake that it was going to happen. The dreams also started happening in the few weeks before he died. We had the cat for a few years and the dreams only started to happen just prior to his death.

Coincidence? It could be. I personally think it's unlikely though.

Happened this morning

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I feel I've had precog dreams. Some examples.

1) I had a dream I was sitting on a flower in a field and a boy from my school used a ladder and climbed up once he reached the top he wrote out a list. He said they are answers. I looked, it was 10 things. I memorized the list..... Next day in school my teacher gave us a pop quiz and all the answers were what I had been told in my dream.

2) A week before 9/11 I had a dream that a plane flew into a white building. Then 9/11 happened.


3) The night before I got my horses...... I had a dream I was traveling in a vehicle to where we kept my one horse we already owned. When we got there, back by the garage there was 3 new horses. Sorrel, chesnut, and bay...... Next day when we went out to see my horse, there by the garage was a sorrel, chestnut, and a bay.

4) One dream one not same dog: We had our horses out at the farm we sold until we could move them and we were going to do chores. First day I had been there with the new people there. I crossed a line, apparently the fence set up for the dogs with those collars. The people told me to get out. The dog came running everyone thought she was going to attack like she does to everyone else, instead she jumped up and licked my face. I say "hi there Sapphira!!" Like I knew her name. Then the people came down and they had heard me say that, and asked how I knew her name. I didn't but I did.
Then a few weeks later I had a dream that we went back out to do chores but this time we took Sapphira home with us. She was my gift...... Next day we get there and we didn't have to do chores. Instead there is Sapphira with her harness on and a leash. I took her home. She was my gift from them.



Recently have had dreams of finding my dog dead and having to put my horse down. I really hope they don't come true.


Also recently there was an event at work. I felt like I was in a dream, did reality checks but was still questioning it as it felt like a dream. It seemed every hour I was checking out the same 20 people. This happened for four hours. These people in the same order came in and bought the same stuff... 4 times. I'm still a bit shook up over this.

I have a lot of events that would be deja vu.... it feels like a movie played out before me, but I don't recall having had a dream or "vision" of it before. But when it happens it feels like I'm watching it again and I know what each person is going to do.

I have no explanations for this, just thought I'd share my experiences.

I've had one or two occasions of precognitive dreams where as the event started happening i remembered my dream and knew i had already seen this but mine were very short instances where the situation happened faster than i could realize what would happen next as in that i realised what was happening as it happened but didn't have time to figure what would happen in advance. (not sure if that was clear enough)

what i wanted to know is that, if you realize before the situation and know what will happen in a few instances would you be able to stop it from happening? From all the times i've heard of precognition, visions and etc the event always occurred even though the person had time to do something differently. I know that while it's happening the person may want to see it happen just to be sure and therefore confirm their precognition since if they intervened then it wouldn't have been a precognition would it?

Hope i made some sense, i'm just curious to see what you guys with more experiences and different perspectives think about it. I guess I'm asking if we have free will or if it's already pre-determined in some kind of way

I think the question of predetermination vs free will has a false premise in it somehow. Neither hypothesis seems to fit my experience well. A mix of predetermination and free will doesn't seem to fit either. I think the problem has to do with our thought of cause and effect. I don't know what to replace that with though.

I typed up a longer description of my thought here, but I lost it when I tried to post it, and don't feel like typing it again.

Originally Posted by Cheysdreamer

I feel I've had precog dreams. Some examples.

1) I had a dream I was sitting on a flower in a field and a boy from my school used a ladder and climbed up once he reached the top he wrote out a list. He said they are answers. I looked, it was 10 things. I memorized the list..... Next day in school my teacher gave us a pop quiz and all the answers were what I had been told in my dream.

2) A week before 9/11 I had a dream that a plane flew into a white building. Then 9/11 happened.


