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      Longest Lucid Dream Possible?

      I've been reading a bunch of articles on LDs on the internet and I find that some articles say that Robert Monroe had a LD that lasted 100 years! I think he's just making that up for fame etc. etc. I find that most of the people on the forum have dreams that last from 10 to 30 minutes (and I'm assuming that's dream perception time and not real life time during the rest). Steve Pavlina of the Personal Development Blog/forums claimed to have an LD that lasted 2 weeks! Judging from experience do you think this is possible? Personally mine usually last a few seconds, and only on one occasion from about 15 minutes...
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      I've had LDs that lasted 1 hour+, real time. They felt like they lasted much longer dream time. I've definately never felt like my dreams lasted weeks or months, lol. Many have felt like they lasted several hours with the longest few feeling like they lasted in the area of 6 or 7 hours...maybe. Its pretty hard to accurately estimate.

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      I have had one dream that it took 3 years & I had another where the dream was time elapsed through days. I am not saying I was asleep like sleeping beauty in that the dream lasted that long in consensus reality but when I woke up I was sad first of all. The memory of dream that lasted three years was like experiencing a movie in fast forward like in the movie by Adam Sandler called Click but w/o no pauses. It was very emotional. I experienced all the emotional pain resulting from my choices. The latter was like stop motion animation that had to have spanned only a year or so. I was more objective and mental. Not very emotional although the content of the dream was very emotional. It was like watching a dry TV sitcom.

      Time is relative. If it wasn't it would be the same time everywhere but its not. Be easy about this. Time is a man made tool to help us organize events mentally & give them meaning.
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      Maybe it felt like it was that amount of time. Personally I don't think they can last that long.

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      Nice Avatar! Bowser is awesome! =0) Right, in consensus reality I am not saying in they took that long. However, at least in the first dream I experienced felt EXXXTREMELY long. I was worn out when I woke up. In consensus reality I have no idea how long those dreams lasted.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Hijo de la Luna View Post
      Nice Avatar! Bowser is awesome! =0) Right, in consensus reality I am not saying in they took that long. However, at least in the first dream I experienced felt EXXXTREMELY long. I was worn out when I woke up. In consensus reality I have no idea how long those dreams lasted.
      A friend of mine suggested it :p But yeah...that statement was basically for the OP. I've had Lucids that seemed to last for long amounts of time...sometimes I'll try to wake up early just so I remember them. Normally they're DILDs, so I have no clue on how long they lasted. If it's a WILD, then I have a better estimate. Most of mine go on for about 30 minutes max.

      I also had a non lucid where I saw people aging and dying before my very eyes. Everything was moving around me so fast...but I wasn't.

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      Yeah, for me its very difficult to estimate how long I've been in a dream. Unless its a WILD, but most of the time I don't pay too much attention to the time anyway .

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      Well, since dreaming takes place during REM sleep, and the longest time we REM sleep is 60 - 90 min. I think thats how long our longest dream are. Dream can certainly feel a lot longer, though.

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      Quote Originally Posted by danny04274 View Post
      Well, since dreaming takes place during REM sleep, and the longest time we REM sleep is 60 - 90 min. I think thats how long our longest dream are. Dream can certainly feel a lot longer, though.
      You do not need to be in REM to dream.

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      Interesting sometimes I have dreams which are "short" or atlest it feels like 5min dream but in rl it take 40min and as mentioned above I have dreams which are "long" as well its very hard to say how much time you actually spend in dream,but I think that my top is ~20min. 100years dream? impossible
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      I've read it somewhere too, that Robert Monroe reported that he experienced 100 years OOBE lucid dream. Who knows if it is true or not? Maybe it felt like...100 years, but only occurred hours in real life.

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      Sounds like some people are confused about the sense that 'longest' is meant in the original post question. It is near impossible to ascertain how long during your sleep you were actually dreaming. You may dream for 6 seconds in a span of 2 hours, but your dream could feel like it lasted the whole sleep period. Since time doesn't flow as the same speed as it does during waking life, it's hard to correlate exact time by how long a dream "felt". Similarly, a dream that contains multiple days of activity can pass in what feels like hours or even minutes.

      The question then is, How long can a dream last in waking time? ( If one could definitively identify the moment a sleeping individual began and ended a dream then they could use a stopwatch to record the duration, and that would be the waking time duration of the dream, regardless of how many eons seemed to pass in the dream world)

      Or you are asking how long can one remain lucid in dream world time. I believe most would agree that the answer to that question is simply a matter of perception.

      I'm sure to someone who is only capable of attaining lucidity in very short, sporadic bursts would hear that someone was lucid for a century and cry foul, just as someone running a mile in nine minutes would have to see proof of someone running it in four. Unfortunately you just have to take a dreamer at his or her word.

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      Also,(and this is just my opinion) there are a great many things about this ability that even those proficient at Ld'ing may cough *bushit* into their hands upon hearing, but to them I say:

      There really is nothing to gain from lying about how good you are at dreaming, while disbelief will only keep your ability from blossoming to its' fullest potential. Therefore believe every impossible thing you read, because wouldn't it be great if it were true that (at least in dreams) NOTHING is impossible?

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      ^ Nice post right there moneyking!

      I agree about the last part, just believe on every impossible things you see or read about dreams, especially if they are good and awesome things. Just like Robert Monroe's unbelievable experience. I think it would be awesome to feel being in a dream for 100 years. Almost...NOTHING is impossible in dreams.

