Thread: Sony declares psychic phenomena real

Its funny how other people are JUST figuring these things out. Psychic phenomena has been proven to death, tons of times. Its old news. Now people need to just work on developing the abilities.

Hmm, this is pretty interesting. But I have a hard time believing that they couldn't make any use of it. I mean, seriously? It seems to me that with such new technology, we could completely revolutionize the entertainment industry. Perhaps they just don't want to give it all away just yet, or perhaps they ran into some serious technical difficulties or side effects with it, who knows.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Which is really too bad, psychic television would have kicked major ass.

Exactly. And so much more. The masses would be thrilled to see something new such as this emerge. There is definitely money to be made, I personally think.

I've been trying to find any other sources apart than this one and the parascope link they provide on that site, and nothing too credible comes up. I mean I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt, but I can't find anything official stating this discovery.

Psychic phenomena has been proven to death, tons of times. Its old news. Now people need to just work on developing the abilities.

I have never seen actual concrete proof of psychic abilities being real, but again, I'm willing to keep an open mind on the subject. It just seems like the same story about ghosts and aliens: plenty of anecdotal evidence, but nothing official. Perhaps you could prove me wrong on this though?

Sorry don't mean to be a nay-sayer, don't get me wrong I'm all about this kind of stuff. But it's easy to believe in this stuff, yet so hard at the same time. Thanks for the link though, definitely some great stuff!

Originally Posted by Tricky

Its funny how other people are JUST figuring these things out. Psychic phenomena has been proven to death, tons of times. Its old news. Now people need to just work on developing the abilities.

Exactly! I want to see how the skeptics react...you should move this to the philosophical section f the forums. I want to know what Xei says...lol.. he swears shit like this doesn't exist.

High Hunter...science can't explain everything

Those things would be useful, you are right. But theres a problem. Most psychic affects they test, are much too small to put to any practical use. (At least for people who arent trained) For example, micro PK. With dice, they use thier mind to influence the dice. They statistically prove that they can do it. They roll it about 10,000 times and force one number. Then, they end up with thier number getting WAY more than all the other numbers. They had to do it A LOT, though, because the effects are SO SMALL that if you only did it about 200 times, it wouldnt have such an observable effect. The number they were forcing would come up more, but not to the point that it would be proof, because it would only be a few more. Wich is why you need to do it many times. What I'm trying to say is a bit hard to explain, but I'm sure you can understand it.

yea i can understand. But its also funny how mystics have been saying this same shit for near 5,000 years. And science is JUST starting to prove it.

That's what i think 2012 is about, people finally finding out about the paranormal.

I can't wait until they have virtual video games. Where your ACTUALLY in the game....feeling the kickback of that m4 carbine semi-automatic assault rifle pumping round after round...stalking from office to office

Originally Posted by Tricky

Those things would be useful, you are right. But theres a problem. Most psychic affects they test, are much too small to put to any practical use. (At least for people who arent trained) For example, micro PK. With dice, they use thier mind to influence the dice. They statistically prove that they can do it. They roll it about 10,000 times and force one number. Then, they end up with thier number getting WAY more than all the other numbers. They had to do it A LOT, though, because the effects are SO SMALL that if you only did it about 200 times, it wouldnt have such an observable effect. The number they were forcing would come up more, but not to the point that it would be proof, because it would only be a few more. Wich is why you need to do it many times. What I'm trying to say is a bit hard to explain, but I'm sure you can understand it.

Right, I gotcha. Well hey maybe some time they will come up with some sort of device that could perhaps enhance these natural abilities, and maybe even train us to eventually upgrade them. I'm definitely excited to see if any of this comes up in the near, or not-so-distant, future.

And Hard-wired,

But its also funny how mystics have been saying this same shit for near 5,000 years. And science is JUST starting to prove it.

High Hunter...science can't explain everything

The link Cusp posted is actually about scientific research on the matter. Perhaps science really can explain everything, yet it just doesn't have the necessary, available means to explain or calculate this phenomenon any further as of now?

