Thread: Has anyone else heard about 2012 being like this?

Hey,

This month is when I heard something like an earthquake would go down. I am thinking California because they have detected movement under the surface.

Oh yeah Chenny wrote up a plan to drop a nuke on West Virginia and then blame it on Iran.

Raising the BS flag on that one. Especially since your credentials aren't too high, Hop_IC, since I've just shattered your city on Mars argument.

I can guaruntee you Cheney didn't plan to drop a nuke on Virginia. Sounds like a really poor joke to me.

Once again, I'm asking you for evidence. Can't say I expect much, though.

>> I am thinking California because they have detected movement under the surface.

There is never NEVER a day goes by that California does not have techtonic plate movement.

There is never NEVER a day goes by that California does not have between hundreds and THOUSANDS of earthquakes.

Saying "they have detected movement under the surface" in California is like saying
"They have detected water in our atmosphere".

There are so many microquakes in California on a daily basis that the USGS doesn't bother logging them all.

quake.usgs.gov. I dare you to find a day in recorded history where CA hasn't had earthquakes.

Yup, in my home country there are earthquakes every day.

Oh, regarding the monks and fighting thing. Actually, a lot of monks do fight. Take the Shaolin temple in China. Monks who train for hours every day.

The key to fighting is knowing when to fight. Not to involve personal emotions and not to provoke. As well as hundreds of other things...

I think it is important to be careful.

The subconscious mind is incredibly powerful.

Through the association of abstract thought it is possible to connect anything with anything else in what appears to be a meaningful way.

This is dangerous stuff. Conspiracy theorist over-associate meanings as do paranoid schizophrenics. However, so do sages, medicine men, psychics and even great geniuses such as Newton and Einstein.

This is what Jung based his theory of syncronicity on (the idea that no coincidences exist and everything is connected in a meaningful way).

I am a spiritual person. I live in the countryside and grow my own food. I have read David Icke.I have read Chomsky. I have studied Nostradamus.

Do I believe in the 2012 prophecies?

One question.

Why would the US bother going into Iraq to secure future oil supplies if the end of the world were so close?

That wouldn't make financial sense.

Originally posted by Tsen
Richard Hoagland, eh? Let's Google him, shall we?

Well here we go, a good place to start. Phil Plait's Bad Astronomy Page

Basically, the whole page is there to debunk Hoagland. Does a fair job of it. Have a looksy!

I have read some of Hoagland's ideas, first off. I started reading the intro debunking him, but I stopped. The author was full of sarcasm and begging the question, and that gets nowhere with me. He claimed that Hoagland was so fake he was not worth the effort to debunk. If he's not so important, I don't see why he went out and did this. He did a half-assed effort from as far as I can tell, and it makes it look like the author Phil is the fraudulent one.

Read the whole site, if you would. I agree, the author is a bit too negative and cynical, but he's got a lot of cold, hard evidence. Hoagland just doesn't.

EDIT:

Also, on the Phil Plait site, Phil mentions that he thought Hoagland wasn't worth debunking up to a certain point, when Hoagland started a mass-campaign to spread his 'ideas' about the supposed cities on Mars, implanting Hoagland's ideas into people without them being able to see the other side of the argument.

lol!
I don't believe in church, even Jebus says "Thou shall call no man father, call no man rabbi" in Mathew me thinks. so nix that idea tsen.

I want to clairify that "in the heat of the moment it was not metaphor" isn't really right. everything is metaphor. This IS a rhetoric game. To understand what I say, you must know me. Know that I see no difference in science, religion, school, or any institution -- just because I think the world may erupt in a cataclysm on 2012 does not make me a sesationalist or a hatemonger.

We must have both, those who believe and those whom don't, if we are to be prepared and balanced JUST IN CASE something should happen. There is nothing wrong with being PREPARED until someone sticks a "god" or a name to this.

