then you didnt understand my argument |
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No. |
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Last edited by DuB; 06-27-2009 at 10:12 PM. Reason: merged triple post
Lucid Dreams:-
MILD/DILD: 79
WILD: 13
DEILD:13
(TOTAL: 108 )
then you didnt understand my argument |
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Off topic for a second... Moonshine, for the love of all that is holy, learn to use the Edit button. |
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Bollocks.
Contrary to what most have said, no, AP and OBE isn't some kind of lucid dream, the techniques are equal to it, but it isn't lucid dreaming. |
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Last edited by LucidFlanders; 06-30-2009 at 02:22 AM.
Good theory. When trying to WILD I feel as if Im in a slight OBE and see things with my eyes closed, like my room. |
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stop trying to dox me. your getting no where.
I've had mindblowing WILD experiences where I felt myself rise out of my body, float up through the ceiling then hover in a void looking at a crystal blue light show. Which ultimately led into a very typical lucid. |
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Lucid Dreams:-
MILD/DILD: 79
WILD: 13
DEILD:13
(TOTAL: 108 )
Exactly, this made me think again of the neuromatrix theory, which makes sense when you realise that in dreams, we also have a dream body generated by some internal process, which might well be this forementionned neuromatrix. Switching from external sensory input to this internal mode while being conscious (like during WILD, and OBE), might give the false (but highly acurate and convincing!) impression we are actually leaving our physical bodies. |
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I'm a BUG. Beyond Uber God.
It's quite simple. You experience totally different things in both experiences. Differences that are so substantial that it's very hard to miss them. I've had a FA where I thought I was AP and it didn't feel anything like an OBE. I still felt my body on me bed just like a LD. Contrary to this, every-time I project out of my body, it happens in real time where I can see my surroundings but I can't interact with the environment like in waking life or a dream. |
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Last edited by User; 08-01-2009 at 08:01 AM.
Dreams are wildly different experiences. |
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Lucid Dreams:-
MILD/DILD: 79
WILD: 13
DEILD:13
(TOTAL: 108 )
What are those substantial differences that can't be missed? As somebody who experiences both OBEs and lucid dreams I'm always interested in the differences that I myself can't find. |
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I've been into OBE's a a year before starting on LD's (without any succes with the OBEs ) I read on "astralsociety.us" about some people doing experiments with their OBEs to check if they were really in the "Real time zone" or in a dream-environment. One of the experiments would be to take a random card (poker-card/Gambling-card what is it called in english?) out of the stack and without looking at it placing it on a book-shelf above head-height - the following night while having an OBE the person would float up and look at the card and see the exact color/number - after waking up you could easily go to see if they actually were in the "Real time zone" or were "only" dreaming. |
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They "claim" to have a high success rate. |
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Last edited by moonshine; 08-01-2009 at 06:11 PM.
Lucid Dreams:-
MILD/DILD: 79
WILD: 13
DEILD:13
(TOTAL: 108 )
Yes people wants to believe and they are believing in astral-projection - you, Moonshine" are believing in Lucid Dreams -so you colour everything with a Lucid Dreaming brush. You have to have an open mind, but off course you need to be skeptical and don't rush into believing anything/everything. |
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Last edited by TJuulsgaard; 08-02-2009 at 10:13 AM.
You're talking as if the two are equal and opposite. They're simply not. |
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Lucid Dreams:-
MILD/DILD: 79
WILD: 13
DEILD:13
(TOTAL: 108 )
To have a conscious OBE you have to go through the same SP-process as when WILD'ing - so it depends on which way you look at it - even if it is the same symptoms doesn't mean that the outcome couldn't be different. |
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the problem with these arguments is all the same.......your definitions |
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One confirmed case in controlled conditions from a legitimate source. Thats |
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Lucid Dreams:-
MILD/DILD: 79
WILD: 13
DEILD:13
(TOTAL: 108 )
Juroara, |
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Last edited by moonshine; 08-02-2009 at 06:00 PM.
Lucid Dreams:-
MILD/DILD: 79
WILD: 13
DEILD:13
(TOTAL: 108 )
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Lucid Dreams:-
MILD/DILD: 79
WILD: 13
DEILD:13
(TOTAL: 108 )
People trust scientists like gods. We learn at school what they discovered as dogmas and never question them, their authority (even if invisible) can't be greater than now. If they said something is real and provided proof, I'm sure there'd be no big problem with believing it, given enough media coverage. An initial shock maybe, but it would wear off. |
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All comments coming from everybody makes perfectly good sense - the question all comes down to personal experiences and belief-systems - lets not start a war - but agree on disagreeing to some extent (I like a nice discussion) |
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