Progress night of 11/20 |
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Thanks for clearing this up. This is pretty much what I thought. most of my recall is very detailed single scene occurrences, or non-linear mis-mashes of scenes that convey a "story". These pretty much straddle the line between fragment and full dream, with a tilt toward full dream. Complex, linear "plots" are less common, but those are the most enjoyable to recall. Thanks for your continued input and support. My next lucid is right around the corner! |
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My aspirations for dreaming:
May I always use the dream state to develop positive, virtuous qualities that will bring benefit to all beings!
May I always recognize the dream state and use it to develop wisdom, love, and compassion!
Progress night of 11/20 |
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My aspirations for dreaming:
May I always use the dream state to develop positive, virtuous qualities that will bring benefit to all beings!
May I always recognize the dream state and use it to develop wisdom, love, and compassion!
Progress Friday 11/21, Saturday 11/22, and Sunday 11/23 |
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My aspirations for dreaming:
May I always use the dream state to develop positive, virtuous qualities that will bring benefit to all beings!
May I always recognize the dream state and use it to develop wisdom, love, and compassion!
Keep up the good work and try not to worry about missing the dream signs. I am a believer in putting dream signs to work for you and I have put them to work for me off and on but sometimes your awareness or memory just are not working in your favor. I, not too long ago, saw the word "lucid" in a dream and didn't become lucid. |
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Something important for every newbie: http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...-read-imo.html
Listen while you work or before bed? http://www.dreamviews.com/dreamviews-podcast/
More great audio: http://www.dreamviews.com/dreamviews-audio/
My lucid dreaming journey: http://www.dreamviews.com/members/fo...boutme#aboutme
Progress 11/23-11/30 |
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My aspirations for dreaming:
May I always use the dream state to develop positive, virtuous qualities that will bring benefit to all beings!
May I always recognize the dream state and use it to develop wisdom, love, and compassion!
I am happy to hear that you are keeping up with your day practices. It sounds like that longer wbtb on the 3rd night may be the reason for the stronger results that night. Everyone is different, so this is very useful info and of course further experimentation will tell you more. |
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Something important for every newbie: http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...-read-imo.html
Listen while you work or before bed? http://www.dreamviews.com/dreamviews-podcast/
More great audio: http://www.dreamviews.com/dreamviews-audio/
My lucid dreaming journey: http://www.dreamviews.com/members/fo...boutme#aboutme
I agree with your assessment of the longer WBTB. I have plans of utilizing this this weekend and making on my upcoming break from work. In general I feel as though WBTB of some duration is very essential to lucidity for me. I am currently utilizing the glass of water method for very short wake ups in the middle of the night during the work week. |
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My aspirations for dreaming:
May I always use the dream state to develop positive, virtuous qualities that will bring benefit to all beings!
May I always recognize the dream state and use it to develop wisdom, love, and compassion!
Daytime practice was good although perhaps something left to be desired owing to being raggedly tired from a poor night's sleep on Sunday. Lights out at 11:00, up at 5:55. Very poor recall, only a hazy fragment of 3 sentences in the journal. I feel like my sleep schedule is not ideal as my wake up time is in the middle of a cycle, not near the end when REM prominent. Pushing wake up back to 5:00 is less than desirable as this is getting me in to the <6 hrs. of sleep range, and pushing it up to 6:30 is not tenable due to morning schedule. This has been an ongoing issue. |
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My aspirations for dreaming:
May I always use the dream state to develop positive, virtuous qualities that will bring benefit to all beings!
May I always recognize the dream state and use it to develop wisdom, love, and compassion!
Yes finding the sweet spot for sleep is important. If you can move your lights out time earlier, do that, and see how it goes. More time to sleep is more time to dream, and those later REM cycles are the particularly juicy ones (although I did have a really long, vivid dream between the 4th and 5th hour last night myself, but that's a bit unusual for me). |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
In the last 30 days I logged 20 "dreams", 17 "fragments", and 2 LDS. |
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My aspirations for dreaming:
May I always use the dream state to develop positive, virtuous qualities that will bring benefit to all beings!
May I always recognize the dream state and use it to develop wisdom, love, and compassion!
^I like the goals! I will let the recall king FryingMan address if he thinks you might want to up your recall goal but I saw what you said about that. Also, what he said about experimenting is true. It sounds like you have addressed the downside to the longer WBTB's by delaying the longer ones to the weekend. That is what I did early on. Again, everyone is different, but in my early and middle experiences longer WBTB's corresponded to significantly increased chances of LD's. This assumes that you have time to not worry about getting back to sleep (like weekends) and are able to get back to sleep of course. |
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Something important for every newbie: http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...-read-imo.html
Listen while you work or before bed? http://www.dreamviews.com/dreamviews-podcast/
More great audio: http://www.dreamviews.com/dreamviews-audio/
My lucid dreaming journey: http://www.dreamviews.com/members/fo...boutme#aboutme
Progress Update Night of 12/2 |
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My aspirations for dreaming:
May I always use the dream state to develop positive, virtuous qualities that will bring benefit to all beings!
May I always recognize the dream state and use it to develop wisdom, love, and compassion!
