Thread: Advanced Vision Control Tutorial

Originally Posted by PR0G4P4RV18

What do you have to say about the other senses? I read that you might continue this tutorial to include such.

I can reproduce 'information' that any of my senses sensed and recreate it so it acts on its own. I don't control it consciously. It just moves or sounds on its own. Songs, noises, people, smells, tastes, textures.

It would take me a while to write tutorials but yes I do plan on writing them. But would think the easiest way to learn would be to for now focus on the information and exercises that I have posted. Work on controlling your sight first because after you get good with your site it makes things a lot easier when it comes to learning how to manipulate all of the senses.

You see I have much much more to teach and instead of having a really long tutorial with everything for those who want to get into my techniques you need to learn certain things in a certain order to learn in the fastest way possible. I think I'm going to make a practice thread where people who really want to learn how to do this can join and be able to receive help along the way from me as needed.

If you are having trouble getting it do what you want keep this in mind. Telling yourself you know a group of particles are blue and in the shape of a circle won't work. You need to find out how to directly manipulate them. You have to manipulate them simply by doing it. It's like lifting your arm. You don't look at your arm and ask it to move.. you just move it without thinking too much into it. My technique should be done about the same way.

Telling yourself (even out loud) might actually help you start to see the image. In Image Streaming, you create a feedback loop by speaking out loud the things you want to see. Seeing it, saying it, and hearing it all at the same time help reinforce the realism of the scene, jump starting your visualization. Of course, Image Streaming is fundamentally different from what you are talking about (you are still using your mind's eye), but the same principals should apply.

I've actually had some experience with what you are talking about. Have you tried using a Ganzfeld device? Even a simple one made from ping pong balls would work.

Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

Telling yourself (even out loud) might actually help you start to see the image. In Image Streaming, you create a feedback loop by speaking out loud the things you want to see. Seeing it, saying it, and hearing it all at the same time help reinforce the realism of the scene, jump starting your visualization. Of course, Image Streaming is fundamentally different from what you are talking about (you are still using your mind's eye), but the same principals should apply.

I've actually had some experience with what you are talking about. Have you tried using a Ganzfeld device? Even a simple one made from ping pong balls would work.

This technique is not quite what you think it is. Telling yourself something is there can make it appear with visualization but with this form of control visualization isn't even needed and just telling yourself and trying to believe it's there will do you no good because this involves creating a real image by manipulating the system that allows you to see real objects. Its hard to explain this very well but its almost like training a muscle that you have not been accustomed to using. If I want to lift my arm no amount of visualization or trying to make yourself believe it is moving will move it for me. A signal has to be sent from the brain to actually move the muscles in my arm. This technique works the same way as sending the message to move my arm. You have to get your brain to create a real object. Real.. although it will only be real to you as nobody else will be able to see your creation.

Right now my eyes see everything in this room including this screen. Lets say I don't like my monitors color. It's just a normal black flatscreen monitor. Now after using my technique my monitor actually looks pink. I could leave my room come back and it would still be pink. If someone else comes in and I ask what color it is they will say black but i'm looking at a pink monitor right now.

To do that I manipulated my sight to see what I want to see. Someone just tapped me on the shoulder then hissed at me.. and now nobody is behind me. Nobody ever was behind me. I actually create all of these sensations and they look and feel REAL. I can summon a guy in my room and tell him to punch me in the face.. and it would really hurt if he did. This is not the dreaming world. This is what I have turned my own reality into. A mix of the two. After many years of playing around with this kind of stuff.

I agree vision is an important part of dream control. If you're interested, I wrote a short piece on it as well. http://dreamviews.com/community/show...&postcount=159
Could have sworn I wrote a second part to that, and advanced version, but I can't find it.

And you have to check out this vid about visual representation systems.



But what is this doing in beyond dreaming?

Originally Posted by The Cusp

I agree vision is an important part of dream control. If you're interested, I wrote a short piece on it as well. http://dreamviews.com/community/show...&postcount=159
Could have sworn I wrote a second part to that, and advanced version, but I can't find it.

And you have to check out this vid about visual representation systems.



But what is this doing in beyond dreaming?

Really this is far beyond just dream control. You practice while awake and it is meant to be used while being awake but can lead to new ways of easily controlling your dream. After I add in the other senses this will be a tutorial on how to manipulate all of your senses directly.

But yes this is going to be moved to the research area so it shouldn't be here long. I personally thought it fit here because this is mostly not about dreaming but the research place sounds better.

Originally Posted by Mylynes

Really this is far beyond just dream control. You practice while awake and it is meant to be used while being awake but can lead to new ways of easily controlling your dream.

You're preaching to the choir dude. I've been blabbering for over a year now about how dream control techniques apply to real life.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

You're preaching to the choir dude. I've been blabbering for over a year now about how dream control techniques apply to real life.

lol that was me pointing out why it would fit in beyond dreaming
Video looks interesting too. I'm kind of busy right now but i'll check it all out later.

Originally Posted by Mylynes

Really this is far beyond just dream control. You practice while awake and it is meant to be used while being awake but can lead to new ways of easily controlling your dream. After I add in the other senses this will be a tutorial on how to manipulate all of your senses directly.

