Thread: Dream weapon of choice

In what situations do you fight proctree? What's the context?

The only confrontation I ever get in my lucid dreams, are dream characters furious that I trespassed when I didn't actually. I wonder if it is my fault. I'd like to know. I always fly away so I have never had a lucid fight.

My new favorite weapon is Half Gravity/Half Inertia with a splash of confusion, to unify the physics!

Oh yeah, deal with that , DC!

My DC's are mixed a lot some are aggressive some are real personalities and some are good and some are plain douches

Originally Posted by Occipitalred

In what situations do you fight proctree? What's the context?

The only confrontation I ever get in my lucid dreams, are dream characters furious that I trespassed when I didn't actually. I wonder if it is my fault. I'd like to know. I always fly away so I have never had a lucid fight.

The context is almost always different. Sometimes I just get randomly attacked, although if that happens I usually 'veto' the DC's decision to attack me by rewinding back time to just before he did and changing his decision. It sounds complicated and hard, but it's pretty easy to do once you get the hang of it. You just have to switch your attention from the present to the past, and boom, that DC has never attacked you.
But most of the time DCs attack me because of something I've said or done. As I said, I tend to be an ass in my dreams cause I'm basically God on Earth in them. I usually roll with it once they attack me, because I feel like excessive veto-ing damages the 'plot' of the dream. It feels a bit like cheating if I veto every bad thing that happens in a dream.

Honestly, having tons of lucid fights has actually helped me more than it has hurt me. I think it's one of the reasons why my dream control is so good right now. First time I did TK, I was fighting. First time I did elemental control, I was fighting. First time I flew, well, I only flew so I could slam into some random jerk who flipped me off. Almost all of my early dream control techniques come from me deciding to bash someone's head in. Heh, kind of like how we only got to the Moon because of the Cold War.

Hmmm,

That's interesting. The different experiences people have with their dreams. Me it's the opposite. Everything I have learnt was when no one was trying to catch me. But this conversation has motivated me to do something about it. I need to find a way to stop it. And my weapon will be my mind, my compassion, perhaps, as ThreeCat said. Or maybe my weapon should be forgiveness? DCs attack me because they want to punish me for a crime I haven't done (Trespassing), maybe I have to forgive myself for a crime I haven't committed? Well, I was dared to find a red panda so that's what I am doing in my next lucid dream, but after that, I am going to a blacksmith and asking him what mind "weapon" I need to give the eternal peace to my DCs... (Not death, just peace)

Originally Posted by Occipitalred

Hmmm,

That's interesting. The different experiences people have with their dreams. Me it's the opposite. Everything I have learnt was when no one was trying to catch me. But this conversation has motivated me to do something about it. I need to find a way to stop it. And my weapon will be my mind, my compassion, perhaps, as ThreeCat said. Or maybe my weapon should be forgiveness? DCs attack me because they want to punish me for a crime I haven't done (Trespassing), maybe I have to forgive myself for a crime I haven't committed? Well, I was dared to find a red panda so that's what I am doing in my next lucid dream, but after that, I am going to a blacksmith and asking him what mind weapon I need to give the eternal peace to my DCs... (Not death, just peace)

Oh god. Last time I tried to give someone eternal peace I burned their brains and eyes out. I was LD RPing a king in medieval England and some knight asked me for that as his reward for completing his quest or whatever. I put my hand on his head and in the middle of the peacefication I though 'hey this is a bit like how angels smite people in supernatural'(don't judge me).. and well, I guess you can infer what happened afterwards. I bullshitted all the other DCs that he went to heaven or something but I've never tried giving someone eternal peace since. Why can't DCs ask for me something easier, like infinite prostitutes or mountains of gold I dunno.

Your dream was historically accurate?

I liked that dream of yours, proctree. I liked imagining your awkwardness as you invent an explication to the court for his eyes melting! It reminds me of a lucid dream of my own when I came out of a building into a parking lot and saw two boys playing peacefully. I made a gesture with my hand to make one fly (it was all with good playful intentions). Instead of flying, a car fell from the sky and landed on him. That was awkward. I just moved on with the dream... But let's just say accidental murders are too easy in dreams.

