Thread: Lucid dream for literal time travel using your soul?

I asked myself the same question... Let travel my own mind(soul) to past, and let it merge with body... since it is my own body, my few years older soul should be compatible. I was able only to merge with body of friend(in future)... (not to posses it, only share its sensory inputs, and feelings and thoughts... but it was one sided. I couldn't operate that body, I could only observe. I tried to communicate through thoughts... but I managed only partial thoughts connection. I will know whether this was real future vision in 1-5 years...

Originally Posted by Psionik

I asked myself the same question... Let travel my own mind(soul) to past, and let it merge with body... since it is my own body, my few years older soul should be compatible. I was able only to merge with body of friend(in future)... (not to posses it, only share its sensory inputs, and feelings and thoughts... but it was one sided. I couldn't operate that body, I could only observe. I tried to communicate through thoughts... but I managed only partial thoughts connection. I will know whether this was real future vision in 1-5 years...

cheers for replying =) it's an interesting idea and glad to see i'm not alone in wondering about it!

There is possibility of parallel universes... possibility of meeting yourself in astral. I don't say it must be true, It is possibility to explore. It is hard to make scientific proof. Some things can be proved, many of others not. For me, it would be enough to have proved it for myself.

I think, maybe it is possible to communicate with ourselves in past, future, parallel dimensions... But I think it wouldn't be possible to posses other body than we belong into. I don't even believe that other entity could fully posses our bodies. Incompatibility is great.

I swear I'm trying, but to conduct that kind of thinking you ask us to in the first thread, I have to discard almost everything I know regarding how the universe works. At that point, the only thought I'm left is:

"Might as well say anything is possible". So I guess we could just go through a wormwhole that would allow us to go backwards in time at a very high speed. But how are we supposed to re-enter the body in the past if back then our soul was still inside it? I refuse to fight with myself xD Unless a body can support several souls inside it, in that case I'd jump to a body of the son of a billionaire, increasing my chances of living a better life. Oh, and I'd also take into account the person's genes, but since we don't know everything about it, I'd jump to the future first to see the technology, then jump to the past to build it with my own body, then jump again and steal a person with "good" genes and take her body.

Now I feel like an evil genius 0o

HaHa. Like what Aoth said

Though, it would be a fun experience!

I see it closer to AP though, but also don't believe in :/

Just to spin Zoth's head a little more:

What if we give the OP a little twist? Let's say that our souls, being constructed of energy that is exempt from the (known) laws of time & space, actually exist outside of time, or, rather, are perhaps experiencing all time at once. In either case, if you could make a connection to your soul (perhaps thru LDing), you might be able to use it to "re-experience" any time in your past. And, since your soul is beyond time, you can make that reliving last as long as you wish... not exactly body-snatching your old self, I guess, but it is something!

Also, Intuitionlink2, you might want to check out a novel that explores this idea called Replay, by Ken Grimwood; I think you might like it!

Even if so, Sageous, you'll still have a problem of 'being' your soal, since a LD is a brain activity limited to neurological activity

^^ That's true; I guess I was just throwin' somethin' out there... given the context of this thread, I figured it was okay to think outside the box a little.

And, at the risk of waxing mystical and saying some seriously unscientific shit: if there is an energy form, a "soul," that is created, say, by our active thoughts, and exists independently of our physical processes, advanced LD'ing might be just the tool for communicating with it (or, more likely, finally understanding how it has been communicating with us all along). Why? Because LD's allow a conscious connection with our unconscious minds, which is where I imagine some portion of our souls lurk... since we're already communing with our unconscious in a dream, all we'd need to connect with our soul is the right transcendental metaphor, a lot of patience, and some serious imagination.

Just a thought...

Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ That's true; I guess I was just throwin' somethin' out there... given the context of this thread, I figured it was okay to think outside the box a little.

And, at the risk of waxing mystical and saying some seriously unscientific shit: if there is an energy form, a "soul," that is created, say, by our active thoughts, and exists independently of our physical processes, advanced LD'ing might be just the tool for communicating with it (or, more likely, finally understanding how it has been communicating with us all along). Why? Because LD's allow a conscious connection with our unconscious minds, which is where I imagine some portion of our souls lurk... since we're already communing with our unconscious in a dream, all we'd need to connect with our soul is the right transcendental metaphor, a lot of patience, and some serious imagination.

Just a thought...

This is actually very interesting! Buddhism is revolved around this right? If there is an energy soul, then you might be right. I'm not right in my previous post!

^^ Though I am not intentionally pushing any Buddhist ideals, and am certainly not a Buddhist myself, I suppose this idea does line up nicely with some aspects of the mystical side of Buddhism -- Hindu as well.

Think Sivason has an opinion on this?

^^ Probably; and a well-informed opinion at that!

Well, it still seems extremely dificult if possible! But would be so...so... Immortality! It may lead to immortality. Maybe we do it each night but don't store it in our memory since we are being souls. Yeah, memory would be a big hinder in AP and TT!

Well, the best stuff is never easy, is it?