And for all the shit I say Tsen, you have to give me credit that I believe without attribution to idolism. I defend no church. I guard no sacred religion. I merely ask for respect of opinion, which over time you have given me much more of and I appreciate it. But you have to give me credit, I believe in these terrors yet I am not afraid. I do not go running to an institution to justify my beliefes. so I will not reference my wisdom, this is a forum for (add various deity's name here) sake!! I may be paranoid, but I am following my own path, and I will not be disrespected for my "religion." I believe in all religions, I disbelieve all religions; One must take what's comes and move on, i do not dwell, i pupport NO BELIEFE SYSTEM.

I also want to say that you are cofusing me with some old christians who were mean to you Tsen. True, I say that humanity might end. True, I say that technology will be responsible. BUT I NEVER SAID THAT THOSE WHO PURSUE TECHNOLOGY WILL BE DESTROYED!!!! NEVER! I said that sure, a lot of them may be responsible, but that is very, very, very different. Hell, a lot of the "christians" will go to! I may too, I am typing ON A COMPUTER! Just because I say that we must scale back technology for the good of humanity DOES NOT mean that I am some ecological radical whom refute all technology as necromatic sin! I LoVE technology, I hate what it does to the earth. I am sorry Tsen that many christians are warmongering, using the end of the world to push their policies, but I have none to push. I simply said we must change. That's it. Nothing threatening there, just a need to make BETTER TECHNOLOGY.

Dude, if someone came to my door and offered me a giant robot mobile suit, would I turn it down?? HELL NO!!! But just because I except technology, does not mean I have to except destruction and urban sprawl.

We must think smarter, not faster. Quality earth, not quanity of useless industrial shit.
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The Tao & Te protect me from facts & fantasy equally.
I believe in none, so know if you respond to me with facts, I will not believe a word. I will only believe honest heart felt testimony. Dreams > Science.

in fact, this will probably cause a new panic already talked about, so i will reiderate.
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1=0
this is not true in fundemental mathmatics.

in quatum physics, however, it is probable.

since all these atoms have electron "shells," that are really just possible realities, it must be said that 1can = 1 just as easily as 1=0.
if 1 did not exist, 0 could not
if 0 did not exist, 1 could not

fantasy = fiction
metaphor = fact

this will most likely piss a lot of people off. I am clearly stating that not only do my own statements contradict, so do all of yours, but not only THAT, I am also saying that our arguments do not exist without their opposite. It is not that anything is 'invisible', it is that I honestly believe in my hypocrisy, that I will only find truth if I can first identify the extremes. This is not a "lie" or even "metaphor" at this stage, it is allignment, and balance. To many it makes me a liar. But to me, those who state facts are the only liars. By stating "facts" in my first post, I was challenging the forum, looking for smart people. But if I am made an enemy in my search for wisdom, so be it, I care not. Those whom cannot reconize a challenge and see it as a threat have doomed themselves as victims already...

one cannot separate "fact" and "fiction" simply because each person is different, with a different perception.

I respect that you do not "believe" in what I believe Tsen, but to say it is false or a lie is painful, as I have spent my life coming to my conclusions, just as you have yours.

So when I say something, and you think "oh that's bullshit!" it probably is.
Just because I say something doesn't mean I want to argue if it IS there or NOt. It simply means that because it can be thought of, it deserves conversation.

WE ALREADY KNOW IT IS AND IS NOT. What's the point? Let's talk theory, not fact.

I like how the Mars topic went off, ludicrous to most, yet talked about at least. I would pose that "cities" could me microscopic, as one could call a living coral colony a "city," but I see no proof of a large sentient being living on the surface, at any rate. The point is not the existence of 'life,' it is 'what kind of life?' that we search for.

