Thread: What Tibetan Monks Can Do

Originally Posted by juroara

a link, something to read! thank you

the concept is interesting. but what is it really, if its not just a hallucination? are they like dream characters? are they conscious? if its real, and they are conscious, are dream characters conscious too?

Absolutely not, they were appartitions created by "a mystical and unnatural power of concentration and imagination during meditation", during which these
"manufactured ghosts" appear as vivid as a real man.

The article documents that these apparitions can be seen by anyone and have a mind of their own- they can react to the physical environment; although not physically interact- just like "real" ghosts.

See the wiki page for apparitional XPs and you'll probs understand what these freaky things are better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apparitional_experience

Alexandra David-Neel was in fact the first foreigner Lama (and probs the only one and the only woman to), so she claims in the article that she had once created her own apparition, picturing him to be a fat bald monk.

I saw some dude on tv .. cant remember if he was a Tibetan monk though.. I don't think he was.

He absorbed the sun for nutrients and went without food or water for 2weeks under scientific conditions. He had a big window and said he absorbed the sun into the back of his throat into a ball and then digested it! The scientists didn't know what to do.. it all went against to what they believe.

Sorry if someone already mentioned this.. I just scanned through

Was a cool program

I think through meditation though a lot is possible.

Also some young guy who was a monk went a very long time without food/water whilst meditating out in the jungle.. he was filmed for a bit until he ran away due to not being able to meditate with all the people about.

He also set on fire whilst just sittin there.. the meditation technique he was doing made him really hot.

Sounds like a form of Inedia. I'm not sure how seriously to take it. Which scientists? Working for which institutions? How strict was it?

From what I read, most people like this just pick at food, and if placed in rigorous scientific conditions have been unable to keep it up.

Maybe he slows his metabolism and thus can go longer without eating, or something. I think that nearly anything is possible. But I try to be as skeptical as possible.

Originally Posted by apachama

Sounds like a form of Inedia. I'm not sure how seriously to take it. Which scientists? Working for which institutions? How strict was it?

From what I read, most people like this just pick at food, and if placed in rigorous scientific conditions have been unable to keep it up.

Maybe he slows his metabolism and thus can go longer without eating, or something. I think that nearly anything is possible. But I try to be as skeptical as possible.

maybe nothing is impossible, and all there is left to do is understand how so

plants in their own right, eat sunlight and drink water. its transformed into an energy that animals eat. then we humans eat both as we will. but the energy in food, in both animals and plants, can't we also say it was once the energy of the sun and water?

Originally Posted by apachama

Sounds like a form of Inedia. I'm not sure how seriously to take it. Which scientists? Working for which institutions? How strict was it?

From what I read, most people like this just pick at food, and if placed in rigorous scientific conditions have been unable to keep it up.

Maybe he slows his metabolism and thus can go longer without eating, or something. I think that nearly anything is possible. But I try to be as skeptical as possible.

Sorry I cant remember what scientists.. may have been on the Extraordinary People programs called something like The man who never eats? dunno

was dudes on there sayin they aint ate for years.

it was strict like.. he was kept in one room with cams and windows.. people check on him everyday..

when he bathed and washed the water was measured before and after and he had to bath in this container thing which measured and made sure no water was lost.

I dunno. Ill try find more stuff.

Are there any guides on the internet about tummo? Ive looked but cant find any.. =/

Originally Posted by gagaku

They can also raise there body heat with a type of meditation called g Tum-mo.

Also known as Kundalini.

I have experienced the heat effect, but without proper training and instructions from an authentic guru, I could not realize my potential.

Originally Posted by Dizko

Are there any guides on the internet about tummo? Ive looked but cant find any.. =/

This is one of the highest Tantric Buddhist yoga tantra. It is not openly taught to the public. If you see any material in public publications, chances are, it is incomplete. Only trusted and selected disciples of the Tantric Masters get to learn the complete teachings. (Possibly one could learn it from other-worldly beings as as Dakinis also)

Karuna (Compassion),
DarkMind

I do want to more about this being-manifestation. Total crack, but it sounds like something fun to fiddle with.

Originally Posted by Tsiyeria

Another one is, a Tibetan monk can (occasionally) go weeks without eating. They drop into a state of deep meditation, almost a stasis, and their bodies slow down to the point where they actually don't need food.

This reminds me of hummingbirds, which, due to their high metabolisms, go into torpor at night and frequently in the day. Imagine: slowing the heart rate from 1000 BPM to 60 BPM!

The uneating monks may have somehow turned on a gene present in many mammals which causes light hibernation. We aren't too far off from some hibernating mammals, and probably have the gene in us--but turned off (just as birds have the genes for scales, teeth, claws, and long reptilian tails, but they are turned off). But that's ludicrous. Seriously, disregard that (I just watched Jurassic Park). The better hypothesis is to assume that the monk did very little physical activity, and focused on keeping his heart rate low.

They're monks, they're trained for this type of stuff.
I grew up in a Buddhist household where the monks we encountered only ate and drank what was donated to them from the community. They live a very simple and humble life. So, it's not hard for me to believe.
Plus, technically, I heard the human body can go a week (maybe longer) without food, it's water we can't last too long without.

