Shared Dreaming Debate

**Baron Samedi** · 08-13-2011 11:51 AM

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**XeL** · 08-13-2011 12:16 PM

I think there should be another option:

"I might've experienced it"

That's what I'd vote for.

**Mancon** · 08-13-2011 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by XeL

I think there should be another option:

"I might've experienced it"

That's what I'd vote for.

Same here.

**Bobblehat** · 08-13-2011 12:51 PM

WakingNomad, is there a place on here I can go to see the evidence?

**Marm** · 08-13-2011 02:03 PM

Might be possible with aid of technology; an incredibly advanced one.

Can someone give me an actual definition of "shared dreaming" because I typed it into Google and it just comes up with "Inception"

*Facepalm*

**Solarflare** · 08-13-2011 03:52 PM

i voted 'i need to experence it'

**JussiKala** · 08-13-2011 04:14 PM

I cannot make such a broad statement as "I need to experience it", so I chose the one below it.

I would believe it if I would experience it myself, but only if it was incredibly accurate. As in, if I found out I had a shared dream with someone, and they could tell me in detail everything that happened without errors. And due to the short nature of most of my dreams, maybe a more than a couple of times too. One or two somewhat relating dreams wouldn't be enough to convince me. Don't tell me I'm not being open minded, I am technically. Everything I currently think I know just goes against the very aspect of shared dreaming as people like wakingnomad put it, so I need the appropriate proof of its existance before I consider it "the most probably explonation".

Basically, I currently think that it's quite unlikely. But a couple of good experiences would push me in a position where I wouldn't know what to believe. In that situation, I would probably try to do experimentation and see where that leads me.

But the last thing I would ever even think of doing is try to explain it away with some pseudo-science and shove it in other peoples faces. No. I am not an expert on any subject fit to this matter, so I don't find myself worthy of even a say in how it all would work.

**MischiefManaged** · 08-13-2011 04:27 PM

Voted for "Yes, because I have experienced it."

I'm lucky, because if I had any doubts on this matter, it would eat me up.

**Baron Samedi** · 08-13-2011 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Bobblehat

WakingNomad, is there a place on here I can go to see the evidence?

Shared Dream FAQ > shared dream Journals

Originally Posted by ThePieMan

Might be possible with aid of technology; an incredibly advanced one.

Can someone give me an actual definition of "shared dreaming" because I typed it into Google and it just comes up with "Inception"

*Facepalm*

Sharing a dream with someone else. Having the same dream as someone else.

**Bobblehat** · 08-13-2011 06:27 PM

Sorry WakingNomad, my crystal ball is missing. Where do I find Shared Dream FAQ? I looked at the FAQ menu up the top, I looked in the DJs and I looked in Beyond Dreaming. Where is it?

**Robo** · 08-13-2011 07:13 PM

I personally believe in shared dreaming. a long time ago, I was playing some online game. I met someone there who was interested in shared dreaming when I talked about it. If I remember correctly, our dreams synced up by the second time we tried it, and worked at least twice more before we fell out of contact.

Edit: I also have apparently had several appearances in nomad's old dream journal, although I did not remember any of it.

**Baron Samedi** · 08-13-2011 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Bobblehat

Sorry WakingNomad, my crystal ball is missing. Where do I find Shared Dream FAQ? I looked at the FAQ menu up the top, I looked in the DJs and I looked in Beyond Dreaming. Where is it?

It's all around you.

Originally Posted by ThePieMan

Oh... then IMO:

Sharing a dream with someone else => Impossible.

Having the same dream with someone else => Coincidence.

What is the difference between sharing a dream and with someone else and having the same dream with someone else to you?

**Robo** · 08-13-2011 07:47 PM

How many times does something need to be able to be able to be reproduced before it is no longer coincidence? for me, I've repeated shared dreaming enough to prove to myself that there is more than just coincidence going on.