Lots of the weapons from Gantz would be interesting to use in a dream. My favorite is probably the Y-gun because of how retardedly versatile it really seems to be. I can't think of many situations where it wouldn't solve the problem right away.
List of Gantz equipment - Gantz Wiki

Also, I don't feel pain in dreams, so any kind of fight is fairly one-sided. I have the ability to spontaneously move in bullet time too, it kinda just happens but at the right moments if that makes sense. Any of the Gantz weapons in combination with feeling no pain and being able to slow down time spontaneously is enough to fight a group of enemies (probably like 20 human sized ones at once).

I used a wall as a weapon yesterday. I felt as if a DC had been responsible for everything turning horror movie like and that he had caused the door to disappear (probably because he was laughing wickedly and mocking me). I decided to open a way out through the wall, using the DC as a battering ram. That is what he gets for laughing about it.

I did that by instinct and after just 3 quick slams of him into the wall, I became more reasonable and just teleported to a new scene.

I'm also one of those who have no desire to use weapons in my lucid dreams.

One time, someone in a lucid dream pulled a gun on me. I told them it couldn't hurt me, but I was so annoyed at them that I tied their limbs into knots with my bare hands.

If I were to choose a dream weapon, it would probably be a big hammer, or club. Something blunt.
Or a freeze gun, I guess. I have "frozen" people before in lucid dreams, but not with a gun.

For all my underwater dreams ( which i often have since my VILD/WILD induction is based on the feeling of diving)

I basically copied the ability of an electric ray to send out shockwaves, to cope with all the bizarre underwater-fauna my subconscious comes up with.

Weak shockwaves to attract attention and strong ones to get rid of it.

Originally Posted by Occipitalred

...And my weapon will be my mind, my compassion, perhaps, as ThreeCat said. Or maybe my weapon should be forgiveness? DCs attack me because they want to punish me for a crime I haven't done (Trespassing), maybe I have to forgive myself for a crime I haven't committed?

Mhm. That's what Robert Waggoner says in his Gateways to the inner self. Most, if not everything that's bad or scary in our dreams are reflections of our parts that we don't like about ourselves. Some faults that we have and we reject them and fight against them. It would make sense, if they presented in our dreams as monsters that we fight against, but never can win. At least till we make peace with that part we don't like, but despite of that, it is part of us. We should make peace and accept it to become a whole being. Then we can start on changing it, if it can be changed.

So Waggoner recommeds to project love and acceptance towards the scary thing in the dream, which in turn changes it into something non-threatening, or it even merges with the dreamer. It wouldn't hurt also to explore in waking life what we don't like about ourselves and work on accepting or changing it, if possible. For exapmle, we can't change color of eyes, but we can work on anger issues or being shy.

So best weapon could be love and compassion. I guess I have been practicing this with help of my subC. I love my subC. Such a compassionate badass.

Originally Posted by Kaitakaro

For all my underwater dreams ( which i often have since my VILD/WILD induction is based on the feeling of diving)...

oohhhhh, I love that. I love the sinking feeling when transitioning, and I love being under water. I have problems transitioning from the sinking to a LD.So from now on, I'll be sinking/diving into a tropical ocean : D

Thank you

That's interesting Gab!

I have been thinking about it (even created a thread ) and I feel like the situation is not that these people/animals are aspects of me I don't like. Instead, I think, the situation as a whole is a representation of my tendency for feeling guilt and self-doubt. So I don't have to forgive myself or give my attacker compassion. What I need to do is remember I am a good person, a great person and do my best. I'll ask how I can amend for the situation or let the animal smell me so they can become comfortable with me. If they are not receptive, than I will look away (it's quite effective in making obstacles disappear for me) and move on. I am feeling pretty optimistic with this.

What bothers me a little bit with Waggoner's method is that, if I am not mistaken, he is trying to solve the problem from inside the dream. I feel like the dream is making me aware of a waking life situation. If I act nice with my dream monsters because I know it's just a dream, I am not dealing with my waking life self-doubt problem. I am merely exercising lucid dream control. I think I need to use the dream to solve waking life problems and use a compatible technique in the dream. And only once I succeed in waking life will the recurring dream disappear. Well, that's what I hope .

You could be right, occipitalred.

The way I understood Waggoner is this:

Deal with monsters inside the dream by accepting them and showing them love.
Prevent monsters in dreams to ever appear by resolving your issues with not liking yourself during day, by accepting us as a whole. With our good and bad parts alike.

But ofc, whatever message you get from that, and whatever works for each individual could be different, I would go with that.

I would also say, that knowing that you are a good person equals accepting your faults and shorcomings. If you have any, that is. I'm not trying to say that you do. But sometimes people tend to feel bad even if they didn't do anything wrong or there is nothing wrong with them.

