Thread: Anyone else met the Night Stalkers and Dream Walkers?

Originally Posted by Croneus

Apoptosis doesn't affect brain cells in the same way. The nuerons form new synapses and are still able to access and replicate information by doing so. Typically apoptosis will only affect brain cells that are damaged by physical trauma, or by a virus or toxin in order to try to save healthy nuerons. Eventually old age too. I've never heard of children with eidetic/photographic memories losing it.

I actually read it in a book called Mapping the Mind by Rita Carter. I don't have the book anymore but some searching found me...The piece of link itself seems to actually be from Carter.

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/SL_Psyc...etic_interplay


Neuroplasticity is the brain’s ability to create new neural pathways based on new experiences. It takes place over a lifetime, sometimes over genetically-determined critical periods. At birth, there are approximately 2,500 synapses in the cerebral cortex of a human baby.By three years old, the cerebral cortex has about 15,000 synapses (Gopnick et al., 1999). Because the infant brain has such a huge capacity for growth, it must eventually be pruned down. Synaptic pruning, or apoptosis, is the programmed neuron cell death that takes place during early childhood and adolescence. Pruning actually strengthens important connections and eliminates weaker ones, creating more effective neural communication (Brain Plasticity,2006). Many times children lose their eidetic or photographic memory during apaptosis. An incomplete pruning results in so-called idiot savantes while overkill apoptosis my strip too many connections and lead to Down’s syndrome (Carter, 1998).

Erm, back to the nightstalkers/dreamwalkers thing, can anyone explain what exactly is going on with them? I read about 8 pages of this thread, but alkl I could really gather were that they were beings (typpiucally human) that sem to be able to "enter" others' dreams (some sort of telepathy?) and that the dreamwalkers are either good or neutral, the Night Stalkers are actively malicious,* and there are also watchers, (who may or may nopt be human, but by their name I assume theior prerogative does not include interfering in other's dreeams, but merely observing?).
If the answers to these questions can be found earlier in the thread, I could go back and read it, but if it's going to be as fruitless an effort as it seems, I figuresd I may as well ask here. First of all, is there any way to differentiate between a NS/DW and a regular dream character? If you regularly meet sentient-seeming dream characters who do not conform to any of your own dream styloes, are they likely dream walkers, or merely dream characters? Are these actively encountered beings, have people here actually had proven dreams where they encountered a DW/NS that they later met in real life and confirmed the dream encounter, or is this purely theoretical? This sort of thing seems to be important, and I wish to gather more information. FI anyone can answer these questions, or add anything odf importance I may have missed, thank you.



*as opposed to magically delicious. Sorry, but it was necessary to stop thinking of lucky the leprechaun saying lucky charms are actively malicious.

Sorry to drag it off topic again but...

The first line of the summary says it all: "Today a brain scan reveals our thoughts, moods, and memories as clearly as an X-ray reveals our bones. We can actually observe a person's brain registering a joke or experiencing a painful memory." Uhm, no you can't. The fact she states that there are differences between a 'gay' and 'straight' brain are ridiculous. The quote you provided above also shows a huge pitfall. She suggests that incomplete pruning leads to savants, and too much leads to Downs Syndrome. Uhhh, sorry Miss Carter but Downs syndrome is a result of genetics that affect a number of things besides the brain itself. Savantism occurs mostly in children who have autistic defects (while the causes of autism are not currently known, researchers are checking for genetic defects). Calling them idiot savants is incredibly not PC as well. After searching around google, yahoo, and even altavista, I cannot find anything else that will back up where she says a child will lose their eidetic memory due to apoptosis. Also it looks like that particular nugget of information was from one of her earlier books (how can you back up a possible false claim without having someone else prove it besides yourself?) A lot of the reviews for the book, while praising its layout of information and ease to understand, several mention how she brings alot of personal bias towards various sociologial issues, makes signifigant leaps to conclusions and while well versed in the matter, makes grave mistakes on a number of topics. Sample reviews:

http://www.amazon.com/review/R29WBFJ...cm_cr_rdp_perm

http://www.amazon.com/review/R1BBLDX...cm_cr_rdp_perm

Lastly, I'll let this article take apart the validity of much of her book.

http://human-brain.org/mapping.html

Being 8 years old much of what's said in there may have been believed to be true at the time, but is known now to be different.

(If people are getting annoyed by the derailing I have no problem creating a new discussion thread or continuing in private messages.)

Originally Posted by Croneus

The first line of the summary says it all: "Today a brain scan reveals our thoughts, moods, and memories as clearly as an X-ray reveals our bones. We can actually observe a person's brain registering a joke or experiencing a painful memory."

Uhm, no you can't.

Yes you can.

(from this article: http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/...urrentPage=all)
"Yet academic researchers and medical entrepreneurs are already trying to sell brain scanning to both patients and corporate clients. Media giant Viacom (parent of MTV and Nickelodeon) paid a reported $200,000 to the British company Neurosense to help determine ad placement by scanning subjects as they watch different TV commercials."

I've been trying to understand this whole NS/DW thing as well, and as far as I can tell, certain people need their dreams to be more interesting, and others need to feel they have special talents...

From what I've gathered... NS/DW are real people? And if you piss them off in your daily interactions with them, either at work or on-line, they will teach you a big fat lesson by invading your dreams and throwing an Oogie Boogie on you...

And the DWs will defend you...?

So the NSs are just bullies from what I can tell, knowing how easily dreams can be construed to mean anything, considering that dreams often reveal subconscious fears and anxieties... they're counting on your mind running away with you...

I don't know what my point is, except to say that people who feel the need to exert power over others that are naturally curious/ready to believe is the oldest trick in the book. Every book I've ever read.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Yes you can.

(from this article: http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/...urrentPage=all)
"Yet academic researchers and medical entrepreneurs are already trying to sell brain scanning to both patients and corporate clients. Media giant Viacom (parent of MTV and Nickelodeon) paid a reported $200,000 to the British company Neurosense to help determine ad placement by scanning subjects as they watch different TV commercials."

Dude the article itself shoots down the whole theoy. Example

"He puts down his pen and turns to me. "I would love to see your brain healthier, because you'll be happier if it's healthier," he says. "It's too low in activity. I recommend a multivitamin, and to get better blood flow I would take gingko." Just before I leave, he advises me to lay off the snowboarding and play more tennis. "With the lowered activity in your cerebellum," he explains, "I'd like to see you do more coordination sports."

"There's a logical fallacy here." I am sitting at a conference table with a perfect view of the sun setting over West LA, talking to Robert Rubin, professor and vice chair of psychiatry at UCLA and one of Amen's chief critics.

My Spect scans are arrayed between us, and I have just recounted Amen's interpretation of my brain images.

Rubin, a noted researcher on brain functioning in depression, draws two circles on a sheet of paper. He points to the first and says, "Let's say this represents a bunch of people with low activity of the frontal lobe, and let's say, for the sake of argument, that many of them also have depression." Then he points to the second circle. "And here are all the people without depression. Do any of these people also have low frontal lobe activity? You bet they do. So there are people with depression who have this finding, and people without depression with this finding. How is the finding helpful?"

"Not too helpful," I say. "But Amen claims that studies have shown that low frontal lobe activity is associated with depression."

