Originally Posted by Supernova
That's not at all what I'm saying. Sure he could be lying. The main reason I'm trying to have a shared dream is still to prove to myself that it is possible.
But the fact that it could be false it in no way any reason to write it off as one big lie.
He's not the only one here that does shared dreaming either. Isn't MoSh into it too? Would he lie about it?
Since Nomad's shared dreaming tutorial, a number of us, myself included have become interested in shared dreaming.. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.
I'm not writing it off as one big lie, and perhaps I misunderstood your intentions with that post, but to be fair, it came across as dismissive and laced with apathy. If that wasn't your intention, I apoligise for misunderstanding you, but would suggest you may be a bit more specific next time around.
I've always been into the idea of shared dreaming, i've had a couple of unusual seemingly shared dreams in the past, so I'm aware that the experience of a shared dream can certainly feel convincing, what the explanation for the experience is, remains a mystery. The only way to demystify it is to have solid examples of the genuine sharing of information that couldn't be known by the other party.
A shared dream scene, theme, or script, whilst a convincing experience to those involved, could easily be the result of something other than a genuine meeting of minds in the dreamstate.
If for example, Nomad or another self proclaimed shared dreamer, could share a dream with say, myself, and in that dream I were to give Nomad my bank PIN number, and then the next day on the forum, he were able to provide that number... that would be a compelling bit of data in favour of a genuine shared experience. If that could then be repeated successfully under conditions which rule out foul play, then the evidence would start to become pretty solid indeed. At which point, you'd be able to revolutionise modern science and theories of the consciousness, probably making a great career for yourself, whilst at the same time educating and improving the world we live in. Not something to be sniffed at!
What many people seem to totally misjudge about me, is that I do not play devils advocate with the intention of being a spoil sport. I do it, because like many of you, i would love to believe, I would love such things to be true. By asking hard questions, and requesting verifiable proofs of claims, i'm not looking to be a pain in the arse, I'm looking for someone to offer something compelling in FAVOUR of shared dreaming. If someone can offer evidence, I would be the very first person, to jump in at the deep end of the subject, and dedicate my life to learning more about it. It wouldn't be just some curiosity for me on a forum, it would be something that would be revolutionary in the world, and utterly worth exploring in total depth and dedication.
BUT in the same way that I don't vote for a political party, without finding out as much about them and their competition... i see no reason why asking hard questions, getting as much information as possible, is a bad thing.
If this is REAL it is utterly utterly AMAZING and needs to be explored fully.
If it is not, then it is a huge waste of time and energy, both of which us mortal humans don't have much of, so it is a precious commodity, not to be wasted.
So with such high stakes, I really wish people would consider more often being the devils advocate, to keep pushing for more and more solid evidence. If the phenomena is real, then it shouldn't be a problem, the truth should not be effected one bit by difficult questions, in fact the truth should embrace them, because it reveals itself more fully when pushed hard.
Difficult questions are the friend of truth and the enemy of lies.
So when people get defensive, when you start asking difficult questions, that is a worrying signal, it makes you wonder if they genuinely believe the claims they are making.
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