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    Going Forward

    by , 08-05-2013 at 07:53 PM (883 Views)
    Date: 5th Aug

    Total sleep time: 7 hrs<

    Pre bed: Calcium&Magn, 100mg B6

    Natural wakes: 6x, vivid dreams after each, lazy to record, also mislaid notebook

    Early dream(+3 hrs?): a memory of a lucid, where I didn't do anything in particular? We were gathered on street around a fountain/pillar?

    Dream: An emotional personal dream with a rather unpleasant outcome. Sadness and anger.

    Dream: Sitting on the table of a local cafe. My high school classmates smoke cigarette after cigarette. I am thinking about that, blowing out clean air in front of me.

    Dream: A bit like a FA, or was it a dream, this was more hearing the dream than seeing it. Mom is talking with dad that she regrets not noticing the details of her dream, because this is the third time she actually has a lucid.

    LD: After trying to fall asleep for a while after the natural wake, I catch myself in the midst of a dreamlet. I see my bf already in the dream on the street, but I am still there more of a side spectator than an in-dream presence. My bf starts doing repetitive movements with his hands as if he is entering the dream as well. I concentrate and soon my hands and body appear in the dream. I have a little trouble moving, feel my body slightly paralyzed, but am relaxed about it and just wait. Bf gives me a hand and pulls me closer, which helps me become more solid. He is very friendly and nicer than most of his DC appearances and I wonder whether this could be a shared dream. I walk on the street for a bit, but things destabilize, then the dream is possibly back again. Memory gap?

    I have no idea what happened but now am on the roof floor of a building with lots of kids around. I think I lost my lucidity or am quite distracted at this point. The kids are playing with two balloons, one red and one blue, and I am getting closer to the edge of the building as they almost throw one of the balloons too far. I have worries about falling down. Then I go over one of the kids and tell her to turn off/change the music. Here I regain my lucidity as I try to go down while I get a strange fear of heights. I conclude that when people feel this fear they enter a similar to the dream state while awake. Some sort of exaggerated anxiety mood.

    I am now one floor below, with my bf and a number of DCs next to me. I decide to ask my bf about the meaning of life. Again, he looks more like himself here. At first he answers something about "going forward", which I very much like. I tell him to repeat it again but instead he says "I like going back and forward" and then blurts out "Money". This disappoints me a bit. I want to get more and better answers so ask another DC. This guy looks falsely familiar and initially gives me the impression I might have encountered a real dreamer as he begins to ponder the question. But then he just keeps repeating "mmm" and "mmmhum" and doesn't say anything. I am annoyed and feel the dream is slipping away as I have been waiting too long. The dream stops but instead of going through the void, I lose consciousness. It takes maybe about 10 seconds and I am back in the dream.

    I was in some sort of a corridor before and now I go into the next room where there are a lot of DCs from my class. I want to ask once again, so I organize those DCs which are now around 20 to gather in front of me as if I am about to take a picture of them. I then make an intro and ask them what the meaning of life is. Lots of my classmates raise hands and I select K. who is smiling to answer. She starts a long speech about happiness. She doesn't say anything exciting, just tells me about her life. I have no more interest in getting the question answered. I then address the whole class and ask them if they know what a lucid dream is and if they have had one. A few try to say something, but it is really hard to concentrate as there are too many DCs in the room. I tell them that this is a lucid dream, but then begin to worry that I might actually be having a shared dream with someone and they might think I am crazy. I leave them to talk with one another. I lose consciousness again, the dream is back in a few seconds. (no void)

    I am trying to think of more tasks when I see this pretty Asian girl maybe around 20 years old. I start having distracting side thoughts and want to get close to her but she looks scared and tries to run away. I relax a bit and so does she. She lies on my lap as I marvel her beautiful hair and caress her. When she stands up, I notice she is wearing a knee-length dress. I know it is a bad idea to do it temptation-wise, but I just can't resist and start licking her leg. (Yes, I have a problem!) I notice how super real her leg looks, feels and tastes (a bit salty). I am still considering whether I should fully indulge or try to remember and do other tasks, when the dream suddenly ends.
    I stay still, but am too wakeful to DEILD or fall asleep.

    Comments: I did some quick reading related to neurotransmitters and noticed that B6 plays a role in the synthesis of five: serotonin, dopamine, epinephrine, norepinephrine and GABA. So, after the intake of B6 it is likely that my levels of these increase.The usual effects for me are earlier onset of memorable dreams (today first wake was at plus 3hrs), emotionally loaded dream contents (often aggressive DCs, sometimes me running away, i.e. fight or flight response, also some sexy moments), reduced sleepiness/increased alertness. After thinking about the effects, it looks like one neurotransmitter receives a significant boost and influences the overall mood of the dream - dopamine. I feel that this information finally coming to my attention is important as it increases my understanding of dream intensity and may help me eventually achieve better control during lds.

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    Comments

    1. CanisLucidus's Avatar
      Cool dream, Nyx, nice! The part at the beginning where your boyfriend was in there waving his arms around like he was trying to WILD or DEILD or something was cool. How familiar is he with LD techs, BTW?

      Congratulations of course on Task of the Month! I'm glad that I finally learned that the meaning of life is "Money!!" You certainly went above and beyond on this one by organizing your class into an entire interview. That's quite a scene to manage and showed very nice dream control. As you mention dopamine further down, this strong dream control is helped along by dopamine.

      While we're talking dopamine, higher levels of dopamine in the brain might have made the pretty (but salty) young lady even more distracting than usual, too!