Rubin smiles while shaking his head. I can tell this is an argument he's heard before. "That's true, but the data is based on group averages. A typical study will image 10 people with depression and 10 people without depression. On average, you might find that the depressed group has lower frontal activity than the normal group. But there's a lot of variability, meaning some depressed people have normal scans and some healthy people have abnormal scans."

"Meaning ... you can't use the finding to make a diagnosis."

"Right." He looks back down at my scans, with all their dings and dents. "To determine the utility of these findings, you have to go to the critical next step, which is to come up with specific imaging criteria for depression, scan a large number of people, and then read the scans blindly — that is, without having met the patient. You can then determine the accuracy of your test. To my knowledge, nobody has done such studies for depression or for most any psychiatric disorder other than Alzheimer's disease."


and the very last bit of the entire article...

"Most neuromarketers are using these scans as a way of sprinkling glitter over their products, so that customers will be persuaded that the pictures are giving them a deeper understanding of their mind. In fact, imaging technologies are still in their infancy. And while overenthusiastic practitioners may try to leapfrog over the science, real progress, which will take decades, will be made by patient and methodical researchers, not by entrepreneurs looking to make a buck."


Nightstalkers are fakes.

I somehow managed to sit through this. I cannot help but put my two cents worth in that.. this is bullshit, close the thread and please start one about icecream. Or let the RPG you are trying to create here die.. GG and +1 strength!

Originally Posted by Croneus

Sorry to drag it off topic again but...

The first line of the summary says it all: "Today a brain scan reveals our thoughts, moods, and memories as clearly as an X-ray reveals our bones. We can actually observe a person's brain registering a joke or experiencing a painful memory." Uhm, no you can't. The fact she states that there are differences between a 'gay' and 'straight' brain are ridiculous. The quote you provided above also shows a huge pitfall. She suggests that incomplete pruning leads to savants, and too much leads to Downs Syndrome. Uhhh, sorry Miss Carter but Downs syndrome is a result of genetics that affect a number of things besides the brain itself. Savantism occurs mostly in children who have autistic defects (while the causes of autism are not currently known, researchers are checking for genetic defects). Calling them idiot savants is incredibly not PC as well. After searching around google, yahoo, and even altavista, I cannot find anything else that will back up where she says a child will lose their eidetic memory due to apoptosis. Also it looks like that particular nugget of information was from one of her earlier books (how can you back up a possible false claim without having someone else prove it besides yourself?) A lot of the reviews for the book, while praising its layout of information and ease to understand, several mention how she brings alot of personal bias towards various sociologial issues, makes signifigant leaps to conclusions and while well versed in the matter, makes grave mistakes on a number of topics. Sample reviews:

http://www.amazon.com/review/R29WBFJ...cm_cr_rdp_perm

http://www.amazon.com/review/R1BBLDX...cm_cr_rdp_perm

Lastly, I'll let this article take apart the validity of much of her book.

http://human-brain.org/mapping.html

Being 8 years old much of what's said in there may have been believed to be true at the time, but is known now to be different.

(If people are getting annoyed by the derailing I have no problem creating a new discussion thread or continuing in private messages.)

First off I have no clue why that is really into this, all the person making the synopsis meant when she said this was that you can see areas of higher activity in the mind, this is what is known as brain mapping. If you couldn't tell things by localizing differences during specific moments then we wouldn't know what pieces of the brain are good for what. The point of the statement is that the mind is modular and they have proven it.

No it isn't ridiculous, she was citing someone else's work in which he took the brains of a whole bunch of prisoners that were known gay or straight and viewed the differences in their brains. He proposed that the areas that the brains (in a specific part which I can't recall) had in relation to the sex would be the same in homosexual men as that of women. Any claims she made she wasn't making for herself, but making observations about another persons work. She even made sure to note that the facts don't necessarily mean anything because many of the men died of AIDS.


http://jcn.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/16/6/438 2001 This one states the various chemicals associated with downs syndrome and with apoptosis inhibotory chemicals.
http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/...ll/127/12/2572 2004 This one states the various chemicals associated with Autistic cases and with reduction of inhibitory chemicals related to apoptosis.

Don't you think programmed cell death probably is determined by genetics...like down syndrome?

P.S. Sorry I can't provide more up to date links but I'm busy atm.

The people who reviewed her book must not have realized that everything she said was based on inference from mostly other peoples work...and
almost every time she said something she made it clear that what she was giving you a generalized view, and not a specific view. The book was catering to those less familiar with the subject. Many of them say she makes claims without reproducable experiments, because she speaks of only one, but what she is doing is telling you inferences from specific experiments, not necessarily saying it is college textbook information.

When I was reading it and she brought about things that other people are saying she said as "fact" I was thinking of it as theory, since she provided the reasons why she thought what she thought. Theory being in terms of a common persons word not a scientists.

I can't find anything about apoptosis and photographic memory either, however I have found various articles stating for a fact that some children do have eiditic memory and more often than not lose it.

Originally Posted by Anon

I somehow managed to sit through this. I cannot help but put my two cents worth in that.. this is bullshit, close the thread and please start one about icecream. Or let the RPG you are trying to create here die.. GG and +1 strength!

Somebody's wearing his cloak of skepticism +5! Dream on, this thread will outlive all you skeptics.

so..Cusp....
Still having trouble sleeping?

This thread is going way off topic. People posting about eyes and/or resononce and/or brainscans go to Physics of Dreamsharing. It is made for this discusion.

well im going to bed....
im begging for a dreamwalker or dreamstalker to come visit my dreams.
Come on.

Still nobody in mine...... Come on people!!!!!!!! What part of I challenge you is not breaking through your tiny dreamwalking heads??!?!?! (Or dreamstalking heads...)

Hm... I suppose that challenges should be done in 1 place... and I don't see how a dreamwalker/stalker would get were you live to stalk you <.<

Ah, so, since this thread is starting to get back on track, does anyone have any answers for my questions (13 posts earlier) or Lois Lane (10 posts earlier)?

It is possible that through evolution our brains have harnessed the power of dark energy. This would then explain all inter-human psychic phenomena such as dream sharing and telepathy.

Has anyone ever thought about it this way before?

Originally Posted by WaterSquirrel

It is possible that through evolution our brains have harnessed the power of dark energy. This would then explain all inter-human psychic phenomena such as dream sharing and telepathy.

Has anyone ever thought about it this way before?

Hmmm... I would think the the evolutioin of our minds, not the brain exactly.

I'll have to read that again more slowly.

Originally Posted by WaterSquirrel

It is possible that through evolution our brains have harnessed the power of dark energy. This would then explain all inter-human psychic phenomena such as dream sharing and telepathy.

Has anyone ever thought about it this way before?

Yes, and you should post your extended thoughts in the thread on the possible physical explanations of telepathy and dream sharing. I think something close to what you have said is probably true since dark energy is a precondition for the preconditions for life and therefore is connected to us and through us. In m-theory I think this explained in terms of "the bulk" which is a multidimensional field in which two 3-space fields collided to form what only appears to us as 3-dimensions, but is really 10, 11+ dimensions.

