Thread: Shared Dreaming, Fake and Real Shared Dreams.

Originally Posted by floatinghead

flowofmysoul - those further traveled '5 dreams' that you referred to

Glad you found my post interesting.
Here are those dreams, I am going to come back from nap and I will answer the rest of your reply. I have only 4 links, the 5th one I did not post anywhere.

Going Further | flow of my soul
Me Inside Another Body | flow of my soul
The Final Dream | flow of my soul
Adventure on a Alien Planet | flow of my soul

Shared Dreaming, Fake and Real Shared Dreams.

You all know that I am all into Beyond Dreaming stuff and I always try to be open minded. I believe to promote Lucid Dreaming and to advance our self in its capabilities we need to stop lying to our self.

We need to look for facts, patterns of what seems to be coincidence, proofs and so on.

Add to consideration anything that is suggested or proven by science, gather experience from all over the community and try to achieve something new, something that nobody has ever achieved yet.

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There are a lot of experienced lucid dreamers on this community, I am sure you will understand me.

Fake Nightmare Shared Dreams and Why They Work?

I found several threads where people claim that they can invade others dreams and give them nightmares.You all know how control of our dream works, our inner intentions and expectations are doing all the work. When those guys are offering you to get a nightmare, they ask you

"what are you greatest fears?".

You tell them your fears, at the same time you already image how would it look like, to make it even more intense, they will tell you their version of how it would look like. Intentionally or unintentionally you will think of it, you will imagine how would it look like.

So you basically program your self to have a nightmare.

That's not all, when you go to sleep, somewhere deep inside you expect this to happen, even you you are a total disbeliever you will keep a slightest possibility that it might be true.

It gets even worse when you are a believer, you fear of what will happen with you during next sleep, what you do is you create pure intention to get exactly that nightmare that you asked for or that nightmare that you'v been told about.

Take SP as an example, you can see how powerful is fear and what kind of intentions it does create. Fear is something very hard to control, you might not realize it but you create a powerful intention by simply being scared of something.

Inexperienced lucid dreamers get scared of a SP sleep Paralysis) phenomena and by that they are bringing their biggest fear into life.Then you see people getting nightmares and saying 'Woooah! He invaded my dreams and it was so scary" and so on... They do not understand what brought that nightmare and they think it was a shared dream.

Why shared? Because you expected those people to give you a nightmare and intentionally or unintentionally you believe they did it.If you come to a point where you get this nightmare and get very scared you will loose all control of your dream.

Advanced lucid dreamers know this feeling, I believe everybody lost control of their dreams due to fear when they were new to lucid dreaming. In this cases you will be even more convinced that somebody invaded your dream.

Fake Shared Dream With a Person You Know

Boundary between real shared dream and fake shared dream might be very small here.When two people who know each other, try to get a shared dream they might get it, but is it really a shared dream?

In most cases no. Two people who know each other, often participate in similar conversations, they participate in same events and share some beliefs. If they don't know about shared dreaming, most probably they will simply consider it as another dream where they saw their friend.

But give the a little idea of having a shared dream between each other and every time both of them dream of each other, they will consider it a shared dream, or a possibility of shared dream. Sometimes even conversations might match, because they used to talk to each other a lot. Often they do not recall complete text of conversations, when they start talking about it in real life, their mind fills the missing gaps with what they wish it to be.

So in reality what many people consider a shared dream is simply a normal lucid dream about each other, dreaming of dream version of your friend.I am talking about it from my experience and from experienced that I got in this community.

I had a friend who was lucid dreamer too, both of us were lucid dreaming almost every night. At that time we already were pretty advanced and we often tried to have a shared dream.

In the beginning it seems awesome, we thought it was that easy and we got so many shared dreams! But later we tried to prove that and failed all our attempts to do so. We had a plan to remember as many small details as possible, by comparing details we can know if it could the same dream. In every shared dream we found differences in some details,

different hair styles,
different color of clothes,
different voices,
different behavior,
different details of decorations around us.