**Baron Samedi** · 08-13-2011 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Robo

How many times does something need to be able to be able to be reproduced before it is no longer coincidence? for me, I've repeated shared dreaming enough to prove to myself that there is more than just coincidence going on.

It's a coincidence that I see this video and the author has zzz zzz in his username. It's a coincidence that 222 keeps reappearing in my life. Another coincidence yesterday, is when I was talking about UFO's to my family last might, my uncle awoke from a dream, and said, "I just had a dream about big silvery ball in the ground. I was on a construction team, and we were trying to get it out of the soil. A big silver orb thing."

Coincidence means 2 things coinciding. My life is one big giant coincidence. It's a coincidence that after 22, 222, and 2222 keep reappearing in my life I find out I was conceived on November 22, 1974. It's a coincidence that my mom is a twin, and I was conceived on her birthday. It's also a coincidence that my ascendant birth sign is Gemini. It's a coincidence that my mom and my aunt both have four children, the first from one father, the last three from another. That's a coincidence.

Coincidences happen to me all the time, all around me. When people hang out with me, coincidences always happen, and then they nervously laugh. I laugh madly and tell them I am magic.

**Moto** · 08-13-2011 09:03 PM

I would believe it if I would experience it myself, but only if it was incredibly accurate. As in, if I found out I had a shared dream with someone, and they could tell me in detail everything that happened without errors. And due to the short nature of most of my dreams, maybe a more than a couple of times too. One or two somewhat relating dreams wouldn't be enough to convince me. Don't tell me I'm not being open minded, I am technically. Everything I currently think I know just goes against the very aspect of shared dreaming as people like wakingnomad put it, so I need the appropriate proof of its existance before I consider it "the most probably explonation".

Yo, Im not trying to criticize you at all...but I this is what I want you to think about. Drink 4 shots back to back with a friend, then go to the movies, then out to dinner, 2 more shots, then walk around in the forest for a while, then walk back home. 2 days later I want you to ask them what they remember of the experience, NO ERRORS. If they can't remember 3 out of the 5 things that happened in perfect detail, the experience didn't exist, because you guys didn't agree on the details. Thats basically what you are telling me with that comment. Its not that you are not being open minded, you aren't just thinking it through. If a person can't tell you the details when they are fully awake of an experience 2 days later, what makes you think they will remember something the next day when they are half asleep? And a short one at that. Remember exactly what happened yesterday at 3:30 pm. Exactly, no errors, remember? I mean think about it...if you can, then lets share a dream( something which I don't normally do, I hate people close to me when I sleep, physically and mentally). In any case, something to think about.

**Marm** · 08-13-2011 09:06 PM

To say shared dreaming is possible is to say that transmission of information between 2 or more minds is possible. Since we have no knowledge at all about how this is even remotely possible, we can set up a controlled experiment whereby a dreamer is assigned the task of sending a distinct and random message to another dreamer also under the same conditions. An empirical experiment like this is a simple way of obtaining the relevant information regarding the validity of shared dreaming. Under these particular settings, no dream practitioner have been able to produce the desired results.

Of course these sorts of experiments are by no means definitive because it may just turn out that shared dreaming is very much possible. There are still vast areas of the human brain that we haven't the faintest idea what purpose or function they serve. It could be one of those things where we think it exists, but just do not have the means to prove it.

**Robo** · 08-13-2011 09:56 PM

skip to 7:40, if you don't want to watch the whole thing.

Apparently, if I'm interpreting this correctly, there is some evidence that thoughts can go from mind to mind.

**Baron Samedi** · 08-13-2011 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by ThePieMan

To say shared dreaming is possible is to say that transmission of information between 2 or more minds is possible. Since we have no knowledge at all about how this is even remotely possible, we can set up a controlled experiment whereby a dreamer is assigned the task of sending a distinct and random message to another dreamer also under the same conditions. An empirical experiment like this is a simple way of obtaining the relevant information regarding the validity of shared dreaming. Under these particular settings, no dream practitioner have been able to produce the desired results.

