Communication with the dead

[Mylynes]

This thread is the result of a conversation in pms which has got me thinking. Could it be possible to communicate with dead people in your dreams? Sure, but for it to actually be them and not a DC? One way to test this which the other person came up with, would be to attempt to get them to tell you the acc name and password of an acc they had while still living. If you can get access to their facebook acc or skype acc or something, then it would be hard to explain away as just a dc. Anyone have ideas on how possible something like this may be?

[shadowofwind]

Seances were all the rage ~150 years ago. Waking or sleeping it amounts to the same thing I think. But there aren't clear dividing lines between 'just making stuff up' and 'talking to dim reflection of a dead person', and neither of those is the same as 'talking to a dead person', which makes less sense the more you think about it. Other forms of 'channeling' were a lot more popular in the past than they are now also. Edgar Cayce would be the most famous example of someone who did this while asleep rather than while awake. If you read his stuff, and you've read a lot of other stuff, its clear that what he put out was pretty much a regurgitation of the zeitgeist of the time. In other words, though there was apparently something psychically real going on, it didn't bring in new knowledge. Though they all imagined that they were channeling 'ascended masters' or God or some other higher authority, the content didn't extend beyond what was already in the human mental pool.

[Baron Samedi]

I perceived to commune with the dead. They told me the Dream World is the Afterlife, and we make it whatever we want to. We can make it a Hell or Heaven, visit people's dreams, and become ghostlike or godlike if we wish. The Afterlife/Dreamworld is where we go in the long sleep between lives. I have also had dreams of being one of four Archdemons ruling over a Hell plane in another dimension. We punished Templars and made them pick flowers for a physical lifetime.

[Sivason]

Is it important to prove such a thing? When I get to spend a few minutes with my father in an LD, I could care less about proving anything. The important part is that it feels very real and I get flooded with emotion and feel just like I did when he was alive. If I believe it, what does it matter to me to try and prove it?

[shadowofwind]

Possible clarification....When I was talking about seances, I was thinking about having intellectual conversations with dead people, where a person asks them questions and tries to get information and whatnot. I wasn't talking about the deeper, more spiritual connection that a person has through love, which does stand somewhat outside of time as I experience it, and is possible with dead people.

[Mylynes]

So what do you think of the confirmation method. How else could you explain things if a dead person gives you their acc info in a dream, and then it actually works irl? When my time comes to die in this world, I will be attempting to give out info for my online accounts and continue to communicate with this world and invade peoples dreams.

[Baron Samedi]

So what do you think of the confirmation method. How else could you explain things if a dead person gives you their acc info in a dream, and then it actually works irl? When my time comes to die in this world, I will be attempting to give out info for my online accounts and continue to communicate with this world and invade peoples dreams. I think that idea makes sense. I would like to do get my dead cousin's password to his faceboook. I have talked to him a lot in dreams. He made a huge city-like banyan tree on the Green Moon. Hopefully I can. I plan on living on the Moon after I exit Wakeworld. I personally do not fear what may happen after death, because of my experiences in the Dreamworld. I only fear a slow painful death, and the sadness of the people I love.

[Dthoughts]

I personally do not fear what may happen after death, because of my experiences in the Dreamworld. I only fear a slow painful death, and the sadness of the people I love. People always say they fear the moment before death, not the post-mortem state. But why should you fear anything? There is nothing else to do but to endure pain while it lasts. A short endurance compared to the earth for example. 1.3 billion years old. The bright side is that it is all gone once the transition happened. Nothing will be left of the physical but a fading memory.

[shadowofwind]

I'm not afraid of death either. What I'm afraid of is that the natural order in our world is pretty much the only way nature can work, with cruelty and deception, and that collectively we'll be trapped in it forever. I don't think the password test works for proving communication with dead people. In the telepathy experiences I have with living people, time is never concurrent. The content shared could be something that the person will know in the future as easily as something they know now or knew in the past. So were I to get a password from my dead roommate 'Richard', for instance, the connection could be with him from before he died four years ago rather than with him 'now'. Actually I'd bet strongly on the 'Richard of four years ago' connection, because that's when he exists as a human personality, with the memory of the password in his brain. Maybe its somewhere else too, but we know it was in his brain, and so far I've not experienced evidence that memories are anywhere else, notwithstanding that it seems to be possible to access memories in other people's brains. I think that getting a password for the 'four years ago Richard' would be pretty hard too though, for pretty much the same reason that people have trouble transferring passwords in shared dreams. On the positive side, this sort of thing shows that we're not completely locked into the flow of time, which amounts to a kind of immortality. And it shows that we're not isolated from each other, that we're not completely trapped in our individual human experience. I think this is closely related to why I'm not afraid of dying. But I'm also vanishingly close to 100% certain that dying doesn't really solve anything either. I long for death sort of like how a heroin addict longs for a high, but I know its not an answer, whether I die tomorrow or when I'm 90. I had an experience with my daughter shortly before she was conceived. The 'her' in that dream was someone beyond who she is now as a little girl. I doubt I could get a password from that version of her, and she wouldn't care about that either. And maybe this was a 'future her' I was in the presence of, like when she's an old lady. She seemed ancient. And maybe she's more ancient than that in another way. But in any case, I think that the 'before life' implies the existence of an 'after life' also, and that it would be similar.

[Baron Samedi]

People always say they fear the moment before death, not the post-mortem state. But why should you fear anything? Because pain sucks. It seems to me that most people fear pain. If you think you don't, ask a friend to hold the business end of a needle an inch from your open eyeball, and see if your heart rate increases. There is nothing else to do but to endure pain while it lasts. I disagree. Seems to me there are many options to deal with pain besides just enduring it. I have severe chronic pain, and I have found that medicine, water, food, air, massage, stretching, and exercise all help reduce pain. Just enduring seems the worst option to me. A short endurance compared to the earth for example. 1.3 billion years old. The bright side is that it is all gone once the transition happened. Nothing will be left of the physical but a fading memory. May be!