As for dream walkers etc, I cant rule out the possibility that they are "real", but there are some inconsistencies with how they are being approached here. They are probably, as already mentioned, manifestations of our subconscious.

But this leads right back the the problem of why do so many people "share" the same archetypes for these encounters?

In my experience I've had reoccurring lucid dream characters exactly like dream stalkers (wearing all black with black top hats and slender metallic weapons) as well as an old lady who was a ghost and who shook my entire dream world. I also had a reoccurring lucid dream character who was a short fat bald goblin-type who was out to get me. In each case except the old lady I was able to defeat the attackers by encompassing them in a force field which i then reduced to the size of a speck of dust. never fails!

My questions are whether the others who have experienced these types of DCs are lucid when they encounter them, and what scenarios they were in when they appeared to them?

Originally Posted by Croneus

Basic rundown on how the human eye works.

Actually, nothing in your eye resonates.

We completely agree, the only reason why you think we don't, is because you do not understand what resonance is. I can make your eye resonate with sound waves, claiming nothing in your eye resonates is just trying to say B when I say A..

Originally Posted by WaterSquirrel

It is possible that through evolution our brains have harnessed the power of dark energy. This would then explain all inter-human psychic phenomena such as dream sharing and telepathy.

Has anyone ever thought about it this way before?

I think some scientists already discovered this dark energy (never heard of the term dark energy myself) but, I assume it's the same as orgon energy, or the aether? I don't really believe such a thing as "vacuum" exists, how can "nothing" exist? I think this vacuum lots of people, including science, talk about is actually just another form of energy.. So yeah, I also thought about that, and I read this really elaborated article about this energy and astral projections.. google for Robert Bruce. Anyway, almost all cultures through history over the whole world have talked about this energy, there must be something to it.

This post has four parts. They are seperated by 's.


I put together other's stories from this thread. I have not had a dreamsharing experiance. (If I had, I would believe in it.) This is all I found, but I skimmed pretty fast.

Spoiler for delpiero:

Originally Posted by delpiero

If I would let my subconscious speak I would tell you that this old lady also gave me trouble last night.

Actually thats how I ended up on these forums.

I was on a mission when I got undercovered by 2 girls. Because of 2 words that I clearly remember "Yvette, Duette". I was somewhere around Prague downtown (or another east European metropole). And when I got undercover I started to chase the 2 girls but some hobos came to me and started to threat me. So while they were blocking my way the 2 girls were able to get away, and then all of a sudden a Police SWAT team of around 40 men or more came out from one street, they blitzed in the crowd and jumped on me.

They then brought me back in some parking lot where they threw me on the floor and started to kick me hard, like 5 big guys with huge boots hitting my skull and crushing my bones. I knew it was just a dream but still I felt pain, shame, as if it would happen for real.

I did not know what was going on as I thought the SWAT team would be on my side, so I was confused, as if my team let me down. Then I discovered that a old lady order it, and the 2 girls where working for that old lady.

I hope it's not the same old lady, that would be weird. But I can't relate any old lady in my surroundings that matches her. First time I heard of such a powerfull character.

A little thing that makes me proud is that she had to intervene strongly and in front of everyone downtow a huge city at day time with 40 SWAT trained people to mobilise me while the 2 girls could get away. And the fact that I got caught by surprise and everything happened so fast made it impossible for me to do any counter attack...

Tonight, after my little trip to the liberty of statue, Im looking forward to refind some traces of that dark and powerfull organisation.

Spoiler for delpiero:

Originally Posted by delpiero

me it really is the "Old Lady" part that caught my attention. She's obviously a power figure, and I never heard of a Old Lady before.

As for my dream with the SWAT it's actually in Germany where the German police stopped a US secret operation during the G8 protest.

Protestants are the hobos I saw and the 2 girls. SWAT team was the German police, so now is to know why behind the protestant there is that old lady. And why the German Police is related to her as well...

Or it could also be that in the protestant German Police had infiltrators...

Mind you , dream stalker might exist, but their probably just rebel and random org that just fool around.

You have to see all this in a much higher scale, there is a war going on and power strugle going on in dreamland to capitalize on reality. If you can use dreams to view in distance and to connect to people then some serious org are using it for some serious stuff... and not throwing lil whatever balls you call taken from RPG games

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_viewing

So its impossible that a dream stalker try to interfere when Im on a mission.

However when Im on break I coulkd have met a couple.

Actually to be VERY HONEST, I remember once going in somekind of little kingdom where it was all dreamers there, a little like on this forums, like a community of lucid dreamers but this was in a lucid dream.

And I knew my job was to take over the place by challenging in a duel the supposely master of the place (king or prince).

So we were in a crowd everyone was wearing black capes like "rogues" and then some dude arrived with long dark hairs and some little tattoos and everyone got excited seeing him. So as I was undercover I didnt hesitated and went to meet him, I could feel that he was scared as hell realising he had to deal with me, he started to fly up as an hurrican was raising under him, I caught him by going up faster and threw him back to the ground.

The fight did not last long he got crushed and I took over that little kingdom. hehehe I can tell you that when I woke up it felt pretty good. But I knew this was for me just an amusement. Not work. So for me that's what those anarchist and rebels organisation are. You can be sure that Authorities out there eat them alive and make sure they never cross them in their mission, and if one is discovered sneaking in he will be hunted down...

Like those 2 girls... We will find them and interrogate them.

So I talked with HiddenSaint to see if it could be the same girls and if he helped them out to escape, but indeed we what billions and billions of people dreaming so chances are slight. If ever its the case... then it will explain why after my dream I came here and joined the forum.

Spoiler for Lex16:

Originally Posted by Lex16

I missed quite a bit it would seem.

Apologies: Several I suppose...Skysaw for one. I got pissed when I saw your post, you'll have to forgive me on that. Or not, what ever pleases you.
I think you were the one I insulted the most here.
Mental problems? Does Berserk count as a mental illness? If it does then yeah, I got a problem.

Anyway! back to Q amd A:

What D.W's do?
I think delpiero covered most of it...they keep control of the N.S, or at least try...or they just guide new dreamers. Within the faction they all have their own jobs and stuff.

Banning:
It's a term I use for when I cut the connection to the dream scape of another dreamer, but it can go horribly wrong, making it permenent. No more L.Ding ever again.
I only know of a few people that can do it though...

Can N.S ban?:
Oh yeah! There are a few members that are able to do it...the witch (Old Lady) for one. The D.W's are more prone to use this approach though.

Killing?:
That's a tough one. It depends on alot of things...for a lack of a better refrence have a look at the matrix...you do enough damage to the brain and that's it...you're toast.
You can either 'die' and come back with no damage...'die' and you lose L.Ding or Dying in your bed for no damn reason.

delpiero: I don't know the name of the Old Woman, I only have the names I have given her. She only told me what she was...that was about two years ago...or close to it. I've only seen her a few times. She stays away from me now. I threaten once and that's more of a promise...she sends no more of her soldiers.

RPGs:
I stand corrected! Was playing Cyber Punk this weekend and surprise surprise, we got attacked by the Night Stalker! So I pull back on the RPGs.

Stories! Man! This was so long ago. Sanz I hope you don't mind me telling this one.