I've got the idea that you are very well into the technical aspects of experiencing something. But I kind of get the idea that it is not really related to spiritual growth. In my opinion one should be focusing on becoming awake in reality by overcoming your limitations by overcoming fear, order to grow, so you can choose to create synergy. I do not see how your technique is anything related to spiritual growth, it seems to be a thrill ride to me only.

There is only one reality, there is no such thing as awake vs dream reality. An experience in physical life is worth as much as an experience from the dream world if you learn the same things from it. It is only about the usefulness of the experience. It is not about in which environment (dream or physical) you have experienced it. That doesn't matter at all. So that your method is meant to be used only in one aspect of reality makes it very less appealing, and not universal to apply. And therefore, logically, isn't usable for spiritual growth, and therefore is insignificant. Though you seem to 'sell' it as it is worth more than "just dream control".

What did this method teach you in aspects of growing spiritually, and consciously choosing to create synergy?

Fact is that none of what you described matters a bit, if there is no spiritual growth in it. How does your method relate to what all great spiritual masters teach? Dali lama and Thomas Campbell are both very different in describing reality, but both great minds describe the very same essence: grow by focusing on synergy.

I now your ego is hurt now. But be honest, and this applies to all readers of this topic that are (seemingly) seeking a thrill ride:
Would you be better of if
a) all your inner characters (your inner child, the father/mother, the neighbor, the spouse...) are hallucinating for their own fun?
b) Or when all your inner characters seeking to work together to be able to cope with a larger reality by growing up and adding value to the reality?

You are not different to reality than a character in your mind is to you. Both are merely perspectives of the same mind. You and I have the same mind.So you and I are together on this. So please, come back from your thrill ride and start seeking to what your real purpose is in this life.

Devoney,

Reading through the content on this forum, I also remember often that this is "just" playing with force/control. I also had the urge to comment along the lines of what you wrote.
But now, when I saw how nicely you articulated the "issue", I changed my view a bit.

I don't know what various people here need to grow up.
For a long time I was under the impression that focusing onto being "helpful" to others is the correct way, the correct intent. I am not saying to not try to be helpful, but trying implied in my case desire/need/expectation. I didn't see it until recently.
Now my intent is to see possibilities out of a balanced state of being and decreasing entropy by being the authentic me at the right time, in the right place.

So basically I just wanted to say that we all should do what we are drawn to do.
Learning control first and then noticing that the cart was in front of the horse is a good way to get power/focus before learning to use it constructively. Everyone has their own unique way and there is no rush. Rushing things implies fear/ego.

You cannot teach truth by talking about it. People need to experience the truth in their own time and in their own way.

Originally Posted by Mylynes

This technique is not quite what you think it is. Telling yourself something is there can make it appear with visualization but with this form of control visualization isn't even needed and just telling yourself and trying to believe it's there will do you no good because this involves creating a real image by manipulating the system that allows you to see real objects. Its hard to explain this very well but its almost like training a muscle that you have not been accustomed to using. If I want to lift my arm no amount of visualization or trying to make yourself believe it is moving will move it for me. A signal has to be sent from the brain to actually move the muscles in my arm. This technique works the same way as sending the message to move my arm. You have to get your brain to create a real object. Real.. although it will only be real to you as nobody else will be able to see your creation.

Right now my eyes see everything in this room including this screen. Lets say I don't like my monitors color. It's just a normal black flatscreen monitor. Now after using my technique my monitor actually looks pink. I could leave my room come back and it would still be pink. If someone else comes in and I ask what color it is they will say black but i'm looking at a pink monitor right now.

To do that I manipulated my sight to see what I want to see. Someone just tapped me on the shoulder then hissed at me.. and now nobody is behind me. Nobody ever was behind me. I actually create all of these sensations and they look and feel REAL. I can summon a guy in my room and tell him to punch me in the face.. and it would really hurt if he did. This is not the dreaming world. This is what I have turned my own reality into. A mix of the two. After many years of playing around with this kind of stuff.

That sounds like a visualization/ self induced hallucination, to me. You should look into other kinds of self induced hallucination, like the ones I mentioned. I think they might compliment your method well. At the least, they will give you a better first hand understanding of how your mind interacts with your senses.

Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

That sounds like a visualization/ self induced hallucination, to me. You should look into other kinds of self induced hallucination, like the ones I mentioned. I think they might compliment your method well. At the least, they will give you a better first hand understanding of how your mind interacts with your senses.

Okay I will look into it. I think self induced hallucination would be a very good way to describe what this technique is.

This sounds really interesting I'm going to give it a try.
So Mylynes, how much control would you say you have in real life? Can you really make your monitor turn pink? What if you start moving around does it change colors? What about other black objects next to the monitor? I'm curious about the level of preciseness this can create

Originally Posted by Syruplord

This sounds really interesting I'm going to give it a try.
So Mylynes, how much control would you say you have in real life? Can you really make your monitor turn pink? What if you start moving around does it change colors? What about other black objects next to the monitor? I'm curious about the level of preciseness this can create

I can do this just as easily awake as I can while dreaming even in a well lit room. By creating the images I want to see I can basically paste them over what I would normally be seeing. I can pick out bits and pieces to modify or I can pretty much cut myself off from the world around me by overriding all of my senses. Doing this I could go to a place of my own creation that would be similar to having a very vivid lucid dream.