We will all see in due time!

Originally Posted by High Hunter

Hmm, this is pretty interesting. But I have a hard time believing that they couldn't make any use of it. I mean, seriously?

They came to the same conclusion with the US military remote viewing program. I believe the they said the results obtained just weren't "actionable". Meaning there is no way to know if you're right until you verify, which is kind of useless.

But in this case, they just couldn't find a way to apply it to electronics, so they couldn't make use of it for their purposes. But they really should have kept trying. Would have been a kick ass way to replace the controller on the playstation.

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

Exactly! I want to see how the skeptics react...

You don't need to be psychic to know that. They start by attacking the credibility of the source material. Which is reasonable considering the website it came from, but if you contact Sony I'm sure they will tell you it's true. They're just not publicizing it to protect the image of the company.

Then they'll ignore it saying "If it is true, then how come it isn't all over the news?"

Same old, same old.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

They came to the same conclusion with the US military remote viewing program. I believe the they said the results obtained just weren't "actionable". Meaning there is no way to know if you're right until you verify, which is kind of useless.

But in this case, they just couldn't find a way to apply it to electronics, so they couldn't make use of it for their purposes. But they really should have kept trying. Would have been a kick ass way to replace the controller on the playstation.

Hehe, yeah it makes sense. Well hey hopefully the project is just on hold until further development! Well damn, sure makes me feel like reading up on psychic stuff now.

this is quite interesting. I feel the reason why it wouldnt be marketable is because psychic abilities take a long time to develop in to any useful form. So, any electronic device that were to take advantage of these abilities would also have to some how develop the skill immediately...kind of like a set of weights that made you instantly stronger

You all are idiots... no offense
First off, ya science can explain everything...
Second, you guys are too busy hopping on the we told you so bandwagon that you didn't even check the source of this article...

This came from parascope.com... a site dedicated to proving the existance of the chupicabra, ufos, and big foot among other things...

You all fail... unless you're trolling, then you win

Originally Posted by metcalfracing

You all are idiots... no offense
First off, ya science can explain everything...
Second, you guys are too busy hopping on the we told you so bandwagon that you didn't even check the source of this article...

This came from parascope.com... a site dedicated to proving the existance of the chupicabra, ufos, and big foot among other things...

You all fail... unless you're trolling, then you win

Maybe you should actually read the whole thread before throwing insults around.

And thank you for this post, it was highly benevolent and educational. Truly not something an idiot himself would post.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

You don't need to be psychic to know that. They start by attacking the credibility of the source material. Which is reasonable considering the website it came from, but if you contact Sony I'm sure they will tell you it's true. They're just not publicizing it to protect the image of the company.

Then they'll ignore it saying "If it is true, then how come it isn't all over the news?"

Originally Posted by metcalfracing

You all are idiots... no offense
First off, ya science can explain everything...
Second, you guys are too busy hopping on the we told you so bandwagon that you didn't even check the source of this article...

This came from parascope.com... a site dedicated to proving the existance of the chupicabra, ufos, and big foot among other things...

You all fail... unless you're trolling, then you win

OK, I forgot to mention the arrogant insults.

Sure it's not the most credible of sources, but in this case it's absolutely true. But skeptics are so sure of themselves, they don't even need to take the time to look into things further since they already "know", thus dismissing any evidence. And that is the skeptic's enigma.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

OK, I forgot to mention the arrogant insults.

Sure it's not the most credible of sources, but in this case it's absolutely true. But skeptics are so sure of themselves, they don't even need to take the time to look into things further since they already "know", thus dismissing any evidence. And that is the skeptic's enigma.

If we could rep on this site, I would have repped you on this post, because you demonstrated exactly what skeptics do

Originally Posted by metcalfracing

You all are idiots... no offense
First off, ya science can explain everything...
Second, you guys are too busy hopping on the we told you so bandwagon that you didn't even check the source of this article...