3) The night before I got my horses...... I had a dream I was traveling in a vehicle to where we kept my one horse we already owned. When we got there, back by the garage there was 3 new horses. Sorrel, chesnut, and bay...... Next day when we went out to see my horse, there by the garage was a sorrel, chestnut, and a bay.

4) One dream one not same dog: We had our horses out at the farm we sold until we could move them and we were going to do chores. First day I had been there with the new people there. I crossed a line, apparently the fence set up for the dogs with those collars. The people told me to get out. The dog came running everyone thought she was going to attack like she does to everyone else, instead she jumped up and licked my face. I say "hi there Sapphira!!" Like I knew her name. Then the people came down and they had heard me say that, and asked how I knew her name. I didn't but I did.
Then a few weeks later I had a dream that we went back out to do chores but this time we took Sapphira home with us. She was my gift...... Next day we get there and we didn't have to do chores. Instead there is Sapphira with her harness on and a leash. I took her home. She was my gift from them.



Recently have had dreams of finding my dog dead and having to put my horse down. I really hope they don't come true.


Also recently there was an event at work. I felt like I was in a dream, did reality checks but was still questioning it as it felt like a dream. It seemed every hour I was checking out the same 20 people. This happened for four hours. These people in the same order came in and bought the same stuff... 4 times. I'm still a bit shook up over this.

I have a lot of events that would be deja vu.... it feels like a movie played out before me, but I don't recall having had a dream or "vision" of it before. But when it happens it feels like I'm watching it again and I know what each person is going to do.

I have no explanations for this, just thought I'd share my experiences.

Nice, you seem to have them quiet often.

I want to ask if you do remember when you had those dreams. I don't know if you can tell the difference, but if you can, what is nREM or REM dream? Did it happen after you woke up and went back to sleep, or it was one of your deep REM dreams?.

Originally Posted by Rodrodrod

I've had one or two occasions of precognitive dreams where as the event started happening i remembered my dream and knew i had already seen this but mine were very short instances where the situation happened faster than i could realize what would happen next as in that i realised what was happening as it happened but didn't have time to figure what would happen in advance. (not sure if that was clear enough)

what i wanted to know is that, if you realize before the situation and know what will happen in a few instances would you be able to stop it from happening? From all the times i've heard of precognition, visions and etc the event always occurred even though the person had time to do something differently. I know that while it's happening the person may want to see it happen just to be sure and therefore confirm their precognition since if they intervened then it wouldn't have been a precognition would it?

Hope i made some sense, i'm just curious to see what you guys with more experiences and different perspectives think about it. I guess I'm asking if we have free will or if it's already pre-determined in some kind of way

I think we are moving on a line, we have some kind of pre-determination based on where we are at the moment. But we are no way stuck on that line, we are not stuck with our pre-determinated path. We can always curve our life line the way we want, the more intention and will power you got the more you can curve it. If you know what I mean

Originally Posted by flowofmysoul

Nice, you seem to have them quiet often.

I want to ask if you do remember when you had those dreams. I don't know if you can tell the difference, but if you can, what is nREM or REM dream? Did it happen after you woke up and went back to sleep, or it was one of your deep REM dreams?.

I always had them after sleeping all night so I suppose I'd say REM sleep.

Originally Posted by shadowofwind

I think the question of predetermination vs free will has a false premise in it somehow. Neither hypothesis seems to fit my experience well. A mix of predetermination and free will doesn't seem to fit either. I think the problem has to do with our thought of cause and effect. I don't know what to replace that with though.

Here's a partial explanation for the seeming paradox I think....When you think "I choose", or "I have no choice", what that means depends on the meaning of "I". But your "I" isn't fixed its connected to a deeper, more timeless "I". If the larger "I" chooses something, this may be experienced less like a choice from the standpoint of the smaller "I". And the kind of time awareness that the larger "I" has can be quite a bit different I think. But since identity on the different scales isn't clearly delineated, and we have experiences on one scale then try to interpret it from the standpoint of another, we have these weird experiences that don't seem to make sense.