We also tried to exchange information, we failed all attempts to do so as well.*

I know you guys believe that numbers and text are hard to read, but don't you think that it might be a bias to think so.

Both me and my friend learned lucid dreaming on our own, we got the idea of how to do it and that was it, the rest we learned our self. We did not have any prejudice thinking about problems with text or number so we never had those problems in our lucid dreams. I know sometimes it is hard to remember the exact text because our mind is thinking different in dreams, you can always wake up and repeat that word or a phrase couple of times in order to remember it exactly how it was.

I believe that the reason why the majority of people believe that text and numbers are hard or impossible to read is that because it was mentioned in few famous books about lucid dreaming and then this belief transferred to most communities.

Look at beliefs in Russian community, dreamhackers. Most of them read the same Russian books about lucid dreaming and they all believe that they dream in the same location, they all have some labyrinths, gates and levels and same monsters there, they do not even understand that they can create their realms and so on. That looks funny to us right? But they are sure that it is the only right version.

I guess I went little out of topic.

What is Real Shared Dream and How Can We Prove One?

This questions always stays open for me, I would suggest some kind of data exchange like text and numbers, or maybe replace it with something more symbolic?*

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Remembering small details and then sharing them to each other, but not with the way of chatting, we need to develop some way to exchange information at the same time.

For example if two users suspect that they might had a shared dream, they could send each other a detailed descriptions of what they saw, what happened, how they looked, colors, sizes of objects around them, any possible details. If they could send those details to each other at the same time, they would not be able to complete the missing gaps with what their mind with what they want to.

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I would suggest some kind of online room, where they come, write their text and then 3rd party member unlocks both descriptions for each other at the same time

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Shared Dreaming, Fake and Real Shared Dreams - Part 2

Lately my opinion on Shared Dreaming was split in two.

I feel like I have to go both ways at once, picking one path only, would be close minded in my opinion. Will see which one will bring more results, then I can decide what is the right way to go.

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1st way

Shared dreaming that we've been talking about in this thread. Two people who have some kind of connection, most probably better to have some emotional connection. Trying to meet in some location, would it be a place familiar and close to both dreamers, or it could be just a point on the map, some coordinates and photos attached. Looking for some scenario sync's in dreams, looking for some symbolical sync's, finding some logic.

Probably exchanging some data like passwords or numbers. Moving forward step by step until we reach some good success.

2nd way

Random Shared Dream or simply 'RSD'.

This idea mostly came up to me due to my experience in SDing. Both of my what I consider genuine Shared Dreams happened with an unknown random person. Everything what happened in my life before and after could be coincidence, could be and most probably is the same 'fake shared dream with a person you know' that I was talking about.*

My first Shared Dream:

I did not write a single DJ in first 5 years of lucid dreaming, this was my first posted dream on the web. It was my*

"The Final Dream"
(by) flowofmysoul

At that time I was still shocked of this dream, this was the dream that made me to decide to quit lucid dreaming at that time.*

I first posted it around 1 year ago on some forum that was not even connected to lucid dreaming.

After few days, one girl pm'ed me and said that she had exactly the same dream at around the same time.

I did not know her at all, at that time I did not know anything about her.

At first I thought it might be just another similar dream, but it wasn't. I asked her to share some details, and what she wrote was amazing.

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This RSD had everything to prove for me that Shared Dreaming does exist.

What she wrote were small details that I never mentioned to anybody, she described the same objects in room, their size and color. She described the same smell. Both symbolical and emotional syns's were here. She felt exactly the same I did, she had very similar thoughts on what was happening there. She knew all details that I did not post in that topic.

It was like another 'me' telling me the same story. She had little bit different interpretation of few things, but those were really small thoughts. And it was impossible to get more sync's that I got in that one single LD.*

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My second Shared Dream

:This will sound weird to you, but I do not have a single proof or sync about this dream. It is one sided experience, unless the second party will ever find and contact me.

The reason why I believe it was a Shared Dream are simply my feelings, my intuition and my experience in lucid dreaming.