For me, all god is alive, so the "life on mars" or anywhere else question is purely trivial. All life is life, hehe. I think quantas are alive, so what do i know?
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Just because a dream doesn't come true in YOUR life is no reason to say that I pervert quatum theory. I think it is quite palpable as there are billions of random bits of consciousness thinking at all times, dreams or thought, and to channel one of those billions and billions seems much more likely then a single being thinking of an exclusive thought, separtae from all time space. The idea that I pervert quatum physics simply because I say that all thoughts and dreams are the same seems egotist and separatist to me, even elitist. Dreams constitue just as much proof as reality. After all, reality is in no way stable or concrete, their anatomic make-up is ALWAYs going in and out of this plain. NOTHING is real. The perception is then reconstructed in the brain by CHEMICALs.

Thus, all dreams are precognitive, it is just that no one has the clairity to know which dream they just saw, from where, and why.^^
I hope that even you, Tsen, will agree that my theory can work if you just assume that there are too many people who are all too stupid to sift out who's dream are what. rofl!

just as neuropeptides change the molecular stuctures of our body through emotional direction, we change the earth with our thoughts and actions.

Since so many have violent thoughts, since war has always been prevailent throughout our history, it seems apparent that we will effect the earth in the same manner and that ... one day... earth will react.

I do not know how. I do not know when. Abrahadabra.... we speak only the fool words of Babylon; desire.

Originally posted by Blulanou42
one other thing I always think about...

I watched a special on World Link TV about the natives in mexico who did not civilize and contiued their cultures based around Peyote.

It turns out taht they can trace the use of peyote in central America back 60 to 80,000 years ago! (that predates the Alaskan land-bridge for all you keeping count, see Atlantis and Mu, both of which can be traced to over a thousand native oral traditions of history) The plant has taught people to survive these types of cyclical earth changes and always survive no matter what.

They interviewed one woman who was 88 years old. She ate peyote EVERY DAY and was healthy and as fit as ever. She was quite direct in her warning. She said that those who didn't respect Mescalito would perish, that they had to be taught how to survive, and that they would never learn unless they believe and trusted peyote to guide them.


Another person I have to mention is Carlos Casteneda. (Whom was my hero until his later days where his power and his students all become corupted by power and clairity) In the early books, Don Juan teaches Carlos about Peyote and several other Diviner palnts. But Peyote is NOT used for Divination, rather, it is used to learn, to gain wisdom. When you take Mescalito, Mescalito is really taking you .

Needless to say, sometime in the next 8 yrs I plan to become a member of the Native American Church.

If it is true that every chemical of every plant kills brain cells in order to recreate a place for its own synthesis, then each plant we have ever ingested in a pattern throughout time forms the structure of our evolved thinking brains. We evolved from what we are most addicted to, simply because we synthesize these best, they have been with us longest. BUT, this does not mean that these plants we have used the most over the last couple thousand years are best, they may in fact be much worse because of the rate that cultivation has overproduced them.

The ancient plants are the key to survival.
Plants that contain DXM, DMT, Mescaline, Salvia Divinorum, LSD, LSA, and the various mushrooms that, most likely, birthed our very consciousness.

Still. I think that I have learned the most from my good old friend, Herb. But drugs that allow us to cope with this civilization such as THC or opiates (not to mention the trecherous uppers, speeds and coke) are dangerous because of how efficiently they allow us to exist separate from nature. It is a moderate combination of hallucinagenics and a light does of these others that is best for a healthy brain.

If something does go wrong in 2012, seek out the Shamans and Druids, they will cope quite easily, living with nature and earth as God all along.

Peace guys, I gotta go build an earthship in New Zealand, lol! j/k.

Wow, that TV special surely sucked becase well, there was not a single mesoamerican tribe who didnt build a civiilzation, many of them used peyote, however it was a privilege for religious leaders as in most cultures, for obvious reasons people using mezcalline will have "premunitions" and weird experiences heh.

And its not mezcalito, that means "little mezcal", and mezcal is an beberage very alike than the tequila, but a little bit sweeter and unlike the tequila, the mezcal comes from the south.

