Thread: Is it possible for a person to control the time of their dream if lucid?

Originally Posted by Graves

Now you're just being silly. By your argument that states that if something feels like something then it is, I'll list an example that counteracts it:

Two people have a 2 hour college lecture. Person A enjoys this topic, person B hates it. For person A, the time flies by in what feels like an hour. For person B, the lecture drags on for what feels like a whole day. The reality was that only 2 hours passed.

I see you missed the "you can't check the time for sure in a dream" part.

Originally Posted by littlezoe

I see you missed the "you can't check the time for sure in a dream" part.

If you ''can't check the time for sure'', why are you trying to argue that dream time is different from real time? By your own words, you have absolutely no way of knowing such a thing.

Originally Posted by Graves

If you ''can't check the time for sure'', why are you trying to argue that dream time is different from real time? By your own words, you have absolutely no way of knowing such a thing.

How would you know it then that it's same as real world time? You have no way to know that either.

Originally Posted by littlezoe

How would you know it then that it's same as real world time? You have no way to know that either.

Originally Posted by Rubens

I read some books from LaBerge and he said something about that.

Our brain is very good in "creating memories", that's why sometimes we are in a dream and feel like we had all a life there, it's cause our brain kinda created some memories to make us believe in that.

He proved that the time in Lucid Dreams (he could prove only in the LDs) is the same of the time in real world, how ?

-He took a group of lucid dreamers, and asked them to count from 1 to 10 while awake. The average time the people took to count was 13 seconds (using a chronometer).
-He asked them to do the same in their LDs, making a pre determinated movement with the eyes before and after counting the time in the dreams, this way the people in the laboratory was able to count it in a chronometer in the same time as the LDreamer.
-The result was the same, the people took about 13 seconds to count from 1 to 10.

It proved that the perception of time is the same while awake and during Lucid Dreams.


It's possible to preventing you from awakening doing some techniques like spining your body (this one was discovered by LaBerge)
Some times it may take you to another dream or to a False Awakening, I could use this technique once, and it happened to me.
But it have a limit of course, when your REM period end, you are out of dreams for a while

Need I say more? And anyway, I never said it was. You're the one saying that it isn't. I'm saying there is no evidence to suggest it.

Originally Posted by Graves

Need I say more? And anyway, I never said it was. You're the one saying that it isn't. I'm saying there is no evidence to suggest it.

Originally Posted by Wolfwood

I knew someone would bring in that LaBerge result. He didn't prove that time dilation isn't possible. He showed that under typical circumstances, dream time correlates with real time at a 1:1 ratio. Analogically, if I saw you sat next to a piano on many occasions, but I never observed you playing it, it doesn't mean I've evidence that you can't play the piano. You may have merely not divulged your skill.

He did not give them any instruction to dilate/manipulate time, but to merely observe it. And so the normal passing of dream time correlated with the normal passing of real-world time.

Yes, say more.

Originally Posted by littlezoe

Yes, say more.

If you need a further explanation, your intellectual capabilities do not belong here. Has Wolfwood done his own experimentation and research? No? Then he is under no ground to state such things.

Originally Posted by Graves

If you need a further explanation, your intellectual capabilities do not belong here. Has Wolfwood done his own experimentation and research? No? Then he is under no ground to state such things.

Of course, i expected you to be so narrow minded to disregard everything other than your opinion. But maybe try to read Wolfwood's post 3-4 more times and you'll realize that it's a very valid point.

Originally Posted by littlezoe

Of course, i expected you to be so narrow minded to disregard everything other than your opinion. But maybe try to read Wolfwood's post 3-4 more times and you'll realize that it's a very valid point.

Originally Posted by Graves

I don't deny the existence of time dilation, but the keyword here is ''feel''. One may be able to manipulate their dream world so that 10 minutes feels like 10 hours, but in reality it's still only been 10 minutes.

It doesn't surprise me that you're female.

Originally Posted by Graves

It doesn't surprise me that you're female.

Just as i said at least twice before, you can't measure the time in a dream. Therefore what you feel becomes the dream time.


But yeah, i didn't expect more from an air humper kid.

Originally Posted by littlezoe

Just as i said at least twice before, you can't measure the time in a dream. Therefore what you feel becomes the dream time.

And like I stated in retort: If you can't measure time, your argument is invalid.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Facts alone:

1. LaBerges results are irrelevant to answering the question of whether time dilation can occur or not. This is clearly evident based on the methodology. If you believe otherwise, then state how his results imply either for/against.

2. We cannot argue that it is possible or it is not. objectively and conclusively speaking. No experiment have been conducted measuring time dilation during dreams. That is the fact. Thus, no one can say: 'it is possible' or 'it is not'. As it stands, subjective reports indicate it is possible - take that as you will.

Simple. No one is on any grounds to say it is possible or it is not (conclusively and objectively). That is clear.

Originally Posted by Wolfwood

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Facts alone:

1. LaBerges results are irrelevant to answering the question of whether time dilation can occur or not. This is clearly evident based on the methodology. If you believe otherwise, then state how his results imply either for/against.