Here it is

"Random Shared Dream"
by flowofmysoul

I am very advanced in my*dream control, and I usually know why and where things happen. I know when they should not happen, in 6 years I got enough experience in Lucid Dreaming, taking the fact that I LD almost every night and all dreams are lucid.*

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All DC's are usually like NPC's in games, some of them seems to be active, but I always see some robotness in them. There are unique DC's, but still they do not behave just like humans do.

What happened in this dream was out of order.

Girl in this RSD was behaving on her own, nothing affected her. None of my thoughts or intentions could control her.

I have one of my spells that I call "clearness" this is when I do not like something in my dream, or I am not sure and I simply use 'clearness' and every single DC in my dream disappears.

When I saw her doing the same thing, I was very surprised.

I could never think that one of my DC's would use that kind of trick. When she did that 'clearness' spell of her own, I was pretty sure she is not one of my DC's and this is something different, maybe another LDer.

When she took my hand and we walked through the door and appeared in another place, I was also shocked, because she did it fully intentionally, she knew where we are going and what for.

Also I knew that she did not expect me to control her dream, she was very surprised when I teleported us back to the hotel.

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How Can We Recognize a Shared Dream?

I believe this is one of the main questions that we have to answer in order to succeed in Shared Dreaming.

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Think for a second, we might be missing Shared Dreams every second night. Both Shared Dreams with people you know, people you want to dream with or just Random Shared Dreams with people you never saw or heard of. Other dreamers might be somewhere really close to us, they might be one of our DC's, they could be one of our Dream Guides, they could be somewhere near us but we do not pay attention to them or we fail to recognize that they are unique.

We might be missing so many opportunities to meet some random people in our dreams, both lucid and non-lucid and invite them here to DV or simply give them idea of our nickname.

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Shared Dream Check(SDC) and All Night Awareness(ANA)

So how can we recognize a shared dream, how can we recognize another dreamers?

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First of all we have to understand that we will be looking for both, Lucid Dreamers and Non-Lucid Dreamers,

They would behave completely different.

I think we can develop a habit similar to that one that we developed when we achieved our first lucid dream, the old-school*reality checks*and reminders, as well as the ADA of meeting other dreamers.

This might sound complicated, but I believe it is possible and only looks complicated for the first time.

When we were not lucid, we also thought that lucid dreaming is complicated, but when we learned how to do it, it does not look that complicated anymore.

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So, can we develop a habit of seeing strange patterns in behavior of all DC's?*Can we develop a habit of seeing strange patterns in behavior of our dream world and see or feel the difference when our dream world changes in some weird way, that might be unintentionally or intentionally controlled by other dreamers?*

Just like you did your first unintentional reality check inside your dream that made you lucid, we can develop a state of awareness of other dreamers inside our dream that will someday trigger that*Shared Dream Check*tool.

Just like we became lucid, we can become aware of other dreamers inside our dreams.

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I think this will be too much to mix both, awareness of reality and awareness of presence of other dreamers in waking life.

We should develop*All Night Awareness, that would be focused on finding strange behavior of DC's and strange behavior or changes in Dream World.

Combined with Shared Dream Check, we can learn to recognize other people(dreamers) in our dreams.

Shared Dream Check should be done in Lucid Dreams, might be even done in Non-Lucid's as both, way to become lucid and way to recognize a shared dream.

This is like second level of awareness.

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Last edited by Scionox; Today at*02:37 AM.*Reason:*Edited by OP's requests I promised...

Originally Posted by flowofmysoul

You don't even need to go through all 4 steps, just pick up a number and remember it, or write it down if you cant remember. As soon you confirm the same number, you can change it.

But it's not that simple, so we are trying to figure out how could we do it confidently.

I think the only way to really prove shared dreaming is to learn how to do it on daily basis, anytime somebody ask's you to do it - you do it. Otherwise it will be always considered luck or something else. But I think we can't just jump from nothing to everything, we have to learn it step by step.