And yes, remember that if this were true, we would all be assembling our souls regardless of our ability to contact them... sort of makes you wonder what they'd be for, then, huh?

maybe we misunderstand what is soul is. Maybe is merely a tool for communication between realms, not a conscious self, or our own self. Just a thought

I agree, memory is a great player in time travel. But you have active memory and it takes time to visualize memory. Ofcourse you've gotten unconscious memory as well. You need unconscious memory to act when you have no idea how to behave, like if you went your past self working in a factory and you have no idea what his jobwork consists of. Subconscious memory I.E. kneejerk reactions, are not quite memories but rather reactions. the memory is simply an event in the past that facillitates and quickens the body. A chemical exchange between organs, neurons, hormones and a fysiological exchange of chemicals in the cell bodies. I think the literal knee-jerk reaction for example is literally a sub(or un-)conscious memory that persisted through time , making that a shared experience between species of animals actually. I google asked if there's an evolutionary explanation and it turns out that there is, it has to do with walking. Now i think walking used to be a totally conscious experience until for example; focus while walking shifted to other activities like being hunt and running from some hungry pursuer. Walking is still an important conscious command so it stayed in subconscious activity and eventually it got so hardwired into the body system until it now happens to be unconscious activity.

If you where to time travel in a lucid dream, assuming you are still using your body nervous system to dream up the images you would have a hard time gaining enough memories of that person to actually be this person and this body. So, I really think you have a big problem here and have to make a leap here to allow your being and experiental frame to surpass your own nervous system and include his/her assuming we are talking about time traveling into another person in real life.

Well, if our AP experience are out of our nervous system, then we might not remmember it, but Sageous suggests that the soul could be a part of the unconscious. Ok, we might remember an AP, so it must be like what sageous said, but I think APing isn't about a soul. A soul could be merely the tool that connects our consciousness with other realms and entities. But how would conscious interference be like? Two consciousness connected by the souls? If the soul is truly something that exists out of time, then it must be like a satalite connecting 2 phones. One satalite is enough, even if it is the same connection tool for all and all the time, so it wouldn't be like a soul interference, especially if you are connecting with your old or new self. So, it would be like one soul connecting us all at all times. Weird, it's like a religous definition now!

I think for conscious interference i refer to Psionik's experience. Very much in tune with my own experience. Able to influence thoughts, maybe even some minor physical movement. But you are intruding on an ego-mind, that will think he/she is posessed or something. Or rather, the person will have no idea and think you are a part of his/her. You will have a sort of split mindstate. How a time traveler would remain his memories is a mystery to me really.

Originally Posted by LouaiB

maybe we misunderstand what is soul is. Maybe is merely a tool for communication between realms, not a conscious self, or our own self. Just a thought

We can't misunderstand something about which we know absolutely nothing -- or which might not even exist. All we can do is raise conjecture and suggest theories that we likely will never be able to prove (while alive). It's all fun, and in a sense everything we say is just as "right" and just as understood as anything else. For instance, the soul as a tool for communication between realms -- or independent consciousnesses -- is an interesting idea; one that is just as right as any other!

Originally Posted by LouaiB

Well, if our AP experience are out of our nervous system, then we might not remmember it, but Sageous suggests that the soul could be a part of the unconscious. Ok, we might remember an AP, so it must be like what sageous said, but I think APing isn't about a soul. A soul could be merely the tool that connects our consciousness with other realms and entities. But how would conscious interference be like? Two consciousness connected by the souls? If the soul is truly something that exists out of time, then it must be like a satellite connecting 2 phones. One satellite is enough, even if it is the same connection tool for all and all the time, so it wouldn't be like a soul interference, especially if you are connecting with your old or new self. So, it would be like one soul connecting us all at all times. Weird, it's like a religious definition now!

This is a very interesting idea...

Yeah, you make a point, Sageous. But, if you notice, these theories seem always revolved around something out of this realm. That would make sense, except if it does consist of a substance (energy, maybe) we still haven't figured how to detect or measure. Again, just a theorie

^^ Agreed.

I will tell you
That vision is two years old. She(friend) didn't know in that vision(OBE) that I was there within and around her. She took my suggestion as her own thought, but she (sadly) dismissed it. For some reason what I suggested wasn't possible, either I was dead by the time, or... I felt from her very sad feelings... And as I see, that future is growing more and more possible. Things happening... and for some unknown reason she broke friendship bonds by now... It would be sad, but interesting if I saw real future. I had even longer term vision of us to be true friends(maybe 4 years old one)... If it will happen, I will be at least 70 years old as I saw myself...

This could suggest, that I would also take such communication with my past or future self as my own thoughts(meaning: thought of past self, or future self)

Originally Posted by Psionik

I will tell you
That vision is two years old. She(friend) didn't know in that vision(OBE) that I was there within and around her. She took my suggestion as her own thought, but she (sadly) dismissed it. For some reason what I suggested wasn't possible, either I was dead by the time, or... I felt from her very sad feelings... And as I see, that future is growing more and more possible. Things happening... and for some unknown reason she broke friendship bonds by now... It would be sad, but interesting if I saw real future. I had even longer term vision of us to be true friends(maybe 4 years old one)... If it will happen, I will be at least 70 years old as I saw myself...

This could suggest, that I would also take such communication with my past or future self as my own thoughts(meaning: thought of past self, or future self)

It's like you OBEd to the future, saw what happened, then after a while it came true?
Could it have seemed something general, and what happened fitted it?(the OBE)
or was it specifically what happened during the OBE?
very interesting though

Like OBE to future, I think so. At least, to the alternate or possible future. I can't steer my visions as to direct it to date, or place. I instinctively restrict myself from using will while exercising OBEs (to change things... I restrict myself from using imagination. I try to be only observer... as much as possible.) It comes from years of experiences. I simply am always placed into place and time.
This vision certainly seems to be in process of fulfilling. I had it half of year before our friendship deteriorated... There were no signs. And no inputs from my side. Start of fulfilling was sudden. One day was everything just fine, next time we were together(few days later) friendship was over from her side. That is frustrating... I never knew when, I never knew why.