Oh hey you're right Baal,
Mezcalito is a typo, i've had that drink in texas before.. hehe my bad. Mescalito? yes?

As far as the stereotype of shamanism, many different cultures have had many forgotten ways and, as I mentioned, the woman talking wasn't a shaman as much as it seemed a wisdom, or herbalist, --but really these definitions are arbitrary, as once again, each culture is different as each person-- who ate in everyday. The ritual wasn't sanctioned to holy men, more a norm of health in the comunity.

Granted, I do agree that typically high potency "foods" are reserved for those who "need" them or whom have obtained high enough ranking to justify their usage. But may I suggest that genetically what makes some people "high" is quite normal for other races.

An example of this is how Native / Mezo- Americans cannot process the chemical DXM found in common cold medicine. This is not a defect, but merely a genetic difference from thousands of years of continetal and regional conditioning. Perhaps in the same manner, it can be said that the way Caucasions typically handle Peyote is a defect, but it is the same, mere genetic differentiation.

So what I was hinting at was the ability to trace culture both by genetics, and what those genes predispose the culture to "need" in terms of "food," or the more ignorant word, "drugs."

What is fasinating about the peyote and pottery is that the native oral traditions, these which the christian ministers and missionaries deemed "Paegan" or "Satanic," really truthful if one considers the metaphors of nature to be a part of God, rather then blashpemy. A shaman on carious high potency natural foods does have the ablility to study animals at great legth in an open wilderness.

The paradox of paganism and monothesim aside, the metaphors found in native shamanism are quite valid, and deserve to be set beside all the great religions, as equal contributions to human science and philosophy, as well as pshychology.

Shamanism deserves equivical respect.

You worship it even if you know it not. Just as the great Alchemical signs of the Tau still float through the symbology of major cultures the world over, the magic is used each day.

I see a clear ethnocentrism to magic here.
Clear judgement. Many of you do not know how some of this technology cam about, but some of our greatest scholars and inventors practiced the arts and were high level scientists shaping the face of war as we know it using alchemy and ancient black magic to apply science to chemical combustion to create the biggest explosions the earth has seen since meteors.

We are all so quick to forget the war.
Our new generations mesmorized in Media and drama of day to day material superstition, that we do not even stop to think as we set the sigils of necromancy throughout our homes, the ancient shaman totems on our walls, the long forgotten bardic lore scribed upon our televisions.
How long will it be before the world over sees plain the magic of their lives?

Most of this modern magic is tracable to the Tau and to the Alantians, or whatever you would like to guess the name of the ancestors who wielded magic and taught it to the ancients of our ancestors. The embasaries that came to the nations of our great grandest grand parents in anceint times game them great magiks that were sought out and destroyed by the empires to come, with metal and blood.

If we are discussing the validity of magic, I can continue, but it seems obvious.
2012 may be the time it takes for everyone to realize. lol, or maybe it will be more like X-men. or maybe the Beast has already spoken the pattern of the 666 into the language as the great Diviner necromancy of Crowley seethes through the translations and exultations of the times, heralding the days of the great wars at the end of WWII when the great Black Mage of Death Parsons unleashed his Alchemical hellfires of rocket technology and chemical warfare, the Scarlet woman on his are, the AntiChrist sacrificed to his dangerous research into explosive technology... maybe the revelation ends in 2012, perhaps the time of peace follows that day... perhaps it has just begun.
But many of our beloved "All American" scientists,
were so deep into magic and even the black arts,
that if you study much "modern science"
and run the kabala over the top
you will find in these Chemistry compositions, the alchemical patterns of the many probable types of entropy & death...and you can call that science.... but if the scientist tells me it's magic, forgive me if I do not believe in the agnostics & aetheists.
If the scientist practices the ancient rituals, does the drugs, leads cults...can science and religion really be separated?

