A physical projection?

[Signet]

Hmm. Here's an odd phenomenon, for sure. It was early (early) morning on February 2nd, 2012, and I was still awake. Two A.M., and I had just barely gotten done with whatever-the-heck-it-was I was working on, but my mind just wasn't wanting to quiet down. Nope. Not a bit. I'll skip the part where I write poetry and browse the BakaBT forum. 4 A. M. I had finally just bedded down for the night, even though I was still thinking too fast to sleep, when this odd sensation came over me. Now, usually I sleep on my side, but that night for some reason I was laying on my back. I felt... a person. A real person, a very good friend of mine. Laying on me. She (thankfully; it'd have been odd if it was a guy) was "laying", if you will, face-down on me. There was no sense of weight or pressure, but I could feel contact almost as clearly as if she had actually been there. I remember raising my hand through where she "was" and then holding it where her back would be and feeling skin contact. And then I let my hand fall back down to my chest and the sensation was gone. I repeated this a couple times. Again, the sensation was just like physical touch -skin-on-skin- but not quite as vivid. I remember that I could clearly feel contact at least from my head to my waist. And... that's it! But still... what the heck, man? o_O Also, possibly the same thing happened upon the ending of this dream, which happened a little less than a year later. Any thoughts? This was a pretty crazy thing to happen, and I've never read accounts of such things happening, so... I present it to you. Again, does anyone have thoughts or questions concerning this? edit: the gal in this incident is not the same as my telepathic friend, as described in this post.

[dreamcatcher81]

This actually happen to me about 2 weeks ago now. I was sleeping on my back came to awareness with what I thought was my wife at the time laying on top of me blowing on my face. I didn't see her I just felt her presence on top of me. I was 2 tired to move and confirm it was my wife so I just enjoyed the blowing on my face and fell back to sleep. Moments later I woke up again and my wife was laying next to me and my daughter just how I remember her when I first fell asleep. I knew then that the blowing on my face was her but another dream version of her which felt hyper real. I choose not to ask her because I knew she would have no recollection of it. It's experiences like this that confirm my convictions in parallel universes and reality being similar to radio stations that are only separated by frequencies. Namaste.

[shadowofwind]

It's experiences like this that confirm my convictions in parallel universes and reality being similar to radio stations that are only separated by frequencies. Do you have similar experiences in which you can fly or levitate? Flying would seem to me to eliminate the parallel universes theory, since we wouldn't be able to do that in other similar universes either. But maybe people don't actually fly in this type of 'astral' experience, maybe the flying is more like a conventional lucid dream. Maybe levitation would still work, if we're not really levitating, but just not overlaying our impressions of the two worlds very accurately. My 'astral' experiences could conceivably fit that theory. Another question would be how real are those other universes. Is there actually another 'you' in the other world, or is it more like an impression of something that could have happened that didn't? How about things that couldn't have happened and didn't happen, could you have a similar experience with one of those worlds? I had an experience, not a lucid dream but a waking life experience, that seems to have been an interaction with a similar world, but it seems to me unlikely that I would have done what I did in that other world because it would have gone too much against my character. Maybe the 'me' in the other world has a similar life pattern but was born with a slightly different mix of my parents DNA or something? How about ghosts? It seems to me like the same thing, if I sense someone floating in the air nearby who's not a part of my world, which has happened a time or two. Parallel worlds, and not really floating, but not putting their impression in quite the right place in the room somehow? It seems to me that something big is missing from this picture, that 'parallel worlds' is the closest idea we have but its not quite right. I'm not criticizing, just fishing around for that missing piece.

[Dthoughts]

Flying in a world ruled by physics would indicate that we are somehow 'projecting' ourselves into a parellel universe? IME, I have woken up at 7 AM and noticed a classmate of mine floating next to me in lotus position. It strikes me that everytime something like this happens there is a spatial quality to it. I.E. My friend was floating next to my bed. Not in front of the bed, not under the bed. No, exactly 1 feet away from me with an angle of about 90 degrees to my right. It also doesn't matter whether i close my eyes or have my eyes open. My mind's eye still sees the image. What struck me the most is that this friend of mine actually does meditate every morning. Indicating a strong synchronisity here. Same thing when i went to Santo Daime and drank a psychedelic brew called Ayahuasca. I saw an elf fluttering around the room and it came to sit on my right shoulder. As soon as it sat on my shoulder i felt the little elf's weight and it began asking me questions untill it fluttered away again onto another part of the room. This spatial quality is a recurring thing. To my mind, it is either the brain simulating a spatial environment.. Or... Entities and things are actually floating 'on top' of the material plane which are invisible to the human eye but able to be seen by the mind's eye. There's this myth in certain areas that magical creatures like lapricons and elves are always present, interacting with flowers and plants all the time. When one is fully open to them a person can see these creatures going around their business out in nature. As for the tactile sensations. Personally i can only explain the tactile sensations as if am feeling the weight in my magnetic aura. Ofcourse it could also be my nervous system simulating these feelings. Possibly both. I think it is both. The brain is sensing ESP phenomenon and sends signals through the nervous system. I can go on and on about this, lol. But i think i've made my point. Perhaps as an experiment we can try to imagine tapping 'astral' fingers on a trusted friend's back to see if they respond to it. We use a trusted friend so we can later ask if they felt something without either party thinking of each other as crazy and all sorts of social awkwardness.

