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    Trouble with Dream Control

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    Lokoloi
    , 05-11-2022 at 01:12 AM (422 Views)
    Another lucid, another entry.

    I awoke in the middle of the night. Usually, I go about it by getting out of my bed, maybe drinking some water, and going back to bed to do the attempt. This time though, I didn't really feel like doing all of that. I decided to try something new. I'm sure you've felt very drowsy after waking up; so drowsy that you can barely open your eyes and have to try really hard to do so. I was in this state. I resolved to at least fully open my eyes, since I wasn't going to get up. Turns out, that was the perfect amount of awareness I needed. The moment my eyes were fully open, I laid down and closed them again. I did my relaxation breaths, and began saying my mantra. Almost immediately, I was going into a dream. If you guys have ever seen the new Moon Knight show, then the transition from wakefulness to dreaming was like when the main character blacks out.

    The dream, like the last 7, was less than ideal. After I got up, it was so real that I had to check to see if I was dreaming. I kicked a nearby radiator, and I didn't feel any pain. Right now I'm unable to describe it well. It was vivid, but also not vivid. I still did not feel like I was fully in the dream world, but the dream world itself was clear.

    So, I recalled back to when I kept reading these stories where people just shout "Stabilize" or something like that and it works. I thought stabilization was based on sensory input so I wasn't really sure it would work, but I was open to the possibility since anything is possible within a dream. So, last night, I tried something similar. I said, "Ok, Dream. When I snap my fingers, I want you to stabilize. I want this dream to be as clear and as Vivid as possible, OK? 3,2,1..." I snapped, and nothing changed. I snapped again, and still nothing. The dream ended shorty thereafter.

    For reasons I don't think I've made clear here, I think i'm rushing. It used to be because I was racing to try and stabilize the dream before it ended, of course to no avail. I'm rushing now because I just want to get it over with so I can do cool things in my dream. I've got to take it much slower than I am, I think.

    Still, it is kind of frustrating. I have problems with dream control despite believing in myself. I thought that was all you needed. Even once I got past the stabilization hurdle, I want to summon something, but I've never been able to do it. I've controlled the dream before. In a lucid a while back, I was flying. After I landed, I couldn't summon anything. In my first lucid ever, I tried to summon something but again, nothing worked. It seems like that action in particular is where I'm having problems, but to be fair, I haven't tried much else. The only other thing is stabilization, but is that dream control or just stimulating my senses? I guess now that I think of it, I don't really know what it means to stabilize. I guess it means to stimulate as many senses as possible to boost your presence in the dream.

    Well in any case, commanding the dream to stabilize didn't work last night, so I guess I'll try touching stuff and rubbing my hands together. Maybe I'll stretch or spin around. I wonder if exercise works. Anyway, after that, I'll try and find a dream character so I can talk to my subconscious about where my mental block is. Maybe then I can finally get some dream control. I should probably take my time too; maybe then I'll actually get a dream that lasts longer than 2 minutes.

    I think I have to treat this as the beginning of my journey. I'm getting frustrated because I've been at this for years now, but It's only the last 3 months where I've actually learned anything. It was then that WILD finally clicked for me, and I was able to use it to get consistent Lucid dreams. Maybe acting as if I only started learning how to lucid dream 3 months ago will help reduce frustration.

    **As for the blue guy that showed up to make me lucid a couple weeks ago, (I named him Azure) He has yet to appear since then. Sad
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    Updated 05-11-2022 at 01:17 AM by 96394

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    1. lerpk's Avatar
      This is very similar to a lot of my lucid experiences. I agree that a lot of what you're describing is more advanced stuff that takes time to get down with any success.

      I've found that grabbing onto something nearby is a good way to ground myself and stabilize the dream. Every time I do a reality check and get lucid, I experience an intense rushing sensation all over, like I'm being pulled out of my dream. Every time. But grabbing onto any object has helped a lot with that for me. Spinning, I've found, has not worked for me, but I have read several times that it works for people. There is a fine balance between getting lucid and maintaining lucidity. It takes a lot of practice to stay lucid for longer lengths of time. Rubbing my hands and repeatedly reminding myself that I'm dreaming have been helpful to me.

      I would try scaling back what you want to accomplish in an LD first. Becoming aware of and maintaining a solid lucid state builds a good foundation on which to work up to doing more advanced stuff. For me, that would include flying, summoning, asking the dream to do things, etc. I know a lot of experienced LDers would put that in the basic category, but it really does take time and practice to get good at those. Developing confidence and unyielding will-power go a long way with accomplishing goals. Good luck!
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    2. DarkestDarkness's Avatar
      I think it's a good thing that you've already reflected on a lot of points regarding how you feel you're handling things. I don't have much to contribute in the way of stabilisation or grounding in the dream because I don't have enough experience to speak of, but I always liked rubbing my hands together whenever I could recall to do so.

      With regards to summons, some people suggest trying to think or visualise it for a couple of seconds before actually attempting it, or doing it in such a way that it becomes revealed to you, such as by turning around or opening something where the summoned thing could be inside. Basically something that lets the thing sort of sink in, in a sense.

      As for talking to a dream character about finding a subconscious reason/mental block, in principle there's nothing wrong with this idea, only, bear in mind that sometimes dream characters do say very odd or nonsensical things; that's not to say it would be irrelevant, just that at minimum it might not make the most sense in the way a waking (lucid) mind might think. Personally I think dream characters are a bit like any other internalised content; they are like thoughts to a degree, and just as we get passing thoughts, unrelated dream characters may be "passing" in that sense too. So if you did decide to ask a character about something like this, be sure to actually try to ask more than just one character if possible. It's also worth considering here that anything that can pass a message or communicate in some sense, such as a street sign, a billboard, a TV or a computer screen, can effectively be regarded as a dream character for the purpose of communication.
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