About 2 and a half years ago Sanzora contacted me with a problem. She was being pestered by two Lucid Dreamers, assumed them to be Dream Walkers. I decided I wanted to meet these peeple...I was very sceptic, sorry Sanz but I was, so for a week I tried finding these two. Calling the names I was provided with.

After the week was up I was dead sure this was some kind of prank on me...but it wasn't. I was chilling in a arena I had made when this cloaked guy appeared.
I asked him if he was the one I was looking for and he was, unfortunatley I was woken a short time later and was unable to carry on the conversation with him.

Just about the next night he found me again. Still I was unsure...until he called Sanz the Rude One, a pet name ha has for her. I sorta realised the magnitude of this then.
Turned out in the end he and his partner, his sister, had been looking for new recruits and had found Sanz, she'll have to tell you that story.

I gave the two of them a scare before I sent them on their way. They thought I was a Night Stalker, it was a riot!

So...if you're reading this my old friend, laugh along, those were the days!

Less that a week later I had invitations to both factions.

That's how I started actively L.Ding, not just chilling in other dreams.
Since then I've faced D.Ws and N.S, being called names I won't reveal here due to language , earned the right to call myself an N.S hunter and have various victories under my belt.

Right...story time done.
Hey N.S...stop using my friends to get to me...it's not working. And like I promised the names will come out soon.

Spoiler for Sanzora:

Originally Posted by Sanzora

NP Sis ^_^ How do you think I felt? \o/



Ok, that story

So it happened just about when I was getting into lucid dreaming... I was about 6 months down the road with the whole thing and had really only had a few Lucid dreams before it happened. But I did recognise one of the DCs in my dream as someone who was helping me, and At this particular time I hadn't seen him in a while. I didn't know his name.

Jump back to a few years before, when I was 16, I had gotten into the idea of possibly writing a fictional book based on Lucid Dreamers who could walk into people's dreams. They were known as Dream Walkers. I never got round to writing the book, but I established some of the characters. One of the main Characters was a guy named M(for the purposes of not exposing him cos he's actually not a bad guy ) This given, I decided that I was going to name my helpful DC 'M', after the character in my book.

I decided the next time I go Lucid I was going to try and find M in one of the most familiar ways of summoning DCs to you, calling his name.

One night I finally did it and went Lucid and remembered my goal of speaking with M. So I started calling. I walked into a lounge-type area and walked past several groups of people, but not finding my DC. Eventually towards the end of the room I noticed someone that stood out more than the other people, so I looked at him. He still wasn't my DC, so I walked past and continued calling. Then the guy I'd just noticed pipes up 'Don't you know it's rude to call someone and then ignore them flat!' (hence 'The Rude One' :p) I turn around and look at him again... He actually matched the description of the character for my book a few years earlier! His sister then entered my dream, and I knew her name too (even though I had never thought of her before) and I was made aware of the fact that they were DWs. I learned that they had been watching me for quite some time, which is why they came to me immediately whereas they took a while to respond to Lex.

I'll be honest, I also thought we were maybe both just a little crazy and we were rubbing off on each other until about a year ago we found another person in America that had had run-ins with the various factions. That freaked me out! What was even wierder was when I ran into one in real life that had saved me one night when NSs attacked me. He knew my DC name even though we'd never met in real life... So yeah *shrug* Se la vi as the saying goes

Spoiler for anomanderis:

Originally Posted by anomanderis

It seems that my request was answered by a Night Stalker, but I will leave it up to you to decide:

I am in the forest with my friend and we are running away from a beast – a bear. It is wintertime and we are cold. (Reference to the movie with Hopkins and Baldwin). For some reason, my friend is in a red plastic suit - that of Iron Man. His body is stuck in the ice with only his head floating in a pool of shallow water. If he relaxes, his helmet will sink and thus he will drown. The only opening in his helmet is a short horizontal slit situated where his mouth should be.

I wake up to find him struggling with keeping his head above the water and quickly help him by holding his helmet up. His mouth seems weird to me – it is as if his mouth is filled by a bleached-yellow ball, indeed it seems as though the sphere is a natural part of him. I realize that he must’ve struggled all night and didn’t get to sleep. He might be a bit angry at me.

Now I am reminded of the beast and looking around our position, I see 2 smaller fire places quite near us – I quickly run to them and find that the small bag of fried potatoes there is still warm. I shout with all my strength,”HEI!” and soon I am answered by a small group of children running from the forest. Accompaning them are blck government rescue vehicles and a chopper.

I am elated, since I think we have been rescued, but then i see it – a black figure in the distance moving towards the camp where my friend is. The monster walks as if he has a limp, or maybe even a crutch, but it is a monster with the body of a man and from the neck up it has the „head” of a black serpent about 1m long.

Frantically I run to help my friend, but only get there by the next morning. On the road covered with snow I see some woman’s bloody cut off breasts and further on the severed head of my friend lying in the snow. In my head a picture flashes – the monster feasting on my friend. He is eating him behind a table and the different parts are placed on trays of gleaming gold and silver.

I hear a voice in my head, but also in my ear (this was the „realest” voice i’ve heard in dreams except mine. I could actually hear it like I was awake. I do not remember this happening before, since before, the sounds in my dreams have been mostly telepathic). It is a male voice with a touch of female in it too and it grates softly, like flowing sand, but in that voice I can feel the most horrible realization – he took enormous pleasure from killing my friend and he is intelligent. Never before in my dreams have monsters been anything but beasts, but behind that voice I could sense the sick malevolent mind of a human.

I sense his presence behind me and turn around to face it. At this point I start waking up and realizing that this is a dream, i try blasting it with telekinetic force, but it is too late – I am already awake.

Why I think it was a NS and not a usual DC:

1) Monsters have never been "intelligent" in my dreams and have never talked to me.
2) I could sense that he was different from my DCs. Especially his voice - it was way too malevolent to be my creation. When it talked to me, I could sense a hidden threat and amusement in his words ( sadly, i don't recall the words themselves, since after waking up i concentrated on remembering the meaning behind them). It was a challenge of sorts - to see if i was actually worthy of its time.
3) Time distortion - c'mon, it was like 100m away and i arrived there the next day? Don't think so.
4) sick, twisted sense of humor - he ate Anthony Hopkins. he ate Hannibal, ffs!

Spoiler for anomanderis:

Originally Posted by anomanderis

The thing is - what if you are wrong, Caradon and nzguy ? What if people can enter other people's dreams? If they could, then who would wield more power - the dreamer? Aren't they both dreaming, then? We don't know whether dreams have a "universal matrix" to which they connect to, in essence connecting every dreamer in the world/universe, or are they only in your head? Are they in your head or are all dreams of all dreamers in the same "place", just at different wavelengths?

