DC Removal

[Aurata]

My last lucid dream was ended because of the distraction of some DCs. So I was thinking for the future, would it be a good idea to remove everybody? As in, look at the ground an expect everyone to have disappeared by the time I look up. Alternatively I could try killing them or freezing time. I don't want to risk having a distraction. So what do you think of this idea/have you done it before?

[Klikko]

It certainly is possible, but I myself would find it rather boring

[sh4rkbyt3]

If you don't pay attention to DC's they will disappear.

[Puffin]

I've made DCs disappear like that before, but I find that it can eat up dream time rather quickly. Usually I just ignore them and fly off as soon as I can.

[The Cusp]

Yeah, dealing with DCs is not the best use of lucid time. Instead of dealing with them directly, just ignore them and they won't be a problem anymore.

[Sageous]

Gotta disagree here guys. I've been having my LD's -- especially the full-On-hyper-awareness ones -- disrupted regularly by DC's over the last few months. I've tried everything, including all the stuff listed on this thread, to get them out of my dreams, or perhaps me out of theirs. Nothing works. I think sometimes that DC's who distract to the point of trashing the dream might be doing so for a reason. It might not be a reason I understand -- or even want to know -- but it's still a reason. Aurata, I've been erasing, avoiding, questioning, reconstituting, befriending, and killing invasive DC's for decades, and I've learned that sometimes they are there for a reason that might just eclipse your conscious understanding. Next time you're surrounded by DC's who won't let you be, you might wonder for a moment why they're there, and if there's a lesson imbedded in their annoying presence. Wonder this especially if you tried all the solutions the folks above listed, and they all failed... There might be a reason.

[KidDreamer]

If you think they're there for a reason, why not try just asking them why they're there? If you don't believe they are, then the problem is the fact that you expect them to always distract you, and expectations = reality in dreams. I feel like this problem originates from the thought that "if I lucid dream, my DCs will always distract me." because of continuous experience/repetition rather than an actual problem with the DCs themselves.

[Sageous]

If you think they're there for a reason, why not try just asking them why they're there? If you don't believe they are, then the problem is the fact that you expect them to always distract you, and expectations = reality in dreams. I feel like this problem originates from the thought that "if I lucid dream, my DCs will always distract me." because of continuous experience/repetition rather than an actual problem with the DCs themselves. Been there, done that too. I've asked, interrogated, even wined and dined distracting DC's. This almost always works, but sometimes DC's simply have a presence that cannot be avoided or changed, period. And yes, I carefully see that my expectations do not include thoughts like, "If I lucid dream, then my DC's will always distract me." That is of course critical, and if I "worried (aka established unconscious expectations)" that my DC's would distract, I likely wouldn't be doing anything to deal with them, because expectation has been fulfilled. My point here, I think, is that sometimes distracting DC's might be doing so for a reason that transcends your current understanding of the dream. If nothing can be done to eliminate them, it might be time to stop wondering why you can't eject them from your dream, and to start wondering why they won't leave you alone...

[Aurata]

I had my 4th LD last night! Ended in a few seconds because someone was calling my name, I lost focus and the dream collapsed. All this thinking about unhelpful DCs can't be doing my subconscious much good... If you think they're there for a reason, why not try just asking them why they're there? If you don't believe they are, then the problem is the fact that you expect them to always distract you, and expectations = reality in dreams. I feel like this problem originates from the thought that "if I lucid dream, my DCs will always distract me." because of continuous experience/repetition rather than an actual problem with the DCs themselves. Yes I've suspected this too, KidDreamer. And without as much experience as Sageous on the persistence of irritating DCs, I say that I do agree with you. Sageous, maybe the reason why particular DCs won't leave you alone is because you expect there to be a reason? Of course my experience is pathetic in comparison to yours, but may I humbly add that there are not always reasons or notable interpretations imbedded in dreams. Sometimes it's just whoop whoop. But it could be possible that there is a reason derived from your subconscious mind, I guess. From reading what you have written, I see that you experience DCs that are impossible to avoid, and you now strongly believe that they are impossible to avoid. See a possible connection? No, I'm not questioning what you have said. I trust that you have tried everything, with no subconscious expectations and still no solution. Thank you to all, for your advice.