Originally Posted by TehDalek

This is very interesting. Is that password you speak of what ailita was talking about when she mentioned birthday banana?
I am really interested in participating in a shared dream experience, and if someone could somehow find me to share a dream with, maybe I can do the same with others.
Sounds like you, alter, nomad, etc speak of scaring them into awareness, then doing the email thing. I read a dream from nomad and raven about how they entered through a portal. They saw a guy and told him he was dreaming. From all of the things your group has said, I think it may be easy to do. All it takes is a belief it can be done, and a small amount of dream control.
Basically, I'd like someone to initiate one with me, but I think I will try to do this in my next lucid if I remember. Create a portal, find someone, make it a point to get them to remember a certain detail when they wake up.
I know firsthand how hard it is to remember specific names, conversations, phrases, etc from dreams, but if you can succeed, which it sounds like you have, it would be worth it.

You could give out a phone number instead of an email, or use numbers as your password, but numbers seem to be more difficult to remember.
Both the email and pass need to be very easy to remember, like [email protected] and pizza for the password. Numbers are inferior and fallible because of the fact that among other reasons, you can guess them, especially if you are using a place like this to "confirm" a shared dream simply by seeing how closely peoples DJs match. Even if the guessed number doesn't match exactly you may believe the dream was shared because of similarities in the dream. However, if someone were to know even just your email, even if the password is off by a bit, simply by sending a similar password to an email you have never given to anyone outside of your dreams you will know that the information was indeed transferred through the dream and not simply guessed or someone messing with you.

You should also attempt to wake the person up immediately after giving the information or else they may go on to have more dreams and forget about the shared dream altogether.

In the alter/ailita situation, yes the password was birthday banana. And she was given this information at the very end of her nightmare right before waking.

Another thing to note is that so far I have had zero success with targeting individuals, it only happens randomly with random people. In alter's case I believe he does not even personally enter into a persons dreams. More like he "broadcasts" his own dreams in the hope that it will leech on to someone. For example, picture how your tv may receive a signal from the cable or satellite company but in most cases doesn't send information back to the company. The signal is one way. So it seems easier to influence a persons dreams and send the messages such as the email and password, without actually going into the dream. We build a dream and broadcast it, other people receive the dream, but we personally have no idea what the details of the dream are beyond what we have pre-programmed the dream to be.

I attempt to use multiple methods simultaneously but so far all the success seems to be through sending information 1 way.

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Another thing to note as that nightmares seem to assist not only with recall, but also with the wakeup.
And another thing I like to do mostly as an additional layer of confirmation is to play music in the dream. Something loud and emotionally charged, like brutal metal or something.

Originally Posted by Mylynes

You should also attempt to wake the person up immediately after giving the information or else they may go on to have more dreams and forget about the shared dream altogether.

Very good point here Mylynes. Also prior to waking them up, you can ask them to repeat that phrase they remembered couple of times, you can ask them to recall that moment.

Originally Posted by floatinghead

Have you tried contacting the woman you met in the dream again?

I met her again by accident on youtube comments, how small is this world I have her contacts, but I do not want to contact her unless I have something to offer. I don't want to say that I wanna do a shared dream but I have no idea how to do it.

Originally Posted by floatinghead

In regards to a 'random' shared dream - I have had a few. They actually seem to be easier to achieve than dreams you WANT to share on purpose.

Many things in Lucid Dreaming seems to be easy unintentionally. For example, most of my distant realities dreams were like that. Yea at first I tried so hard, I thought of something distant and so on. But it never happened the same night. As soon as I left the idea of thinking about it every evening and I went to bed without any thoughts I got my first distant reality dream.
So I am now confused how to bring up that true honest intention of dreaming in a particular place. If I am thinking about it, I will most probably not have it. If I do not think of it, how would I get it? I think I should somehow inject that idea into my mind and leave it over, let it flow naturally

By the way, sometimes I try to do some kind of inception with my wife. I am trying to make her dream of something, or maybe share a dream. She does not know that, she is never lucid. So it is one-sided, but when she tells me what he was dreaming about, I am always waiting to get some sync's.. step by step maybe I will one day get a perfect sync with her. Or maybe even I will make her recall some word or phrase... Like 'flow of my soul'... that would be super cool. Because she has no idea about who is 'flowofmysoul'.
I often see her as one of my DC's, so maybe I need to learn to recognize the real her when I am dreaming somewhere close to real her.