[shadowofwind]

Flying in a world ruled by physics would indicate that we are somehow 'projecting' ourselves into a parellel universe? No that's the opposite of what I'm suggesting. Similar worlds would be ruled by similar physics, so flying would suggest that something else is going on. When you hear a sound, the vibration is in your ears, then guess a location for the origin of the vibration based on stereo and other clues. You project the experience of a 'sound' to that location in your mental map of your surroundings. But vibrations in the air don't really have a particular location like that, despite usually having a source that is located in a particular place, they're spread out everywhere around you. My point is that we're already in the habit of projecting things into what seems to be our environment. I think that most of these 'astral' experiences are projections. In many cases there seems to be something real that the projection represents, and that's what we're trying to figure out. But the experience itself is a projection, and the 'real' something that we're trying to represent with the hallucination may not have a physical location in space. I'm pretty sure that in many cases it does not have a physical location in space, in any 'world'. Maybe there are cases where it does though.

[dreamcatcher81]

Do you have similar experiences in which you can fly or levitate? Flying would seem to me to eliminate the parallel universes theory, since we wouldn't be able to do that in other similar universes either. But maybe people don't actually fly in this type of 'astral' experience, maybe the flying is more like a conventional lucid dream. Maybe levitation would still work, if we're not really levitating, but just not overlaying our impressions of the two worlds very accurately. My 'astral' experiences could conceivably fit that theory. Another question would be how real are those other universes. Is there actually another 'you' in the other world, or is it more like an impression of something that could have happened that didn't? How about things that couldn't have happened and didn't happen, could you have a similar experience with one of those worlds? I had an experience, not a lucid dream but a waking life experience, that seems to have been an interaction with a similar world, but it seems to me unlikely that I would have done what I did in that other world because it would have gone too much against my character. Maybe the 'me' in the other world has a similar life pattern but was born with a slightly different mix of my parents DNA or something? How about ghosts? It seems to me like the same thing, if I sense someone floating in the air nearby who's not a part of my world, which has happened a time or two. Parallel worlds, and not really floating, but not putting their impression in quite the right place in the room somehow? It seems to me that something big is missing from this picture, that 'parallel worlds' is the closest idea we have but its not quite right. I'm not criticizing, just fishing around for that missing piece. Yes I've had one flying experience similar to the one mentioned in my original post about 2 years ago. I woke up in what i thought was my room and saw the brown curtains covering my apt balcony shimmering a bright yellow orange color that reminded of the sun. I was completely lucid, everything about my room seemed normal except my curtains. So I starred at it for a few moments and then was pulled out through the shimmering curtains pass the balcony rail which my foot grazed just before I cleared it. I was then flying at high speeds over my neighborhood. It was At this point that I realized I was astral projecting. I wanted to talk to the being that pulled me out my room.So I said reveal yourself to me. Up popped a thought cloud that reminded of twitter with out the bird logo. In side the thought bubble was a greeting message pretty much conveying that they were there to assist me. I asked some other questions but I can't remember what was communicated back to me through the bubble. The being then started pulling me vertically. Nothing was communicated at this point but it was clear to me that they wanted to show me what space looked like. I looked down and saw how high I was and how fast I was increasing altitude and freaked out. So I tried to pull back. What ended up happening was I somehow projecting my awareness about 300 ft away from where my astral body was flying. From about three hundred feet away I could see my astral body struggling suspended in mid air as if it was trying to pull away from something invisible hugging it very tightly. I think overlapping between the astral plane and physical planes do occur much like when your In between radio stations, you can hear both the music station and news stations melding as one but distorted. Example sometimes I'll be immersed in something like a television program then see a distinct figure move just on the cusp of my peripheral vision. I know I saw it because I immediately snap my neck to that direction only to find it not there. I believe this is simply a brief melding of the dream planes and physical planes. Parallel universes can be illustrated to us in other ways. For example your story about your driver license I think it was?? Materializing from one place to another with out you physically placing it in position. Surely u know u didn't put it where it was eventually found. I believe the switch from one universe to another is so subtle and seem less that we barely even notice as it should be or physical life would be very disorienting. Another example of the seamless transition between realities can be observed through indirect techniques for obe ap experiences. When performing the technique u simply have the intention to separate at the moment upon awakening. At that moment if successful u go from normal observations of your room to full blown vibrations with the same room being observed when u awoke. But it is not your room we know this because If you knock down a lamp it will still be standing when you awake. You were witnessing a parallel version of your room and under indirect techniques the transition was seamless. Your only cue was vibration which the way I understand it were already doing just on a subtle level.

[Psionik]

Flying means that we are not ruled by gravitation. And that we have powers which couldn't be manifested in physical world. In my experience, parallel worlds do exist. (my subjective opinion based on experience) I have had projections where I was in such dimension... And I saw myself there. Rules of physic are similar to our dimension. I think In one such projection the time flowed either slower, or I projected also back in time. There was more relaxed socialistic regime in my country there than here, and also I was going to elementary school. My other self didn't exercise relaxation and concentration for reaching OBE there. That is some 10 years ago so a few things could have changed. Other parallel earth contains me at current age, but I'm with other wife and I have with her 2 girls and one boy(in this one I have 4 girls). I was much more experienced in OBE there. My other self there was travelling very often. (around 4 years old projection) Seeing into physical world (this one) I had around 17 years ago. I was training exercise to reach OBE, but I was very close to meditation when I projected into bluish gray space. I felt like I have see what one of my friend is doing, and suddenly there was something like diffuse tunnel... and looked into it. And I saw that friend walking frustrated around high temperature furnace in laboratory. I told her a few hours about that experience and vision, and she confirmed doing that. She really had problems with furnace, the thermocouple didn't function right with controller. And she needed to do experiment with sintering of high temperature superconductor of new composition. This is one of my projection which I believe partially proves reality of OBE.