Well you probably know by now what I'm going to say about recall: you can never have enough. In terms of your goal for recalled dreams I think it's fine, but what I'd like to see is consistent always *trying* for recall, at least a little bit, every single time you find yourself awake, and certainly for the last waking of the night. The effort is more important than (for now) the results. We'll get the absolute numbers up there eventually. And frankly it's quality/length/vividness not quantity. My favorite nights are the "single dream that lasted forever" sort of nights like I had two nights ago. While last night I had a bunch of seemingly unrelated scenes. But regardless, the goal is to accumulate a lot of dream experiences, ultimately to feel like "you're really there" in your dreams most of the time, because that's where the lucidity comes in: when *you* are already there in your dream. Then you just have to remember to notice! |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
Last night I resolved to wake up and remember my dreams, even in the middle of the night. I woke around 4:00 and put effort into recall for at least 15 minutes. Nothing came. Then I resolved to just go back to sleep and try again during the last hour or so of sleep. As I was drifting off a fragment came to me and I tried to trace it back and forward. I was able to elaborate on it a bit, but never to the point I would consider it a dream. The effort put into recall kept me awake and I was unable to fall back asleep for the last cycle. Ah well, another night. I got up and got in some intense morning exercise along with my normal mediation session. Tonite I will have lucid dreams! |
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Last edited by KonchogTashi; 12-04-2014 at 02:44 PM. Reason: messed up quotes
My aspirations for dreaming:
May I always use the dream state to develop positive, virtuous qualities that will bring benefit to all beings!
May I always recognize the dream state and use it to develop wisdom, love, and compassion!
Progress Update Night of 12/3 |
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My aspirations for dreaming:
May I always use the dream state to develop positive, virtuous qualities that will bring benefit to all beings!
May I always recognize the dream state and use it to develop wisdom, love, and compassion!
I would definitely temper the effort you spend on middle of the night recall, at least for now, especially if you have issues falling back asleep. I didn't mean to imply that you *must* notice middle-of-the-night wakings. If you do notice them, that's great, as you can build up a lot more recalled dreams that way. But for now, if it's like pulling teeth just to get a fragment after 15 minutes, I say back off a little. It's important to find your sweet spot. I would recommend starting with just a "quick memory check" -- ask yourself "what was I just dreaming about?" and if nothing comes in about a minute, bail and aim directly back to sleep. If you enjoy spending the time doing recall, then by all means, keep it up. You have to be your own barometer here. The main thing is to always reach for the memory, to associate waking up with remembering dreams -- for now though, make it a quick check. Reserve your 15 minute deep delving for the final waking of the day. Over time, as you gain experience and confidence and ability, spend more time if you find it helps. I usually don't spend a long time on a stubbonly blank mind -- what I spend time on is going over the memories I *do* have, repeatedly, to solidify/cement them, which tends to pull in others. But if I have absolutely nothing and it's the middle of the night, it's right back to sleep for me, especially these days. |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
More great advice. I had a similar experience last night (thursday). I woke early in the morning and could not come up with anything. I only gave it about 5 minutes then back to sleep. I woke up for the final time and had a nice complete dream right there, although I am pretty sure it got killed in progress by my alarm. |
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My aspirations for dreaming:
May I always use the dream state to develop positive, virtuous qualities that will bring benefit to all beings!
May I always recognize the dream state and use it to develop wisdom, love, and compassion!
Progress Update night of 12/04 |
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My aspirations for dreaming:
May I always use the dream state to develop positive, virtuous qualities that will bring benefit to all beings!
May I always recognize the dream state and use it to develop wisdom, love, and compassion!
You have discovered the enemy. We must strive for strong clarity of self-awareness when waking in order to have even half a chance at lucidity when asleep. The fog and dullness of the dream state can be overcome, but it always takes effort and intent. I myself had a really short lucid last night where I started in a party that was so awesome I thought I should check for a dream. I just stood there breathing through my pinched nose, again and again and again, and still couldn't reach any clear conclusions or understand the implications of what was going on. "Can I breathe, actually?" It was a "wake up call" (haha) for me that I must attend to my waking RCs with a clear focused mind when awake in order to set the model for doing the same in dreams. The danger for more veteran dreamers is becoming blase over time about these moments. |
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Last edited by FryingMan; 12-05-2014 at 03:16 PM.
FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
Progress Update Night of 12/05 |
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My aspirations for dreaming:
May I always use the dream state to develop positive, virtuous qualities that will bring benefit to all beings!
May I always recognize the dream state and use it to develop wisdom, love, and compassion!
Excellent! Congratulations. You can really wrack up a serious bunch of dream journal entries that way. Getting up for actual WBTB is a great way to promote lucidity, I'm so happy you had a great night! LOL at all the "Who are you?"'s ! Yes sometimes talking feels like I'm underwater or have a mouth full of cotton. If you remember, you can just "mind talk", the DCs hear you just as well of course! |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
Congrats on the DILD KonchogTashi!! FryingMan has a wealth of knowledge so I am glad that you two are working together to get you to the next level. Funny response from your wife about the alcoholic passed out in your house! |
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My aspirations for dreaming:
May I always use the dream state to develop positive, virtuous qualities that will bring benefit to all beings!
May I always recognize the dream state and use it to develop wisdom, love, and compassion!
Progress Update nights of 12/06 & 12/07 |
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My aspirations for dreaming:
May I always use the dream state to develop positive, virtuous qualities that will bring benefit to all beings!
May I always recognize the dream state and use it to develop wisdom, love, and compassion!
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