      And like you said, B6 is involved in the production of so many different neurotransmitters. This is what makes B6 such an interesting supplement and so hard to classify. Some people get really vivid dreams, some people become lucid more easily, and some people feel no effect at all!
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    2. Xanous's Avatar
      Nice LD! You know, I was going to opt out of the TOTM this time but I just love jacking with DCs like this. I'll have to go for that one at least.

      I'm glad you posted info on B6. I use it occasionally. It seems like a great trigger for a while but gradually started working less and less. Though the vividness is usually there if I am not too tired. That seems like a major block for me especially since I started this evil overtime with no end in sight!
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    3. NyxCC's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by CanisLucidis
      Cool dream, Nyx, nice! The part at the beginning where your boyfriend was in there waving his arms around like he was trying to WILD or DEILD or something was cool. How familiar is he with LD techs, BTW?
      Thanks! I liked that part too. I was very happy his DC was so helpful. Sometimes his DC gets a bit creepy, especially when I can with certainty identify that it's not really him. But that night he was the perfect gentleman. I also just realized that he has helped me for 3 basic TOTMs!

      He only passively receives info about ld as I ramble during the day and try to share my experiences. He doesn't know the technical part of how to ld. (I sometimes feel that I don't either, lol!) I find it hard to explain, especially to someone who's....not sure what to expect. I don't have a clue if he ever had an ld or not. I assume he has had some, but just doesn't put an emphasis on dreams like some of us do. I am not a good salesperson, so my best bet is to wait. And while I wait for his ld, I'm gonna polish my skills as much as possible.

      Quote Originally Posted by Canislucidis
      That's quite a scene to manage and showed very nice dream control. As you mention dopamine further down, this strong dream control is helped along by dopamine.

      While we're talking dopamine, higher levels of dopamine in the brain might have made the pretty (but salty) young lady even more distracting than usual, too!
      I know you have have been talking about dopamine since forever, but for some reason this info, and especially the B6- dopamine connection, and dopamine- my actions in dreams connection is just reaching my mind right now. I feel I am scratching the surface of something important (at least for me), yet I am not quite there yet. Very interesting. I have to go back and look at some entries from this perspective and do more research in the future.

      Also, one thing that fascinates me is that even if you don't take any supps, your brain should be able to produce dopamine on the spot and help you with dream control. Just you have to be on the lookout for too much excitement and pretty DCs!

      Quote Originally Posted by Xanous
      Nice LD! You know, I was going to opt out of the TOTM this time but I just love jacking with DCs like this. I'll have to go for that one at least.
      Thanks! Yes, I was thinking the same more or less, but you never know in what mood you will be in your lds or what task you might remember. I also want to concentrate more on TOTY from now on, I just have to work on my prospective memory a bit. As for TOTM, I think asking for the meaning of life is really cool and can't wait to see the answers everyone gets. Well done taking advantage of the situation and asking the DC!

      Quote Originally Posted by Xanous
      I'm glad you posted info on B6. I use it occasionally. It seems like a great trigger for a while but gradually started working less and less. Though the vividness is usually there if I am not too tired. That seems like a major block for me especially since I started this evil overtime with no end in sight
      You are welcome! I've always had a strange relationship with B6. It usually doesn't give me a very pleasant set of dreams (unless I intervene) but provides me with a vividness I can't resist. I significantly reduced its intake after I finally figured out it was causing too emotional dreams and some morning mood irritation helped by real life anxiety factors. Yet, I have come back to it, as it seems to provide me the so much needed extra wakefulness plus very good vividness.

      I understand what you mean about gradually starting to work less and less. I have experienced this with lots of supps including melatonin, and 5 HTP, and SJW. Recently, these just make me feel very sleepy and even if I get a rebound I am still too asleep to make it to an ld. Taking a break from a supp is always a good idea. You guys are much more experienced on the topic, and I am sure you already know what to do. Anyways, my thinking is putting the supps into different categories depending on the mechanism if known, and then alternating these with enough time between trials. I sometimes feel that I am running out of combos, but yeah, I think this should make for a good system.

      I'm sorry to hear about the evil overtime. I hope this is just a temporary phase and you will get back to your previous schedule soon. Lots of energy to you!

      PS: Sorry if there are typos/unclear explantions but got to go!
      Updated 08-06-2013 at 07:55 PM by NyxCC
    4. CanisLucidus's Avatar
      I don't have a clue if he ever had an ld or not. I assume he has had some, but just doesn't put an emphasis on dreams like some of us do. I am not a good salesperson, so my best bet is to wait. And while I wait for his ld, I'm gonna polish my skills as much as possible.
      I'm no good at the sales thing either! Wife just cannot grasp why I would do this sort of thing. Because of that, I have to think that she has never had an extended lucid dream, certainly not one that she remembers. She'll tell me about her dreams sometimes but I don't think they strike her as particularly vivid.

      As we know, that's a skill you can train... but it's not easy to convince someone to "train" something they are not interested in.

      I know you have have been talking about dopamine since forever, but for some reason this info, and especially the B6- dopamine connection, and dopamine- my actions in dreams connection is just reaching my mind right now. I feel I am scratching the surface of something important (at least for me), yet I am not quite there yet. Very interesting. I have to go back and look at some entries from this perspective and do more research in the future.
      Great, I'll be interested in any thoughts on what you find! You keep good records, and that is going to pay off here.
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    5. Highlander's Avatar
      I notice how super real her leg looks, feels and tastes (a bit salty).
      Mmm, bacon!

      Congrats. on the excellent LD and acheiving TOTM.
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    6. NyxCC's Avatar
      Thanks!

      Mmm, bacon!
      Lol!
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