I used to have this dream all the time, it would be me sitting in a classroom talking to people I had never even met (at the time). I would be sitting in a desk, me talking to the person behind me. I never really payed much attention to it, until it happened. Maybe 6 months before hand is when I started having the dreams. Over that period of time I moved into a different state. I probably started having them during summer time. I couldn't believe I had never recognized it before, but oh, sweet Jesus, I freaked the hell out. I was scared. This wasn't the first time something like this had happened. Crazy thing too, this all happened before I became a LDer. Usually when they happen it's just a fragment, something you barely remember in the morning. The feeling when you actually realize the "deja-vu" or whatever is so overpowering; there's nothing like it.
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I did have a precognitive dream about a year ago and it came 100% true the next day. There was a guy at work who I had the biggest crush on and while we were getting along great and even went out a few times nothing happened between us so there was no way I could have known before etc. Anyway, one night I dreamt of this man (nothing new, as I said, I had a crush on him and therefore he was in my dreams pretty regularly) and in this dream we were walking along the beach with his dog. X told me he was about to quit his job and give his notice the next day and that he wants to go away from it all. Never in waking life was a word spoken about this. When I woke up I was totally confused and it was like waking up from a nightmare, it kept haunting me the whole day. That day after lunch break the reception lady came to my office and went like "you won't guess what just happened downstairs in the boss' office!" and I went like "How about X walked in and quit?". The look on her face was remarkable. I can't recall another time something like this happened but honestly I'm not really begging for another one (of course unless something good is about to happen)
Oh and maybe I should mention it wasn't a LD and I never had a LD so far

Originally Posted by flowofmysoul

If you ever experienced precognition and precognitive dreams, do you think there is a difference between these two ?

I think they are the same thing, only one initiated while asleep and the other while awake. I think it can occur without lucid dreaming, but the likelihood of you remembering it without being so are significantly diminished.

Another related phenomena is déjà vu, similar to precognition, the difference being it is a precognitive dream that you remember subconsciously instead of consciously.

Have you ever actively attempted to see the future in your lucid dreams or have they been randomly occurring without effort?

Had a precognitive dream yesterday. Saw this girl I've never seen before and ended up seeing her today in my university, I'm starting a new module and she is doing it too. Seeing people in my dreams then meeting them later in waking life has actually happened a few times before but I've never had the opportunity to talk to them really, as it usually is on a fleeting moment. Think it would be weird if I approached and told about the dream or better to just try to casually talk to her?

Originally Posted by Rodrodrod

Think it would be weird if I approached and told about the dream or better to just try to casually talk to her?

Most people will freak out if you tell them about the dream. They feel exposed, sensing instinctively that you were in their mind a little bit without them being aware of it. Also, most people are afraid of anything that seems unusual, and most people don't talk about this sort of thing, so they'll just perceive you as a weirdo.

Originally Posted by shadowofwind

Most people will freak out if you tell them about the dream. They feel exposed, sensing instinctively that you were in their mind a little bit without them being aware of it. Also, most people are afraid of anything that seems unusual, and most people don't talk about this sort of thing, so they'll just perceive you as a weirdo.

There are many precogs who cannot disclose their true identity nor discuss certain knowledge acquired due to the amount of skepticism and backlash that will come to them if they were to reveal ''people's'' innermost secrets. The real question is, if you knew something was going to happen, and you had the capability to change it, how would you change it?

Originally Posted by Quetzalcoatl

The real question is, if you knew something was going to happen, and you had the capability to change it, how would you change it?