This came from parascope.com... a site dedicated to proving the existance of the chupicabra, ufos, and big foot among other things...

You all fail... unless you're trolling, then you win

I wan't aware that your were an astral being who held the knowledge to every happening since the rapid expansion of the Universe. If it turns out you are not, then here's this. Human beings do not and can not know everything that's ever happened. At one point in time, there may have been an age of Psychological Power were everyone demoonstrated telekenisis all day. If Science could explain everything, don't you think it already would have? But then again, you are the astral being that knows everything and always had known everything so you must already know this. nevermind.

So I was watching TV this morning and couldn't find the remote...and I felt really lazy and didn't want to get up.

Man did I wish I had a psychic television at that point.
Got me thinking, imagine if you had a master controller for everything that's electronic in your house, and you had psychic access to it from wherever you are.

Wouldn't that be fun? I hope they give this project a go again sometime

Originally Posted by High Hunter

Right, I gotcha. Well hey maybe some time they will come up with some sort of device that could perhaps enhance these natural abilities, and maybe even train us to eventually upgrade them. I'm definitely excited to see if any of this comes up in the near, or not-so-distant, future.

There is. Its a process called remote viewing, wich I am currently being trained in, by the best, most credible RV instructor in the world.

metcalfracing: Thats not the only evidence. There is mountains of it, not just this tiny, poorly done article.



P.S: To The Cusp: About it being on the news, it has. Lots of times.

THIS SOURCES IS COMPLETELY UNRELIABLE!!! >:{

Quite impressive, actually. And yes, psychic TV would rock. Hard.

Originally Posted by Delphinus

THIS SOURCES IS COMPLETELY UNRELIABLE!!! >:{

YOU'RE A COMPLETE DOUCHBAG!!!

Those types of sites are the only ones that carry a record of this event on the internet. If you pull your head out of your ass long enough to take a look around you might learn something.

try this one then:
http://books.google.ca/books?id=eedL...um=1#PPA168,M1

Hmm... Perhaps I should have included a quote from your other comment to convey a light-hearted tone...

It was a joke, Cusp.

Originally Posted by metcalfracing

You all are idiots... no offense
First off, ya science can explain everything...
Second, you guys are too busy hopping on the we told you so bandwagon that you didn't even check the source of this article...

This came from parascope.com... a site dedicated to proving the existance of the chupicabra, ufos, and big foot among other things...

You all fail... unless you're trolling, then you win

First, do the words "cross-referencing" mean anything to you?

According to a summary of the book "The Conscious Universe: The Scientific Truth of Psychic Phenomena" (written by Dean Radin, the foremost authority on the scientific research of psychic phenomena):

Radin draws from his own work at Princeton, Stanford Research Institute, and Fortune 500 companies, as well as his research for the U.S. government, to demonstrate the surprising extent to which the truth of psi has already been tacitly acknowledged and exploited. As The Conscious Universe details, such no-nonsense entities as Sony, Contel, and the U.S. Army have delved into, and benefited from, psychic forces. He then examines why the scientific establishment still pooh-poohs psi for reasons that have nothing to do with the weight of new evidence and everything to do with the institutionalized prejudices of scientists themselves. The Conscious Universe also sifts the data for tantalizing hints of how mind and matter are linked. Though the link defies the laws of classical physics, it may heel closely to the basic precepts of quantum mechanics. Finally, Radin takes a bold look ahead, to the inevitable social, economic, academic, and spiritual consequence of the mass realization that mind and matter can influence each other without having physical contact.

http://www.afterlife101.com/Conscious_Universe.html

Second, no, science cannot explain everything. It can explain everything that humans can perceive, either through our own, naked senses, or with the tools that we invent which help us see more than what we can readily perceive (which in no way ensures that we can see everything).

The next time you decide to open your "mouth," with such arrogant drivel, do your freaking homework. It took me all of 30 seconds to find that summary to Radin's book. And you can try all you want to discredit him; his work is well-founded. I suggest you read some of it.