As for the conjuring up of a being, I've heard it could be done with a lot of focus and meditation.
On a board a frequent, I read that if you get enough people to focus their thoughts and energy into one thing, anything can happen. I believe I read that in a book as well. The book even mentioned that back during the Cold War, the US was funding an experimental group that did just that. Except they didn't try to form anything (not like the monks). What they did was bring their minds together to point out a location and maybe draw it. In the context of the Cold War, they were trying to get these people to see if they can pinpoint the enemy's secret location. The location where they might be hiding powerful weapons. It seemed to have had done well but the operation was shut down. Well, that's what I read anyway.
I'm guessing it's sort of the same concept as what the monks were doing. But instead of manifesting a being, the think group were trying to find a location.
We're all made of energy, so anything is possible.

what do you think this means in terms of, like an anime character that fans are obsessed with?

if thousands of people are thinking and loving a character, sometimes forgetting the character isnt real? do you think something happens?

Originally Posted by apachama

This is one guide. I'm not sure to what extent I believe this. But its an interesting idea to compartmentalise a bit of your personality as an other for one reason or another.

I read this article, but I honestly didn't understand at all what they were talking about. Can anyone explain it to me?

Originally Posted by Liberty

They're monks, they're trained for this type of stuff.
I grew up in a Buddhist household where the monks we encountered only ate and drank what was donated to them from the community. They live a very simple and humble life. So, it's not hard for me to believe.
Plus, technically, I heard the human body can go a week (maybe longer) without food, it's water we can't last too long without.

As for the conjuring up of a being, I've heard it could be done with a lot of focus and meditation.
On a board a frequent, I read that if you get enough people to focus their thoughts and energy into one thing, anything can happen. I believe I read that in a book as well. The book even mentioned that back during the Cold War, the US was funding an experimental group that did just that. Except they didn't try to form anything (not like the monks). What they did was bring their minds together to point out a location and maybe draw it. In the context of the Cold War, they were trying to get these people to see if they can pinpoint the enemy's secret location. The location where they might be hiding powerful weapons. It seemed to have had done well but the operation was shut down. Well, that's what I read anyway.
I'm guessing it's sort of the same concept as what the monks were doing. But instead of manifesting a being, the think group were trying to find a location.
We're all made of energy, so anything is possible.

I actually began reading a book based on the US military's astral projection and OBE project. It was listed as Project Stargate (me being a dork like I thought ooooo hey stargate cool word i'ma get it) It gaves examples of some test such as them spotting a downed helicopter they had lost communication with several days before and they were on the other side of the world doing this. But the actuall project was "Closed" in 95

I found a Wikipedia link to it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project

hehe Stargate, like the show?

I think that the general gist of this thread is talking about producing a complete dream double of our waking self.
As far as I am aware this is a level of ability beyond lucid or even obe.
When such ability is achieved I imagine that the waking self would be like a dream. Thus each could dream the other.
That would be an interesting state of affairs.

You mean like astral projecting?

I mean like you sitting at your computer, reading this post, as real as this very moment you are experiencing right now, but experienced with your dreamt double.

Isn't that the same thing as astral projecting?
I think I've only experienced it maybe twice and that was by accident.
But I've been told by people who could do it that it's very real.

"In Secrets & Mysteries of the World by Sylvia Browne , Chapter 7: Tulpas, explains brief story of old Tulpas and new Tulpas from England. Alexandra David-Néel's Friar Tuck-like monk tulpa is also mentioned."

I'm not a big fan of Sylvia Browne, but I have flipped through a book or two of hers.

Creation of a tulpa was a gradual process...like imagining them in your mind repeatedly until you get the perfect image, then you are supposed to gradually imagine them in the real world. Sylvia stated that this could take months to fully get the tulpa to interact in our world. She said that the tulpas could turn negative even if you kept positive intent in their creation and that they could harm others.

Personally, I think this is extremely dangerous whether you have good intent or not. I have no clue if this really works, but it sounds like people are trying to play God and it just backfires. Don't want to try it. Ever. lol

Carlos Castaneda talks about this sort of thing in his books. apperrantly they project their dreaming bodies into the real world.

It's still made of energy whether it originally started with your or not, eventually all forms of energy that's been brought together to form a separate entity takes on it's own personality.

Yes it is made of energy but then so is the normal waking self. As regards it being produced from the waking self, well thats a view from the waking self. Its just as valid to say the waking self is a product of it.

You know, this might be a bit farfetched, but what the hell...we're in the Beyond Dreaming forum anyways:

They say Tulpas are a manifestation of your own energy. Well I watched an episode of 'A Haunting' on Discovery channel...(whose to say these events even took place BUT) A middle aged woman was experiencing a frightening spirit. It was throwing things and frightening her, her kids, and her husband. So she called in a paranormal investigator and a psychic. The psychic said that the evil spirit was actually the woman's own creation. She said that the woman was extremely stressed, depressed, and traumatized but she never let those emotions out. SO this tulpa was a manifestation of her emotions that she did not release...(Well, she released them the wrong way).

In the end the spirit ceased and she got counseling and la dee da dee dah.

But this can't possibly be a good thing to go around creating if you aren't absolutely sure that you can control it...

I think I saw that episode.
Sometimes it happens by accident, it goes from manifesting in our dreams to form outside out of it.
Sometimes spirits that already exist will feed off of that negative energy.

You can't always be sure that you can control anything. Anything made up of energy eventually picks up its own energy and develops its own personality.
We're all the products of our parents but we've all developed our own personality, became our own person.