I've been sleeping very deeply. Too deeply, matter of fact, since for the last 3-4 days i've woken up 6 hours after going to sleep, which is a bummer, since it inhibits recall.
This morning i wasn't visited by a NS, but rather had a possible DW/Dream guide experience:

I was with my bro in my parents' bedroom and it was pretty early in the morning, 'bout 6:24, i think. With us there was a man, a storyteller, who was telling me and my bro a story of how contemporary writers use ambiguous and innocent-looking titles to hide the knowledge of astral travel (i think it was astral travel, but can't be sure. It had something to do with altered states of consciousness). He brought us an example, where a book's title had been The Visiting ( The Visit, or smth the like).
Now he proceeded to tell us about a 10-day "training program" that would let us learn this state and my brother lay on the bed, face first, ready to receive the teachings. The storyteller proceeded to speak that the first step was proper digestion. I on the other hand was much more concerned with going to school. I jumped out onto the balcony for a quick breath of the damp cool early-morning air.
Now I am lying on my bed, face first, and as my awareness passes over my brow chakra, i decide to give it a little spin (clockwise, or counterclockwise to an external observer). Immediately, the energy centre bursts aflame - my stimulation causes the the third eye to burn with energy and i remember thinking that maybe finally my brow chakra was going to strobe. The more I used tactile imaging to imagine a clockwise movement of the energy vortex, the more it started burning. It was actually quite painful and i thought that i should go and ask the storyteller for his advice whether to continue the stimulation or leave it be.

Why I think it wasn't just an ordinary DC:
1) During the dream, i noticed that he was different, but didn't pay any attention to it. After waking up i noticed that i had noticed and i could recall that all the time i was doing my stuff and was in the presence of the storyteller - he was always observing me. It wasn't seen, per se, but felt. After waking up, I could recall the feeling of him observing me all that time.
2) This goes together with the observing, since if he wanted to observe how lucid or whatever i was, that was probably what he was trying to do with his story about the book. It was vague enough to maybe catch the attention of my "sleeping" mind, but not direct enough to make me lucid. Thus I infer that if it indeed was a DW, he wanted to see how i acted when i was non-lucid.


This second "visitation" left me with some further questions as to when they can enter dreams. Both today's and yesterday's experience took place somewhere between 7-9 in the morning. This leads me to the questions - do they come in the morning, because then rem sleep is longer?
Because I sleep lighter, thus more easily get lucid?
Or maybe because they can only enter dreams, when the dreamer is sleeping light?
Could there be a "location" difference between deep sleep and light sleep.
Or maybe when you are sleeping lightly, your beacon, your energy signature ( that can be traced by your online user name - answer to a question someone posed above) is broadcasting at a stronger level or maybe during deep sleep it isn't broadcasting at all?
Maybe the DMT tripps of deep sleep make it impossible for the DW's and NS's to enter dreams?

Spoiler for AHiddenSaint:

Originally Posted by AHiddenSaint

I believe I might have been attacked just a little while ago. If it was someone who attacked me in a dream I do not think they are happy by the results.

It all started when was in the car with my mother. A group of 3 people tried to attack us. At this point my God Defense started to kick in because I started to use lightning attacks from clouds in order to attack the people who were attacking me. The attack seemed to be over at that time.


Some how they later within the dream kidnapped a family member. I was able to find the family member by pulling up a display screen not attached to anything that mapped her location and my location. My dream self used this map to guide me to a older building.

There was a relationship between me and the dream world. Basically the more my anger and rage developed the dreamscape itself started to turn violent. Dark Clouds and the feeling that the dreamscape itself would tear apart if I didn't calm down happen.

Two females appeared one was trying to calm down my anger and another was snickering when she thought I couldn't see her. At this time I told her that would she think 10,000 volts from a lightning hit would be funny? Her look basically changed.

My attention then turned to the male member of their group asking violently where the person was. At the time I knew the persons name and everything. I woke up just a few minutes ago before I was able to find the person. I do not know if this was a nightstalker or dreamwalker deal, but if it was then please do not attack me.

If this attack on me in the dreamland was suppose to be cute it wasn't. I respect that if true and others are able too then ok, but leave me out of it right now. I'm not challenging you like anyone else here is so if you got the wrong person by mistake ok. Then again this just could have been a stupid dream no relationship whatsoever to nightstalkers and dreamwalkers.

Spoiler for Nazzul:

Originally Posted by Nazzul

Well I just awoke up from a very exciting dream...was it from a dreamwalker? Or maybe it was a Night stalker hunter, they didnt say. I was in an abandond city the buildings around me were made out of stone or some sort of clay material. I relized something was wrong when my flying was becoming harder to control. As I turned around Isaw two of them ( in retrospec Im thinking they were hunters by the way they lookied plain clothing with a very plain and they looked like males) The two came at me with frightning speed and one was able to hit me to one of the very tall buildings.

They werent normal dream characters at least ones ive never experinced before they seemed to be able to lightly affect things about me with the difficulty in flying usually I am a very good flyer. Anyway when I hit the building one of them started to unsolidify the building and create it into quick sand. I was able to push away just in time as one of the hunters came rushing forward hitting the building instead of me I guess they werent as good as controling the enviroment as I was since when the hunters friend hit the building he was quickly sucked in and dissapeard inside....1 down 1 to go. We both flew at each other ready to attack and started a grapple.

At first he tried to break the dream perhaps as an escape but I was able to keep my concentration and I finnialy had him where I wanted him. In my past dreams I used a shadow arm to consume my opponets but this time it was a bit diffrent. This time I created a shadow that was not like one I have ever seen before it was not a shadow made of air but of luiquid that engulfed him slowley. It was just as effective though if not a bit sticky.

Spoiler for AHiddenSaint:

Originally Posted by AHiddenSaint

Had a weird dream last night that could have been a Night Stalker. I do not remember fully how I got captured or why I was at this location, but in the dream I was captured. A Middle age male white can't remember to much detail other then that Had me in a chamber strapped down to a table.

He kept asking me what I knew and tried to implant something to erease or block knowledge of a group. At this point the dream went blank or my view shifted. I didn't feel myself inside my body, but instead felt myself trapped in almost a machine like view looking outside. The same person was there only this time He was operating on a body. The body itself was my own and my chest on down to my stomach areas were exposed with him messing with my body parts and laughing.

At that point I remember screaming out as this person that felt different from a normal dream character kept laughing. It could have been just a bad nightmare, but it felt different. I felt like I was being questioned for information which I know I never told, but they seemed to have ways to get information without telling. Whatever it was they didn't want me to know something or was afraid of what I knew. Even though there was torment and torture on my part I felt they were more afraid of me then anything else.

Spoiler for AHiddenSaint:

Originally Posted by AHiddenSaint

Do not know if this was a regular dream or someone entered my dream, however, I thought I would post what happen about 2 to 4 hours ago. Yes I was asleep at this time I just woke up around 2pm. Well I was having a dream about the military which was weird. It was basically going through classes and training type stuff.

Half way through the training part we were all in a room and then it started to get a little bit freaky. Scorpion type bugs that were larger then normal ones were appearing in the room out of no where. I had felt something crawling up my back on the spine area, but nothing was there. Someone was in the dream laughing at what was happening to me and others. When I went to talk to the person they got angry. At one point they turned into a stream of small black dust that tried to swarm me, but I was using some move to push them back.

I do not know if it was this time that I woke up, but this dream lasted through two dream cycles. When I orginally woke up to use the bathroom I was brought back within the dream. At this point they were about to shave people's head. My dream self really didn't want that to happen for some reason so tried to escape. The weirdest way escaped was created a tornado and traveled through it although I was still on this complex.

