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Thanks going back to bed now. Hopefully I have more news in the morning =D Good night!

Woo! Congrats.

Oooh okay then, in a way, I feel this can be a useful asset for dream stabilization, since like you said that it's for expanding your consciousness.

Thanks for the link as well, going to read on it later on.

He sais that there are different zones, planes or focus when it comes to astral projection, although Frank use the term zones.
And he describes lucid dreaming as one of these zones, so this is not just how to lucid dream, this is how to expand your consciousnes.
I am really happy that I found this PDF it was like reading about your own attempts, but in the future :)

Here it is, if anybody is interested: [url]http://www3.sympatico.ca/xanth18/FranksPosts.pdf[/url] written by Xanth from the Astral Pulse forum.

This is an amazing read, I loved this! I also find that just doing things naturally and finding that switch is the best thing for me to do. Thanks for posting this, this really gives me a little boost with projection!

Awesome! You have to tell me about it = ) I'll send you a PM!

This technique really works. At least for me.
I had my first WILD, and it was a pretty long, stable, and vivid one. Thank you, Choi.

That sounds like fun. I never think to do reality checks, I just go with it. :T My sleep paralysis hallucinations are almost entirely visual though, at least when I wake up into it. The other night I saw one of my pillows with piano keys all over it. It's weird stuff.

Haha I would love to experience a hallucination like that! I never experience visual hallucinations, but I can hear some really weird sounds if I wake up after a dream in the middle of the night. And to test if this is a dream or a waking sleep paralysis hallucination I try to control the hallucination.
I learned that from Radugas books. If I hear a sound I try to imagine a sound I want to hear, and if I am somehow are able to change the hallucination I know that I am in a dreambed and I can just get up.

Whenever I have sleep paralysis when waking up I'm just extremely confused.... I hear lots of people say that they feel like they just can't move whatsoever, but that's not how it is for me. I'm always able to move for a second or two but it feels really weird, and then I snap back to where I was before. I'm also hallucinating a lot, but in really weird ways. My eyes are almost always open so the input it really confusing too. One time I woke up into it and heard a girl sigh and felt someone move in my bed, so I shot up and saw her there, and she grabbed me and tried to tell me that she was my sister from an alternate dimension, but I pulled back and she wouldn't let go so she got yanked off my bed and that caused me to topple over with her, and she climbed on top of me and started melting. Along with her the rest of the hallucinations melted away and I realized I was sitting up in bed.

I've had multiple waking sleep paralysis experiences before getting into lucid dreaming, they're aren't pretty

Well I've experienced sleep paralysis before, just not before successfully WILDing. It happens to me every now and then when I wake up. I also had it once when falling asleep once before I knew what WILD was and it kind of freaked me out and I moved. :T Usually though when I meditate I can get into the same thing Choi's friend described, with the reduced sensation of breathing and the bright light. I can make that happen almost any time of the day, but I have some natural anxiety and if I take it too far it can bring that out too much. I don't try to do it anymore because of that, but it could probably work if I was exhausted enough....

Also, having done some research, after 7 hours sleep REM periods can last 45-60 minutes, and that's not taking into account that you can dream in Non-REM too. I get 9 hours sleep on a good night and for a while I did WBTB targeting the last sleep cycle of the night with pretty good results, and if you've already slept over 7 hours it doesn't feel so sore getting up in the night and you don't have a feeling of losing loads of sleep

"Yeah, but don't look for sleep paralysis, that comes when you start to dream. So you will still be able to move even though you will feel numb."
This is true, proper REM atonia before dream entry is rare when WILDing and probably reserved for those few 'natural' WILDers who have some kind of predisposition towards it.

"Yeah I heard from Michael Raduga that REM only last for 15-20 minutes, but I refuse to believe it haha."
Don't believe it. In fact, take more or less everything Raduga says with a pinch of salt, he offers a useful framework for DEILD/WILD, but he's basically winging it in terms of hard facts. Towards the morning, sleep cycles can be composed almost entirely of REM, I believe. Nina would be a good person to go to, she seems to know everything there is to know about the physiology of sleep.

Also, why not just try this exact thing, but after 4-6 hours sleep? Easier? Yes. Longer REM? Yes. Just because doing it at bedtime works for your friend doesn't mean it's the right way of going about it, he was none-the-wiser to lucid dreaming after all and doesn't have the benefit of our knowledge of sleep cycles. In fact, you should tell him to wake himself up during the night and do this then, see what happens

Yeah, but don't look for sleep paralysis, that comes when you start to dream. So you will still be able to move even though you will feel numb.

I know this because the body will send out signal to make you move as you might now. Usually my nose starts to itch really much and before I learned to ignore this I allways moved when this happend. And that itching means for me that I am only seconds away from feeling my body dissapear. Ok maybe that is the paralysis, but I would not try to move to find out ^^

Haha, I look forward to hearing your results. I think I'm going to try to work that exercise plan into my routine somehow. I want to use as much possible to raise my chances! Of course, I've only had one WILD before and it was by accident and bypassed any conscious sleep paralysis, so... I may need to improve that first too before I'll see much success.

Ok that's true, but now when I might know a frequent way to lucid dream, my new goal can be to spread the information.

Let's start a new religion ! Haha. Ok I am a little over confident now, but I am so d*mn excited, if it works tonight I will tell you tomorrow.

Ok it's not going to work just like that it takes pracctise, but I hope that I am ready for it.

Some people just aren't interested in lucid dreaming. Can't blame 'em for having a different set of interests....

Yeah I heard from Michael Raduga that REM only last for 15-20 minutes, but I refuse to believe it haha.
Anyway I have done everything in my power to convince my friend ...

Yeah Sleep Yoga :) Indeed it is!