Last night I was trying to find somebody's location, for some time I could not get there, every time I got there I was sure that I just created a new dreamworld that looks similar to that place. But every time I failed, I woke up to think of it, and the more I woke up and came back to search I felt like I had more and more power in my dreams. Hard to explain that feeling, but every time it seemed to be easier, at some point this feeling became so strong that I had one idea that came to me. I thought, why look for one person, with this power I can transmit my thoughts to as many places and people as possible. In the same LD I came to the conclusion that I have to focus on what I was doing and keep that idea for next night. I woke up, thought of it and decided to come back to searching. Had no success in finding the person I was looking for, but this idea of transmitting information seems to be interesting.

Tonight I will definitely try to do it. I guess it is enough to transmit my nickname, if people would search it on google, they would find my blog and they would understand the whole thing. I tried to do that for couple of seconds, and it looked like huge electromagnetic pulse. Something like this - http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/20...anymede105.jpg

I will keep doing both, trying to transmit things and looking for particular people.

Closest sync during lats month:

This night I was trying to locate few people from DV in a shared dream, did not find any success there. The same night I had a weird LD where I found an evil immortal snake, sometimes when I tried to burn it, it shapeshifted to a girl that grabbed my hand while I was trying to burn that snake, then bited me back as a snake again. In the beginning of this dream there was my wife there in the same apartment where I saw the snake. My wife tried to run from the snake when she bit her arm. I am not when exactly I had this dream, but according to some users on DV it was Friday morning. At Friday to Saturday night my wife had a dream where she ran from the snake and she bit her arm.

There is a one day difference, I don't count it as a shared dream, but it was a close sync. There was no reason for us to dream of the snake, because we did not see a snake during last month and we did not watch a movie about any snakes, nor we talked about them.

So this shared dreaming is new to me. I believe I had an accidental shared dream with a close family member several years ago and that's about the extent of it until I became a member here. The last 2 or three nights, I have felt like I had to close a window or black out an obtrusive vision. I believed that vision to be another dreamer. I dont know how or why it happened, but I was in the middle of my nightly meditation and almost reaching a white light when this face appears. The eyes were the most dramatic golden brown and huge! I took notice only for a second then willed myself back to my breathing and meditation. I kept trying to Not let the entity back into my consciousness and get back to the white light. Then I get another glimpse and there was hair and a forehead like a monkey and those same eyes! this time it looked a little sad and confused. I blocked it out again, this time setting my minds eye to a complete black screen, then surrounded myself with pink. I was thinking, "stay positive, don't let them in, just start over and go to gold light iinstead. Shortly after, I just gave up and tried to go to sleep.
There have been many very vibrant hypnogogic vision just flooding me lately, and while they are interesting, I just try to not pay too much attention or else I would be in fantasy land all day researching stuff.
This morning, I had another vibrant vision. It started off as though I was looking into a brightly colored room full of interesting little trinkets, only it was like there was a veil over my face dulling the vibrancy. For just a split second, the veil slid to the side. I had a glimpse of the room and it was so cheerful and colorful and vibrant. It was just sooo my cup of tea so to say. Anyway, I felt that maybe I had invaded someone else's dream and I just woke up. I have never had this feeling so strongly before which is why I posted the is it rude thread. Thank you WakingNomad for the links.
Is this what is happening? Is it like this for others of you that have shared dreams or is it possible that just reading all of these threads has had an influence?
This is new territory for me so I would appreciate any constructive input and suggestions.

Saw this movie today, it is partially about lucid shared dreams, I am advising you to watch it too
Aurora (2012) - IMDb

Thank you for the link. Hopefully I'll be able to get it on netflicks.

"There is a window from one Heart to another Heart." This window must be open to do things like shared dreaming and such.

Sorry to be poetic, but this is true.