Here is the oddest part THE SAME PERSON FROM BEFORE THAT WAS LAUGHING AT ME WAS THERE AGAIN. He was pissed that he couldn't find me. It almost seemed like he had a lock on me because each move I tried to make in order to escape the person seemed to copy only one move behind. This person was screaming. I did escape by waking back up.

After again using the bathroom and coming back. I decided to push myself on sleep even though I really didn't feel I needed to sleep anymore or was tired I forced myself to sleep just to try to see if could go to that same dream again. The ironic thing is I was able to so that makes it 3 different dream cycles entering the SAME DREAM landscape only this time I seemed to be the one in control.

The people in the dream were still looking for me and trying to figure out what happen. If this was just a dream then it means nothing, but here is what was odd. My dream self was leaving hints I was still by just to see what happen. I was effecting people who were trying to get a drink. The whole time telling my dream self DO NOT HARM PEOPLE. At first when in it did harm I did try to push back whatever pain had been caused. It was almost a revert in the dream because it went back to normal.

This is where it got even more strange though. They knew what was happening and were laughing about it. Whoever these people were knew that I was still around, but couldn't figure out what was going on. They knew I wasn't causing them harm, but instead played into it. They even were having a converstation about it and knowing someone was there because of another event that happen before.

These dreams were either produced by me or something did happen last night. I will admit I was off guard last night as well because of stuff that happen in real life. The night before I only had 2 to 3 hours of sleep. I slept from 11pm to 2pm. I would have been up earlier , but I felt something going on there and I wanted to push myself even if it was my own mind creating it to explore and just see what would happen. I still can not believe I had 3 dreams over the same night about the same place and same complex. Plus it was weird the same dream characters that weren't related to me were there.

Spoiler for AHiddenSaint:

Originally Posted by AHiddenSaint

just to add a note yes that was about 15 hours of sleep for one night.

Spoiler for anomanderis:

Originally Posted by anomanderis

After a long hiatus, i had another interesting encounter with someone. Don't know if this was a dream character, but if it was, then i made it awfully powerful.

This was a lucid dream. I'll leave the beginning out, where i had some fun with a light saber and kaleidoscopic flame -

Now I decide to fly so I jump through the wall of my room and am accelerating upwards, when I see that above the building it gets really bright. So I make a 180 and lets myself fall. I fall through the ground into darkness. It feels really good to fall. After a while I slow and settle on what seems like the ocean floor. It has some sparse and small vegetation. The seabed is covered with rough sand. Visibility is about 10m, but everything is quite dim.
Then something weird happens. I sense a presence approaching fast. I do not like this. It is a presence even darker than darkness. It moves around me and then takes hold of my right hand, attaching itself to me. It laughed with this really evil laugh. Not the lame one you hear in movies, but truly evil. It was enjoying making me feel uncomfortable. I do not like this.
While that was happening, I didn’t feel fear at all. I knew that I was invincible, but the first effort to rid myself of this presence failed. I think I just kinda tried to force push it away from me, but at this point the presence had already kinda melted into my hand and shoulder.
I woke up and, just in case, I did auric cleansing.

Spoiler for L:

Originally Posted by L

Seriously, every time im Lucid..... i keep on getting attacked by some Intelligent force, I saw it like FBI or Secret service.

AT some point in todays dream, i managed to access someones dream but certainly i couldn't control it as i do in my dreams.

What happened was :
This women who i never saw before came to my house and asked me to help her out, she looked so frightened and scared that i couldn't resist on helping her.
SO she started to talk, i gave her some tea and some food .....

After she finished eating, she started to talk about secret society's and other "strange phenomenon", for some reason i felt that my mission was to calm her down.. and tell her to forget everything she knows thus it might kill her one day.

So we entered her car which was Volkswagen blue color and at that point some intelligent force like FBI, CIA started to chase us.
At that point i became lucid and i tried to do anything to prevent them from catching her. But i couldnt do anything,all my powers were useless at that moment. Than i asked the women if she could use her powers... she didnt respond to that question, the only thing i remmeber her saying is , I'm giving you the rights to control me. AT that point i noticed that my usual skills are back. Such as flying, telepathy, Invincibility etc..... Right on i teleported us somewhere in Europe and i started to question her whats going on......
She said these forces target those who become lucid eventually. They have no power over your Dream but they might frighten you if your a newb at controlling your powers.

As for my self, I've been fighting these forces for about 7 month's now... I enjoy fighting them since they bring me some action....

who knows what they are?

Spoiler for Xinro:

Originally Posted by Xinro

Who knows, it could be possible. I believe I met someone recently in a dream - it just had that feeling of being more than a dream, that strange quality some of you probably know. Very strange... I'll give the short(er) version: I injured my back in awake time a few weeks ago, and it hasn't healed since, even with my trying to reiki it. In my dream, I went to the house of this woman I had never met before. She had this strange gold light around her, and she was older. I went over and sat in front of her, and she put her hands on me and it felt like she was trying to heal me, and I could actually feel the energy flowing through, the same energy I get when I'm having reiki done by someone else. After she took her hands away, I felt really sleepy and fell over on the floor. I got that feeling I have before going out of my body and in my dream left my body and flew around, partially lucid, before landing and greying out.

It could be just me, but that was more than a dream. I felt like I knew the woman, like she was someone familliar and kind. Actually, she felt a little like my Reiki master, now that I think about it... My back still isn't fully healed, but it's getting better now.

Spoiler for themuffinman:

Originally Posted by themuffinman

OH god... Im not saying that i believe yet ( i still want to believe) but this is just freaky.

i will post my dream from last night.

Cyan is normal dream
Magenta is vivid part
Green is dream related notes
Black is non dream related notes

Spoiler for themuffinman:

Originally Posted by themuffinman

Treasure Hunts, Flaming Dudes and High Speed Foot Chases

My sister, my dad, and I were with my cousins on my moms side of the family. We stopped at a place to get some cookies. my cookie took longer to order than theirs so when i finally took my cookie from the lady at the counter, i turned around and my family was not there any more. As soon as i started eating the cookie, the dreamscape changed. then me and a couple people from school ( i only recognized about 3 of them) were doing a treasure hunt and we all got clues on a little piece of paper and we were broken into two different teams that were allies but were competing at the same time (if that makes any sense) written on the paper were the clues (which i could read suprisingly) the ones i remember had the word "fat" written in sloppy larger cyan letters to the left and right of the clue which said "meet us in scout" so apearantly scout was the place we started in and we were all getting irritated because it was really far away but i realized that thank god i was not the fat team so i gave the other team the clue (lol wierd?) then the other clue said "learn the fishing skill from the man on the dock" which i already thought we did so we were going to meet them in "Shi Zhang" (which is a place in the game i used to play) so we were running through a little community of portables (little trailer rooms used for school propped up to made semi-permaneant) when we finally reached a dock which we were running at, i was appearantly the leader of the group because when i had dropped my bag with my clothes in it at the portable place, one guy started running back saying "i cant leave my SiFu's bag" (i never saw him again ) so we were running on the docks and i was running in the back because i was the leader (wewt i could actually run in this dream, i ran FAST no wading in knee deep water kind of run, actually a sprint) i looked over my shoulder and it turns out we were being chased because it had turned night (it was dusk in the portables area) so i sprinted even faster to the lead of the group to encourage them and when i got to the front the people in persuit of us ( they seemed to be holding purpleish torches) were getting closer. It got to the point where they caught up to us and they were actually all on fire (not "ahh put me out" kind of fire but like they were supposed to be) so we kicked them all into the lake and were happy. We kept running as more approached then as they caught up to us my friend ben (my friend in real life too, genius of a kid, 1400+ on his SAT's at first attempt i only got 1280 on my first attempt and that is a good score to settle at if your a senior i took pre calculus in 10th grade he took Calculus AB and BC which are both advanced courses just to show you how smart he is and the normal 10th grader course would be algebra2 or integrated math) he told me "theres too many of them, we need to" and i finished his sentence with him "kick them in to each other!" so he slowed down untill he was just in front of the leader and back kicked the leader just to slow him down a little but the effort was basically to no avail because all it did was just slow him down. Then the leader said " if you try to 1v1 us (attack them on one person against one of flaming creature dudes) then you will loose. And then i woke up.