And your tendency to feel guilt could be exactly that part about yourself that you don't like.

I'm not gonna pretend that I understand the whole thing. But this works for me and for my subC, so yeeeey!

Sounds good!

(And you do seem to understand).

My weapon of choice is Love.

Compassion and understanding is great... when it works
(at least from my experience) the subC not allways has something meaningful to say and often just works on karmic garbage,
you could argue that this is just the moment to get rid of it but when your subC just sends in DCs who quite frankly pull the half-gravity gun at you...
It's time to quickly stop and change the dreamscene or (like sivason posted before) try to unify some DCs head with a wall.

Originally Posted by gab

...I love the sinking feeling when transitioning, and I love being under water. I have problems transitioning from the sinking to a LD.So from now on, I'll be sinking/diving into a tropical ocean : D

I find the feeling of floating and the stillness of being underwater perfect for the transition phase.
The movement of diving than is practically my anchor and the ability to breath in the water helps as a constant RC
but i guess i am getting off topic here

Originally Posted by Kaitakaro

Compassion and understanding is great... when it works
(at least from my experience) the subC not allways has something meaningful to say and often just works on karmic garbage,
you could argue that this is just the moment to get rid of it but when your subC just sends in DCs who quite frankly pull the half-gravity gun at you...
It's time to quickly stop and change the dreamscene or (like sivason posted before) try to unify some DCs head with a wall.

I think it is as you say, Kaitakaro, but when the dream is not a recurring event. Yes, your dream could just be a common dream about an evil DC, I mean, there is violence in most books and movies we read/watch so it would not be impressive. But in some case, the themes are recurring and I think it has to be addressed differently. (I think that's what you were saying)

Originally Posted by Kaitakaro

...when your subC just sends in DCs who quite frankly pull the half-gravity gun at you...
It's time to quickly stop and change the dreamscene or (like sivason posted before) try to unify some DCs head with a wall.

You have used all the right words!

The half-gravity sure made me pause and check the IP, haha :evilgrin:

I think that even if you are NOT working out some karmic lefovers or something real from this lifetime, you can use love and compassion to change any random scary dream. Because as we know, dreams do react to our feelings and thoughts and expectations. I choose love.

Originally Posted by Occipitalred

...
You have used all the right words!

Just before i posted this i read about the new branch of natural science that had been developed in the senseless banter area (the Frysics : frank + physics)
and i am sry for my redefinition of the word frankly , i hope it doesn't last .

Originally Posted by Kaitakaro

I know , i just read about the new branch of natural science that had been developed in the senseless banter area (the Frysics : frank + physics)

Haha Actually, it was developed in the science & mathematics area but who would have guessed. It's been in senseless banter for less than a week. But the hopes are that it will create no more uprisings so let's get back to tapioca... I meant, topic. Although, I would use tapioca as a weapon... In a food fight

Don't apologise. Fundamentally, you are right. You correctly unified some thoughts, no matter if it's visible or not visible to us at this moment.

Originally Posted by gab

Don't apologise. Fundamentally, you are right. You correctly unified some thoughts, no matter if it's visible or not visible to us at this moment.

As long it is not half-visible it's ok with me

Originally Posted by Occipitalred

Haha Actually, it was developed in the science & mathematics area but who would have guessed. It's been in senseless banter for less than a week. But the hopes are that it will create no more uprisings so let's get back to tapioca... I meant, topic. Although, I would use tapioca as a weapon... In a food fight

I see ,that thread made a lot of progress into the right direction( some fanfics were really good ) and when it all ends in a giant tapioca fight it would be an appropriate finale.

Originally Posted by gab

I think that even if you are NOT working out some karmic lefovers or something real from this lifetime, you can use love and compassion to change any random scary dream. Because as we know, dreams do react to our feelings and thoughts and expectations. I choose love.

Yes the underlying emotion really sets the tone for the dream, its one of the many reasons why i prefer Wild over Dild LD's.
Since in a Wild one can form the dream from the beginning.

Originally Posted by Occipitalred

I think it is as you say, Kaitakaro, but when the dream is not a recurring event. Yes, your dream could just be a common dream about an evil DC, I mean, there is violence in most books and movies we read/watch so it would not be impressive. But in some case, the themes are recurring and I think it has to be addressed differently. (I think that's what you were saying)

Exactly