Based on my experience and understanding....A primary reason for the division between conscious and subconscious is because if we were conscious of the subconscious stuff we would try to evade unpleasant experiences that our subconscious believes to be necessary. Or substitute the word providence for subconscious, since they're interrelated. If providence/karma/fate doesn't want something to happen, it generally doesn't need to tell you about it so that you can do something else. Providence already has enough control of developments to change the outcome itself. There isn't a "future that will happen unless someone intervenes", its already pretty well planned out, though its a flexible, constantly changing plan. And the considerations that the plan must satisfy aren't ones that can be changed by simple alterations of behavior. What is necessary mostly remains necessary, in one way or another. Its very difficult to change oneself enough that what is necessary changes very much. So as far as I have seen, this hypothetical situation, where 'something is going to happen and you have the capability to change it', almost never comes up.

I agree that the morality and the motive in the situation is worth thinking about though.

By the way, I dreamed of Quetzalcoatl (the god) slightly over a year ago. I had to google central American gods afterwards to find it, since I hadn't studied about it previously. I didn't write the dream down, but I think the main thrust of it was this god has been buried for a long time and is now being resurrected, not so much for resurgence as for dissolution. But by dissolution I don't mean death in a negative sense, its more like recovering and freeing what it is and unifying it in a constructive way into the current background of providence.

As I understand the myth of the Quetzalcoatl bird, its also a metaphor for desire, sort of. So its dissolution would be a metaphor for redemption. This would correspond to the transformation of aggression into courage, lust into love, etc. Seems a lot like the Dionysus myth to me in that regard.

Hi shadowofwind!

You bring up a very valid argument concerning the reason for the division between conscious and subconscious states of mind. If, however, providence is indeed a continuous manifestation that needs no alteration, for what purpose might an observer, deemed necessary, be interpolated in the stream of matrices? Although a simple change in behavior or action may be miniscule to you as another observer, to another observer it may be much different. While the inclusion of physics isn't something I would like to go into in this discussion, the observer effect occurs in both the particle and quantum level, and perhaps knowledge alone could alter some form of conscious reality, though I agree that the end result, in my experience, is usually the same.

I dreamed of Quetzalcoatl (the god) slightly over a year ago

The ancient Meso-Americans and Egyptians had very similar architecture, folklore, and spirituality in their early beginnings. It would be so interesting to be able to decipher those hieroglyphics and Mayan glyphs and find out what they knew! Only if I could Lucid Dream an actual Rosetta Stone!

I didn't mean to suggest that having had the premonition has no effect on the outcome. Clearly there is an effect. I was just suggesting that for the most part, the purpose of the premonition isn't to steer around a particular outcome. At least not in my experience.

I think this may be an example of precognition:

A few weeks ago on the Sunday night/Monday morning before New Year's Eve I had a dream that anyone that wanted to could walk into my apartment. I kept locking the door to my apartment and people would just open the door and walk in. I was getting so frustrated that I no longer had the privacy I expected that a locked door would provide. I would check the bathroom and kick people out, lock the door behind them only to have more people just casually walk back in.

Fast forward to New Year's eve 2 days later. I'm woken up at 4AM to the sound of very loud banging and 10 minutes later eventually police sirens. I thought maybe it was a random drunk person firing a gun and fell back to sleep after the cops arrived. When I woke up in the morning I started to go downstairs to smoke a cigarette. Halfway down I start to see my own breath...while still inside the building. When I reach the landing I see that the door was torn completely off the hinges, and this was a metal door!! I asked the repair guys what happened and they said that apparently some drunk guys wanted to see their friend at 4AM and he wasn't answering the doorbell.

Is this an example of a precog dream, since I dreamed of a lock that would not give me privacy, and then two days later the door is torn off the hinges?

A short precognitive dream that I had recently.