Of course these sorts of experiments are by no means definitive because it may just turn out that shared dreaming is very much possible. There are still vast areas of the human brain that we haven't the faintest idea what purpose or function they serve. It could be one of those things where we think it exists, but just do not have the means to prove it.

What is the difference between "sharing a dream and with someone else" and "having the same dream with someone else" mean to you?

**Baron Samedi** · 08-13-2011 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by Robo

skip to 7:40, if you don't want to watch the whole thing.

Apparently, if I'm interpreting this correctly, there is some evidence that thoughts can go from mind to mind.

it's also a coicidence that 333 appears here, which is another number that keeps appearing to me.

**Robo** · 08-13-2011 10:04 PM

I'm not sure what you are trying to say Nomad, why are you pointing out the numbers?
I admit I didn't notice that one, but when I do notice things like that I usually take it as something I should pay attention to.

**Baron Samedi** · 08-13-2011 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by Robo

I'm not sure what you are trying to say Nomad, why are you pointing out the numbers?
I admit I didn't notice that one, but when I do notice things like that I usually take it as something I should pay attention to.

Because it's an interesting coincidence.

**Puffin** · 08-13-2011 11:33 PM

I've had two possible shared-dreaming experiences. I'm not sure if this might count for something, but the same person I had these two dreams with, both of us came up with the same idea at around the same time.

**Atras** · 08-13-2011 11:48 PM

Ive had many posible ones, Ive had two confirmed.

**XeL** · 08-14-2011 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by Moto

Yo, Im not trying to criticize you at all...but I this is what I want you to think about. Drink 4 shots back to back with a friend, then go to the movies, then out to dinner, 2 more shots, then walk around in the forest for a while, then walk back home. 2 days later I want you to ask them what they remember of the experience, NO ERRORS. If they can't remember 3 out of the 5 things that happened in perfect detail, the experience didn't exist, because you guys didn't agree on the details. Thats basically what you are telling me with that comment. Its not that you are not being open minded, you aren't just thinking it through. If a person can't tell you the details when they are fully awake of an experience 2 days later, what makes you think they will remember something the next day when they are half asleep? And a short one at that. Remember exactly what happened yesterday at 3:30 pm. Exactly, no errors, remember? I mean think about it...if you can, then lets share a dream( something which I don't normally do, I hate people close to me when I sleep, physically and mentally). In any case, something to think about.

I really agree with this. I once went to see a trial with my society studies teacher, and I was extremely surprised by how different the witnesses stories were, despite the fact that they'd all been at the exact same place, experiencing the same event. I've said this many times and I'll say it again: Subjective reality is a fact.

**Oneironaut Zero** · 08-14-2011 11:49 AM

As a kid, I vaguely remember having 'shared dreaming' experiences with my best friend - in that we would talk about having similar experiences in dreams. Being older, though, I wonder how much of those accounts were identical, and how much of it might have just been two kids happily corroborating each others' stories.

I still find the subject interesting, but I know that - in such a topic - it is so easy to be fooled by one's own mind, and people tend to forget how vulnerable to suggestion and faith that we really are. It is for this reason, that I chose the "maybe, but it must be scientifically proven." Now, you must understand that this does not mean that a mainstream, scientific community must officially sign off on the concept. It means, at the very least, that I have to have proven it to myself, through some pretty rigorous testing. Personally, at this time, I don't have a belief that information can travel from mind to mind, although I'm quite familiar with some of the more plausible theories as to how it could, and I remain open-minded.

In the past, I have dabbled in trying to accomplish metaphysical goals while lucid (placing cards around in waking life, face down, and trying to read them while I'm lucid to see if I could guess them right; etc.). So far, I've never been able to confirm anything as statistically significant. Granted, it wasn't a rigorous, prolonged practice, but I just haven't seen anything enough to convince me that it's physically possible, yet.