But many of you are in denial over the genocide.
Many of you would forget the war.
I will not let any forget.
I want peace more then anything.
But to sit back and pretend that millions are not suffering, that is to forsake hope.
Too few druids walk this earth.
Too many necromancers.
Balance will come naturally.

I hope you dont take offense but I dont understand what you are talking about and where you could possibly come up with these sensationalist claims but based off your signature I would offer these piece of advice: chill out a little bit with the RPG's.

If you make such off-the-wall claims as you have, please back them up with a little evidence or literature otherwise it makes you look a tad crazy...

Il be holding my breth on new years eve 2015

I believe something might happen in 2012. I've always felt it will be around my 30th birthday that something happens. Ironically I never realized that 2012 is when I turn 30. Should be interesting to see what happens.

Just thought I'd notify you--the new forum rules clarify that the Beyond Dreaming forum isn't a debate forum. Out of respect for the rules and the moderators, I will no longer be arguing on this, or any other Beyond Dreaming thread. If any of you want to continue the debates, feel free to post a new topic in either Extended Discussion or the religion forum, whichever is more appropriate.

Wow, people actually read the rules!
Seriously though, we appreciate your respect, Tsen

i know why it will be the "golden age" cause i will have taken over and will have a strict regime. perfect.

Not bothering to read everything... but some points

A magnetic field shift (polar shift) does not change climate. Instead of the magnetic field coming out of the north pole and entering the south pole, it will reverse. For a few year, the so called northern lights will appear everywhere around the globe becuase the field will be scrambled for sometime before it fully reverses. This isn't expected to happen for atleast another 300 years so I don't why people speculate it will happen in 2012.

I'm not really expecting anything 2012, the Mayan calander hopefully just restarts there.

Ok, I can say a few things.
If according to some ''christ & anti-christ'' and all religious stuff happens to be real.
Why not grab your necronomicon right now? Invoke the power of Ctulhu and Sog-Sothoth and all the other ''evil'' creatures, worship them and they'll protect you, hell, they live in realms that we would die instantly in.

Anyway, If the ''end of the world'' will be caused by ''humans pulling off some warfare''.
I got a cool book named "You Will Survive DoomsDay", in which it states about 23 myths that if they might happen, tell you on how to survive for REAL.

So i'll be laughing at ya guys when the day comes that nukes bombard the country.

And if that doesn't work and weird alien devil creatures come to earth, I guess i'll be using my magick ''dark magic'' books. You never know

Haha I just went onto that exitmundi site in one of the first pages and it's great

in that year i'll finish university. and i'm pretty sure nothing else will happen.
oh whell, it looks as it will be much "end-of-world" for me at least...

My favorite cheery place:

http://www.exitmundi.nl/

without going into too much detail about my own synchronicities involving the end of the mayan calendar, i will say that there are many traditions who pinpoint that particular year as a shift in human consciousness. i see no harm in attempting to perfect my command over my "dream self" in the event that this shift in consciouness brings the waking world closer to a lucid dreaming state through an evolutionary jump in our perception of time. i dont think of it as the end of time or the end of days, just that history has lead up to this point, things are obviously accellerating, and to ready myself by trying to close the gap between my dream psyche and my waking psyche can only help me

Would the world just end already so I can be freed from people constantly telling me how it's about to end?

Either that, or next time you think the world is about to end, just hold your breath until you asphyxiate. It won't matter anyway, right? Asphyxia is pretty tame compared to fire and brimstone. Additionally, you wouldn't be around anymore to annoy the surviving (i.e. sane) population, so everyone wins.

Originally posted by Mark75
Would the world just end already so I can be freed from people constantly telling me how it's about to end?

Either that, or next time you think the world is about to end, just hold your breath until you asphyxiate. It won't matter anyway, right? Asphyxia is pretty tame compared to fire and brimstone. Additionally, you wouldn't be around anymore to annoy the surviving (i.e. sane) population, so everyone wins.

a little too direct maybe, but it makes sense