2. We cannot argue that it is possible or it is not. objectively and conclusively speaking. No experiment have been conducted measuring time dilation during dreams. That is the fact. Thus, no one can say: 'it is possible' or 'it is not'.

Simple.

Originally Posted by Graves

I don't deny the existence of time dilation, but the keyword here is ''feel''. One may be able to manipulate their dream world so that 10 minutes feels like 10 hours, but in reality it's still only been 10 minutes.

Do you people not read?

Originally Posted by Graves

If you need a further explanation, your intellectual capabilities do not belong here. Has Wolfwood done his own experimentation and research? No? Then he is under no ground to state such things.

Then what exactly are you referring to here?

Originally Posted by Graves

I don't deny the existence of time dilation, but the keyword here is ''feel''. One may be able to manipulate their dream world so that 10 minutes feels like 10 hours, but in reality it's still only been 10 minutes.

lol... this is what we're all saying. Yet you are arguing against what you're arguing for. Is that not clear?

Dear Graves / littlezoe / Wolfwood

Your ALL wrong, time is a creation that stems from the inner conscious of your mind. So that means its not real, go meditate for a few days and tell me different. Time is malleable.

If you cant agree to disagree and flood a thread with some useless argument, that only draws readers off topic and solves nothing. You actually shouldn't really be giving any definite answer on a contradictory subject anyways.


OP

Depending on what YOU believe its either possible or not possible, I am pretty sure that the conclusion to their argument is relatively similar. "It's possible, it just depends on the Dreamer." Which is also my current belief. I will be back soon with results, going to meditate before sleep and see if it helps.

Originally Posted by Wolfwood

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Bahahhahaha



Wish I could give you Rep.

Here is a simple version of what I think; To experience time we must constantly live through it, for instance in a dream you believe you have lived in this dream world for two days, two things could have happened
1) you experienced the entire two days ( for the moment it doesnt matter haw fast it truly went)
2) you experienced the begining events of the first day and the ending events of the second making it seem as if you have dreamed for two days.
In situation two you have not dilated time, you have just filled in the blanks between.
So if situation one was possible to what extent could be manipulate time? Obviously the brain is the limit to our capabilities. This is the tricky part. Looking at the brain as a whole is overwhelming, but looking at each segment of the brain provides us with information showing that the brain is mediocre at truly multitasking. With this in mind I think that it shows that simulating an entire dream at lets say "a regular dream speed" is already quite intensive so having to speed up the simulaation of the dream would demand huge amount of processing. So in theory time dilaltion could be possible up to a reasonable extent. This is all just my opinion so none of this has ever been proven I believe.

I have successfully achieved minor dream distillation. During my dream (link below) there was a point were I my Dream Guide lost me and left me and 40 others in 1 room. I convinced myself I was there for years, me and the others whent insane... Now that I am awake its one of those dreams you don't want to remember because it really was scary... One of the most scary dreams I have ever had.
Feels like weeks ago I had this dream...


My Dream Entry

Originally Posted by Deatcry15x

I've been thinking about this, and I came up with the idea that your sense of time is a part of your dream. While in lucid you can control your dreams, therefore you can control your sense of time. Can someone please let me know if I'm right cuz this is only an idea i came up with.

Originally Posted by Deatcry15x

Can I ask another question, is it possible to control how long a dream lasts?

The time you experience in a dream is always the same amount in the waking world. The length of a REM is based on physiological factors that you have no control over.

However in retrospect it's possible to create the illusion that more time has passed by creating more scenes in your memory. You can observe how this works through the number of scenes in a television show, a novel, ect.

Originally Posted by NeoSioType

However in retrospect it's possible to create the illusion that more time has passed by creating more scenes in your memory. You can observe how this works through the number of scenes in a television show, a novel, ect.

I like this analogy. I've read a 5-6 hour book that covered around 1000 years, and I got a real, deep sense of that.

Heres the thing, you might have felt that you had lived there for 40 years but that doesnt mean you achieved time dilation. For you to truly stretch out your dream you must remember living through it. What you did is you created a memory of living there for forty years. Its not that the same effect hasn't been achieved and what you did is still awesome but it aint time dilation.

1. Biological clocks are still vulnerable to time dilation effects.
2. What our internal clocks record is not 'time' but rather the 'impression of time'. This is also why you can seem to live days or weeks, when you've slept for a few hours. The brain merely 'creates' the 'feeling of passage of time', i.e., if you dreamed you went to a concert and listened to a song, actually listening to it in the dream and fast forwarding through it would be two different things.

Listened to song: Heard every lyric, in real time.
Fast forwarded through it: Brain created recollections of you listening to it, possibly a few lines of the chorus or something.

Not to dust off this thread, but if you can create illusions to represent past time then you can pace this. Theoretically it's possible, scientifically it's impossible.

What a delicious thread.

I definitely experience the feeling of some minor time dilation in my deepest lucid dreams. I believe it can be done big time, it is one of my long long term goals for the time I start mastering this craft.

Id love to experiment on this and document it scientifically if anyone would like to participate Pm me and well throw up a thread with enlisted users.

get at me