after i typed it in this morning, (just 10 minutes after) i calle dmy friend ben and asked him how long ago did he wake up he said (basically you just called me and woke me up) after apologising i asked him if there were any chases in his dreams he said he was on fire and he was not chasing anybody but runing because he was on fire and he smelled water to put himself out. he said the last thing he remembered was a lady with whte hair and the moon behind her, she was wearing a dress or skirt, i dont remember what he said. OO creepy stuff

Spoiler for Aryaxon:

Originally Posted by Aryaxon

In the dream it was night (nothing odd about that ). I became lucid at some point while walking about a forrest so i decided to "sence" around me to see if anything was there. After a while of peacefull nothing everything suddenly changed in some small yet definat way, the air around me "changed" as if it was being infested by fear. At this i got up and ran (naturaly ) all the while the fear in the air was increasing in rappid waves, as it got powerfuly strong i could feel it hitting me like hundreds of ripples each one building up fear inside me. Just as i thought i was going to go insane from the builtup fear inside me i emerged out from the forrest, ran a little further, then stoped and turned around. At this point i could feel that the waves were originating from an entity deep in the forrest and that by sencing it i discovered that for some strange reason it was me!. At this revelation it rushed forwards at me causing the waves to smash into me like a blast of air. I quickly woke myself up overcome with fear.

Its my belief that i had encounted my fear incarnate.

As for the possibility of saying it was a night stalker, when i senced it it was for example like when you look into a mirror you see yourself only with this being i could feel that it was part of me.

Spoiler for mathieu:

Originally Posted by mathieu

a couple months ago i had a ld about fighting with this older man. he was dressed as someone out of the 1930s, with his hat pulled low covering his eyes. i tried everything to hurt him like, when trying to punch him i transformed my arms into snakes, but as they went to strike him he transformed his arms into some kind of sword. and slid them into the snakes mouths and ripped them open. then they kinda exsploded into ash. then he started laughing at me exsplaing he has been hear alot longer then me, an knew all the tricks. i tried energy beams and even this weird thing where i ball up dirt in my hands and it turns into the steel balls i can throw so fast they turn white hot. he just caught them in his hands and blew on them then they just turned to ash? was this a nightstalker? i ended waking myself up, brcause ive never ran into someone in my LDs i couldnt hurt.

Spoiler for Sativa:

Originally Posted by Sativa

Now I am not sure if this post is related to night stalkers but I was reading these posts and see multiple ones mentioning an old lady. Gets me very curious as I experienced something a month ago that kinda made my life upside down. Maybe a coincidence but it have left me terrified.

Last years I am beginning to experience sleeping paralysis, I go to bed, fall asleep but shortly wakes up totally paralyzed but seem to be aware. This follows by some weird hallucinations, as someone is there in the room, often pushing me down and some times I have not been able to breathe as if being choked.

About 3 times ago, I had a very strong LOUD screaming sound in my ears but I was on my stumach and could not move or see the room. Second last time, that made me some what traumatized I saw an old lady. This time I was still quite wide awake as it first started to go paralyzed, and I was able to stop it before it feels too dissolving (like every atom in the body wanna go opposite direction) by tighten my muscles all I have and try to scream. I laid there thinking as it appeared again within a few minutes while I was still awake. I then managed to snap out of it just before it started to paralyze me completely and I was laying there even more confused. Somehow I started thinking about death and immediately when I thought the word I was instantly paralyzed followed by the vision of an old lady, ripping her nails against me screaming with this horrible voice that she will do everything to destroy me. The structure in her face was not of aged skin but more as the skin was paled off showing the muscular structure. I have never felt so threatened and terrified before and that kinda made me stuck in a panic state which I am still suffering from in my waking time. I just felt a weird feeling,when I read about this old lady and would love to know more. And if you have any more information/experiences about sleep paralyses Id like to know/talk more about it, send me a IM?

(Just want to mention also that I had another paralysis this night which was not as terrifying, kinda made me enlightened in a way. It just did not want to go away, I moved position in bed I tightened my muscles I screamed but it kept coming back instantly so in the end, very tired as I was i just gave up, laid on stumach and just tried to relax. It came back but this time I felt as I started to levitate in my bed about 1-2dm above it. I have never felt such a feeling of freedom before) I am so curious what is happening to me, I am so confused

Thanks for your time ^^

Spoiler for anon1776:

Originally Posted by anon1776

alright heres a dream I had, I'm unsure if this is what your talking about, it might be it might be not, its one of those dreams i've had that i've wanted to resolve for a long time but never have.

*dream*
I'm on some sort of rail train that is elevated off the ground as it pulls into a platform, it seems old and rusty, but still relativly high tech. It is going somewhere. We arrive on this sort of... I would describe it as a plane. But only in the manner that it seemed to extend around flat, with grass and what not but there didn't seem to be anything in the distance, almost liek a floating island. On that island was this old Japanese dojo type thing. Some of the people on the train got off onto this plane and we began to attend this class inside the dojo. In the dojo was this entity--just eminating coldness and hatred and anger-- just thinking about it, as i'm typing now gives me a tingly feeling. The entitty came up to me, paralyzed in fear, and touched me in the chest. it was so cold and just plain evil, i cant think of another word to describe it me and this entity began entered into combat, it chased me around away from the dojo, i remember the raw fear of being chased. I don't remember after that but I think at that time woke up from this dream. what do you think?

\\the "entity" i can only describe as being slim, greyish, almost seemingly made out of old grey tattered cloth wrapped around a person.

Spoiler for dorpis:

Originally Posted by dorpis

Okay, I've had dreams with the dream (or whatever) character in it alot. He's a pediphile.

It usually starts off with me walking home with a friend. As my friend goes to his house, I continue. The area was sort of like a factory, but outside. It was lined with these strange machines (which I find cool). As I turned around (a habit of mine when I walk) I see this man, in my dreams, his face is usually covered by hair or a hood, or because he's too far to see. Anyways, I could tell he was really far. So I did the smart thing, I continued to walk, and when I made a curve, I ran for my life! But when I turn around awhile later, I see him, he was even closer now! I could tell that he was smiling, as if amused by my efforts. As this all happened, this feeling of fear creeped in me. He was evil. Other times, I'm walking home at night (that was this dream) other times I'm walking in a crowded place. But these dreams always occur in similar places, such as this very high tech school, or this kind of strange town that looked to be from the 1940's or something. And the man was a clown one time, I believe. Also, while talking normally with my friend, I feel safe and cool. But as my friend leaves, I start to feel nervous...