Originally Posted by metcalfracing

You all are idiots... no offense
First off, ya science can explain everything...
Second, you guys are too busy hopping on the we told you so bandwagon that you didn't even check the source of this article...

This came from parascope.com... a site dedicated to proving the existance of the chupicabra, ufos, and big foot among other things...

You all fail... unless you're trolling, then you win

I think ur the one who wins at trolling, as O's post clearly shows

Originally Posted by Delphinus

It was a joke, Cusp.

Oh... Uh... I knew that. I was just joking too. Yeah, that's the ticket...

Okay... so why won't they release the actual experimental data?

According to the source article that the links posted in this thread summarize (which can be found here), Sako reported his results in a presentation in Vegas in 1997. I poked around and found the abstract for his presentation:

Challenging an Unknown Information System

Yoichiro Sako
ESPER Laboratory, Sony Corporation

As the 21st century draws nearer, we can see that society's materialistic values, fostered in many respects by modern science and technology, have become outdated and unworthy. It is clear that we have come to another turning point in history and science. What we require to meet the challenges of these unpredictable and confusing times is a new paradigm to guide a new age. I believe that the key to this new paradigm lies in the research of biological, mental, and spiritual phenomena such as "Qi" and other psychic powers that have been overlooked by modern scientists. I am going to reexamine the fundamentals of the present science-technology system, and at the same time pursue in earnest these phenomena to verify their existence.

Today, I report the outline of my research and actual experiments into such areas as clairvoyance beyond five senses, where subjects can perceive letters or drawings written on a sheet of paper which was rolled up or folded and placed in their hand or ear. Through the results of these experiments, I prove that this type of clairvoyance does indeed exist, and point out the existence of an unknown information system. I think that the results of my research could help bring about a significant revolution that might force our materialistic society to turn around, and concurrently reform the ways of modern science and technology.

Those are some bold claims, so where's the data to back them up? In short, there is none. At least, if there is, ESPER never bothered to publish it -- which means no peer review, and no discussion outside of that Vegas meeting room. And if you read original article I linked to above, written by a sympathetic journalist who attended the meeting, it's clear to see that the presentation was slightly suspect, to say the least.

"We found out experimentally that ESP exists, but that any practical application of this knowledge is not likely in the foreseeable future."
That's one way to spin it. Another way to spin it is "We found absolutely nothing, but we didn't want to tell our bosses that we wasted 8 years and god-knows-how-much money for no payoff."

No practical application? Please. Even if we're willing to accept this claim (which is dubious), the sheer scientific implications of these results would at least warrant publication, don't you think? Sako says in his presentation, "I think Sony's spirit is making dreams rather than making money." And then he turns around and says that they didn't bother to publish their results because it wasn't marketable? Give me a break.

Another interesting thing to point out is that the lab was closed without hesitation after Masaru Ibuka, "the Sony founding father who blessed the founding of ESPER," passed away. It's not hard to imagine that the only reason the lab came into existence and stayed in operation for 8 years was to satisfy the curiosity of Sony's eccentric founder -- not to actually produce meaningful results.

I challenge Sony and the ex-ESPER scientists to release their experimental data so that other labs across the world may attempt to replicate it. If they can replicate it, there is something to the claim. If not, then it's just another case of people with an agenda fudging the data. We saw this same thing over a decade ago with homeopathy. A lab in France caught the eye of the scientific community by publishing some really interesting studies demonstrating the apparent efficacy of homeopathy -- but there was a problem with replicating the results. Upon closer scrutiny, it was discovered that one of the lab workers had been cherry-picking data to support her belief in homeopathic medicine. And people accuse mainstream scientists of having an agenda

Sony isn't out to champion this cause, they have a public image to protect. Doing so would leave them open to attack from any number of rabid skeptics, which in the end would damage their reputation and undermine profits.