It happened in the morning, I woke up and went back to sleeping. I appeared in a small forest, this reminded me of my the town where I was born. I was walking through the forest and one guy came to me, he seemed old, because his hair was white and he spoke to me. In my dream I felt like we know each other, but I cannot recall anybody similar to him. He said that I might know something that might help them, it sounded like they are looking for some answers and they want me to help. I thought "why not" and I followed him, he took me to a small house that was somewhere in that forest. I walked inside a house and appeared in a building, I walked in to some apartment. There were few people there, I did not know any of them. He said if I know anything about the game called "God of War"

// In real life I know almost nothing about this game, I bought PS4 and never played anything expect of Need For Speed few times. I had no knowledge about "God of War" at all, I did not even know whether it is a PC or PS4 game or anything else, I just heard the name somewhere and that's it.

So I in my dream, he asked if I know anything about "God of War", I replied "no?" Why should I know it? In my mind I thought "Why would he ask me about this game, I never played anything except of competitive lan games." I thought this was really stupid dream and I just removed it, woke up for a second and closed my eyes, started a new dream. I recalled this dream very well when I woke up, but I did not give any attention to it.



Few days ago I ordered new curtains, I replaced all previous curtains in my apartment and added blinders behind them. The same day when I woke up from this dream, a team who were supposed to replace them called me and said they are coming in one hour, I came back from work and opened the door for them. Was waiting inside my apartment while they were replacing curtains. One of them walked out of the bedroom and asked me if this is PS4, I said yes. His next question was "Do you play God of War?" The whole dream flashed in my mind, I was really surprised.

Hello everyone, I posted this on another thread and found out that, coincidentally, there was a thread that was more appropriate for it. Shadowofwind already heard me say this

About fate and such, I'd like to share an idea that goes with one of my theories I might of shared somewhere. I think that our consciousness is associated with the group of cells that interact together in our body. Each cell isn't conscious, but the city of cells is. It's us. Why can this not be true at a higher level? Just like cells, we interact together. Could the whole of human and animal beings in this world that interact together also create a consciousness, which would be what people call God or the greater power. This entity which is simply the sum of its cells (us, living being, where all the inanimate matter is like our interstitial fluid, the fluid between our cells). This entity could think, just like we do. It could think of the past and think of the future. It would be all knowing, or at least know a lot if it is knowledgeable about its body. I can choose to move my arm and therefore my cells will respond and will have no free will to change this. However, as with deterministic views, some, at least, of our movements are automatic and are not affected by our free will. In a similar sense, the higher consciousness could move us in a direction, and we could move It in a certain direction. We call whatever this entity does as Fate and whatever we use our free will to do, this entity perceives it as a reflex.

In this sense, we precognition or whatever you have defined it in this thread could be our ability to feel the "will of this superentity".

For example, a few years back when I was in highschool, I had a dream I was playing Bowling with a black girl and a physically disabled boy. Now this seemed very unlikely because I was friend with neither a black girl or a physically disabled ball and there were no reasons for me to play Bowling the next day. Nonetheless, it happened. There was a Snow day. (in Canada, when it snows, classes are cancelled) but I still went to school and ended up meeting new people and playing Bowling in the gymnasium. And my dream happened. A higher consciousness would have been aware that it would snow and that there would be a snow day, it would have known that the teachers had planned to play Bowling and that these two other kids would also go to school even if there was a snow day. And I just felt this higher consciousness pushing us in that direction.

Anyways, that's just a thought on how this would all work. Thought I would share.

Had a lucid dream where I tried to ask the name of someone I've seen before but never talked to, as I planned on actually going to talk to that person. Interestingly, in my lucid dream the person said they couldn't tell me their name and that I could ask anything else I wanted, not expecting that I didn't have any other question for that person at that time. I find this surprising also as I have access to their name in waking life, there is an list with the name of everyone that is doing this thing, I have read every name, just don't know who it belongs to.

Has anyone else tried to actively acquire some information from the future and have a similar reaction or have succeeded? I'm curious about what draws the line about the kind of information we can acquire and possibly why.

I heard that the last dreams we tend to have are more likely to contain future content whilst the dreams earlier in the night may involve more past content. Been having lots of precognitive snippets lately and they have all been from my last dreams before i woke.

Does this hold true for you experiences?