[Sageous]

I had my 4th LD last night! Ended in a few seconds because someone was calling my name, I lost focus and the dream collapsed. All this thinking about unhelpful DCs can't be doing my subconscious much good... Yes I've suspected this too, KidDreamer. And without as much experience as Sageous on the persistence of irritating DCs, I say that I do agree with you. Sageous, maybe the reason why particular DCs won't leave you alone is because you expect there to be a reason? Of course my experience is pathetic in comparison to yours, but may I humbly add that there are not always reasons or notable interpretations imbedded in dreams. Sometimes it's just whoop whoop. But it could be possible that there is a reason derived from your subconscious mind, I guess. From reading what you have written, I see that you experience DCs that are impossible to avoid, and you now strongly believe that they are impossible to avoid. See a possible connection? No, I'm not questioning what you have said. I trust that you have tried everything, with no subconscious expectations and still no solution. Thank you for your considerate advice, Aurata, and congrats on your LD...I'm sure many more are in the pipeline. Now for a brief broken-record moment: yes, I fully understand that expectation of persistent DC's will certainly create them, and make them persistent. That's why I try to avoid any expectation of them at all, usually with success (though if my expectation is unconscious, well, then it's pretty much unavoidable). I also fully understand that most DC's are fairly meaningless filler or day residue in a dream; I thought I even noted that above. However, as I also said above, perhaps those few persistent exceptions are there for a reason that is currently beyond me. And yes, of course that reason most likely derives from my own unconscious; I just wish it would find a better way top get its point across. Bottom line: I was trying to make a point about DC's that cannot be easily dismissed or ignored. I wasn't trying to discuss any problems I might have. I guess I didn't do a very good job!

[WuChi]

I wonder as well how to get rid of some DC but it never happen even if I turn my back to them don't care about their presence focus on what I suppose do now cause I have bad dream memory to this point that I cant remember my name DC i ignored grab me from behind and there is no option they hold so strong sometimes that I can't make a move... so I hope there will be some better ideas how to quickly disintegrate them without to much distraction

[Mzzkc]

The solution is simple: USE KNIVES AND MURDER ALL THE THINGS!

[Sageous]

The solution is simple: USE KNIVES AND MURDER ALL THE THINGS! Nice. Not the most karmically sound plan I've heard... Let's hope that the dream-sharing guys are wrong, and you're not murdering other people's sociable avatars during your cleanups; that wouldn't make you very popular at the astral plane cocktail parties at all! Oh, and just as an aside, does murdering really work? After all, DV's aren't alive in the first place -- if you murder with disheveled expectation, as happens in dreams, you might wind up being plagued by angry DC zombies!

[WuChi]

from sometime I'm worried that one they something will cracks in the brain and I will start slaughter in Real World

[Mzzkc]

Not the most karmically sound plan I've heard... Let's hope that the dream-sharing guys are wrong, and you're not murdering other people's sociable avatars during your cleanups; that wouldn't make you very popular at the astral plane cocktail parties at all! I've not heard yet one complaint! Tally-ho! Oh, and just as an aside, does murdering really work? After all, DV's aren't alive in the first place -- if you murder with disheveled expectation, as happens in dreams, you might wind up being plagued by angry DC zombies! If only I could be so successful. Normally, I'm just plagued by the echoes of their anguished screams. Makes the lucid sex afterwards somewhat awkward.

[Robot_Butler]

Most of my DCs disappear when I actively ignore them. Some are particularly persistent. If one is in my way, or being especially annoying, I normally just pick them up and throw them out of the dream. Sometimes I will imagine them dissipating into a mist of atoms, like they have exploded on a molecular level. I try not to get into a fighting mindset, because the fight will quickly escalate and take all my attention.

[Cinder]

I think they appear because you're trying to make them disappear.