Spoiler for spitfire riggz:

Originally Posted by spitfire riggz

well i truly dont think this is one. but give it a try. last night i had this really vivid dream where im at a skatepark, but the skatepark turns out to be real crappy so i keep walking. after the park, there are these sort of stairs, the place is half parking lot/skatepark half kinda movie theater, with a red capet. anyways, so im up on these stairs, and i drop a dollar (hahah) down the edge of the story. this security guard picks it up and for some reason i reach with all my heart to try to get it. he looks at me and his face kinda turns into a clown. but i go down the stairs and proceed to chase him, but he easily gets away. he starts super jumping and i get a wierd feeling

Spoiler for anomanderis:

Originally Posted by anomanderis

This morning I had my second possible NS encounter a few dreams after I had been fully lucid so I was fairly semi-lucid during the time.
A guy had broken a glass candle casing of an Orthodox church and was being punished by a Russian clergyman in the little shack next to the church. I assumed that he would only get his ass severely striped, but when he came out his face was completely pale and had eyes as that of a dead fish.
I went to the clergyman and asked if he realized how evil his actions really were.
Suddenly he towered above me, his face contorted in a carnivorous smile. The abrupt and powerful sense of total evil he emitted threw me off balance and I felt slight fear as I took a few steps back.
He pulled me towards him with Force pull and then pushed me away before I could retaliate. By this time my mind had already executed emergency dream exit procedures.
If this really was my second NS encounter, then this was also the second time I was caught by surprise. By the time I had mustered myself for a counterattack, the fear (even if it wasn't that great) had given him control over me.
I considered him to be a NS, because he felt intrinsically the same (EVIL!) as the "person" from the first encounter.

Of course, here the fact that I asked him how evil he was, could've transformed the DC of a clergyman into an evil NS. Possible...

Originally Posted by memeticverb

Yes, and you should post your extended thoughts in the thread on the possible physical explanations of telepathy and dream sharing.

Thank you. That thread has been posted on by someone who also posted here, but he just spammed about it not being needed and me getting up my post count. It has not been posted on on topic by anyone except me. And for a while (until I saw ChaybaChayba's post) it didn't matter because the spamming on this thread had stopped.



ChaybaChayba, You posted here about the science of dreamsharing AGAIN. After I posted a link to and instructions to post on Physics of Dreamsharing, and I PMed you specifically telling you not to. As you seem to have a short memory span, here's your post.

Spoiler for Your post:

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

We completely agree, the only reason why you think we don't, is because you do not understand what resonance is. I can make your eye resonate with sound waves, claiming nothing in your eye resonates is just trying to say B when I say A..

I think some scientists already discovered this dark energy (never heard of the term dark energy myself) but, I assume it's the same as orgon energy, or the aether? I don't really believe such a thing as "vacuum" exists, how can "nothing" exist? I think this vacuum lots of people, including science, talk about is actually just another form of energy.. So yeah, I also thought about that, and I read this really elaborated article about this energy and astral projections.. google for Robert Bruce. Anyway, almost all cultures through history over the whole world have talked about this energy, there must be something to it.

I PMed everyone you were talking to about the same thread, so they should see it and reply to it on that thread. (Unlike you, you useless bent spoon.)

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Thank you for posting on the other thread.

I didn't post about the science of dream sharing, I posted about the science of the eye! And maybe I just didn't read your PM yet, ever thought about that? No need to get all emotional! I'll go read it right now

ChaybaChayba, I thought you would have read the post on this thread. The PM was sent so that, if you meant to reply to someone's post that was posted before mine but hadn't gotten around to it, you would do it on the other thread. Obviously, you just skipped my post and read WaterSquirrel's post. If your not even reading this thread, don't share your opinion. The reason I didn't specifically chew him out is because he got to the thread after I had posted it. (I think. I don't recall him being on here before. I'm sure he hasn't been posting about the science of the eye or other parts of the science of dreamsharing.)

And about this not being the science of dreamsharing: If you're just talking about the science of the eye, your way off topic.

Again, Thank you for posting on the other thread.

I didn't post about the science of dream sharing, I posted about the science of the eye! And maybe I just didn't read your PM yet, ever thought about that? No need to get all emotional! I'll go read it right now

Since I still haven;t recieved answers, and the thread's been off topic long enough that my original post isn;t noticed, I'm re-posting the unanswered questions (to do with the original subjects of Nightstalkers/Dream walkers, NOT about eyes or brain scans):
1.is there any way to differentiate between a NS/DW and a regular dream character?
2.If you regularly meet sentient-seeming dream characters who do not conform to any of your own dream styloes, are they likely dream walkers, or merely dream characters?
3.Are these actively encountered beings, have people here actually had proven dreams where they encountered a DW/NS that they later met in real life and confirmed the dream encounter, or is this purely theoretical, based on occurences in dreams unproven IRL?

Sorry, I was going to post this before, but I was making another thread. (Basically, I forgot.)

Read the fourth story (by Sanzora) and the fourteenth (by themuffinman) in my post above to help answer your third question and the fifth story (by anomanderis) and the sixth story (by anomanderis) to help answer your first question.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Ok, this thread has been sucking lately, so lets try something new.

You post any dreams you think might be NS encounters in as much detail as possible here, and I'll tell you if it was just a regular dream or really a Night Stalker.

After this post, some people wrote their dreams on the forum and he, using criteria that is unknown to me, said whether they were probably shared dreams or not. He may rate yours if you post them here. You could still look at the ones he rated and compare them to yours.

I don't know much about shared dreaming, so I just direct you to the people who do. The answer to your first question is probably "yes". (I know, you want to know how: I have no idea. I might look back through the thread and see what other people have said.) I have no idea about your second question. labmonkeywork has posted about reoccuring shared dreams, however, so you can search for posts by him on this thread to find other stuff to compare your dreams to. And your third question: people claim to have proven dream sharing. No one has convinced science as a whole that dreamsharing is possible, but they have convinced sections of the scientific community. Basically, if you believe them, ya; if you don't believe them, no.

I've tried explaining my unknown criteria before, but nobody seems to be getting it. So let me try again...

People are right when they say NS can't hurt you since it's your dream, but what they can do is use you dream against you.

Say we met in a dream and I attacked you from behind with a sword which you didn't see. It likely wouldn't have much effect. Even just as straight up attack that you did see coming probably wouldn't do much.

But if I yelled to you to get your attention, then used that same sword to cleave some giant rocks or smash some buildings in a dramatic display, I could implant the suggestion into your dream that my sword is indeed powerful. At this point it becomes part of your dream, and now has power over you. Perhaps I would hack a few helpless DCs and lick their blood from the sword to further reinforce the idea in your mind.

That type of behavior is characteristic of NS, and they find creative ways to use it. Maneuvers like that are their main weapon, and actual attacks are much less important. Normal DCs don't have that kind of mastery.