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      I've only had one lucid dream, which was a DILD. I had control until I woke up, but I did lose the remnants of the memory of the dream towards the end, but while I was aware of everything I would estimate it was around 10-15 minutes. I used to that you need REM sleep to be lucid/dream, but I guess I am incorrect. I have seen people have 1+ hour LD's, so I don't doubt that you can't have long ones. Sometimes I have dreams that feel like they took the entire night. However, I don't mind because they are usually pretty action packed.

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      Talking Hmm...

      Hey,
      To be honest,it's hard to calculate time during Lucid Dreaming...
      For some it might feel like hours,while it's only a few minutes...
      But in my opinion, I think I dream can maximum last one hour...
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      Quote Originally Posted by Aquanina View Post
      You do not need to be in REM to dream.
      This information is the best that I've ever heard :O
      Really motivated me Thanks!

      But when do you dream then?
      Is dreams just vivd thoughts ?

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      LaBerge did experiments and found that time within a lucid dream was comparable to real time. So I don't think it's a correct assumption to say that a dream just "feels" longer for every case. If I say I had a lucid dream for 2 hours...it is because I looked at the clock during a brief awakening and then immediately entered a lucid dream upon going back to sleep. When I wake from the lucid dream I check the clock and often times a few hours have passed. Honestly I'm getting a bit sick of hearing people argue that a lucid dream can only last a specific amount of minutes max due to REM period and that anyone who claims otherwise is lying (not in this thread but in similar threads). You do not always need to be in REM to dream, so that argument doesn't really hold up. Plus Laberge has documented cases of LDs lasting longer than max REM period in the lab.

      Now, being asleep for 4 hours and saying you had a lucid dream for 4 hours is entirely possible...you see...this does not violate the laws of space/time. Being asleep for a few hours and saying you were lucid for a hundred years...this is obviously not plausible and must be the result of altered perception of dream time. I once wanted to experience something like this and while I was lucid I decided that I would stay there for as long as I could and extend the dream time. It felt like I was there for a period of a few weeks, until I was approached by a DC and instructed to wake up for my own good. I would never go around claiming to have had a lucid dream that actually lasted weeks though. I was only asleep for a few hours...so unless lucid dreamers travel back in time upon waking up...no one is having hundred year long dreams.

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      I really doubt you can have a lucid dream that lasts 100 years, dreamtime-wise. You end up losing awareness at some point.
      The longest I've had is only a few minutes long.

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      Laberge did much research on lucidity. Unfortunately I cannot find the study on dream/real time synchronicity. Dream CAN be synchronus or semi synchronus in time span with waking life. This does not make it a universal fact. I don't know about one hundred years, but I do know I slept for one full minute exactly some years ago and had a lucid dream that felt like I was travelling the universe for a very, very long time. I may not have seen multiple sunrises, but the concept in the LD was that I was travelling for eons. In a dream conceptualizition is crucial.

      Remember, what is possible in dreams is subject to the observer. So statements like "let's get this straight...this IS this and that IS that!" Or "I'm sick of people saying things I don't agree with!" are attempts to objectify something that is wholly based on the observer.

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      You seem to have missed my point, and I lack the motivation to attempt to clarify.

      LaBerge's experiment is easy to find with a short google search.

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      Quote Originally Posted by monkeyking View Post
      Laberge did much research on lucidity. Unfortunately I cannot find the study on dream/real time synchronicity. Dream CAN be synchronus or semi synchronus in time span with waking life. This does not make it a universal fact. I don't know about one hundred years, but I do know I slept for one full minute exactly some years ago and had a lucid dream that felt like I was travelling the universe for a very, very long time. I may not have seen multiple sunrises, but the concept in the LD was that I was travelling for eons. In a dream conceptualizition is crucial.

      Remember, what is possible in dreams is subject to the observer. So statements like "let's get this straight...this IS this and that IS that!" Or "I'm sick of people saying things I don't agree with!" are attempts to objectify something that is wholly based on the observer.
      It's in his book ETWOLD. He gets his volunteers to signal from the dream world, count 10 seconds and signal again. He found that they match up pretty closely and reasoned that dream time= real time or pretty close to it. One thing that most people miss about this is perception of time. LaBerge gave a good example of this. If you watch a theatre play where they put off the light at midnight and turn them off at 7. In actual time, it was only 5-10 seconds or so but it's taken as 7hr have passed. It's called time dilation if I'm not mistaken. What this means is that you could have a dream that seems to last centuries while it only lasted 30min or so which I think was the case with Robert Monroe's dream. As Aquanina mentioned, you can also dream in Non-REM
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      Maybe I did take you out of context. Didn't mean to upset you, just chiming in. It seems you may have taken something I said a bit personally. While directed at something you may have said, it wasn't meant as an attack on you. Besides, I think we mostly agree on this subject so...

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      Quote Originally Posted by BigFan View Post
      It's in his book ETWOLD. He gets his volunteers to signal from the dream world, count 10 seconds and signal again. He found that they match up pretty closely and reasoned that dream time= real time or pretty close to it. One thing that most people miss about this is perception of time. LaBerge gave a good example of this. If you watch a theatre play where they put off the light at midnight and turn them off at 7. In actual time, it was only 5-10 seconds or so but it's taken as 7hr have passed. It's called time dilation if I'm not mistaken. What this means is that you could have a dream that seems to last centuries while it only lasted 30min or so which I think was the case with Robert Monroe's dream. As Aquanina mentioned, you can also dream in Non-REM
      Yep that's the experiment I was referencing. I'm glad you mentioned time dilation...because that is something I (and anyone who has done certain psychedelic substances) am very familiar with. But that's a whooole other can of worms so I won't get into that here.

      Quote Originally Posted by monkeyking View Post
      Maybe I did take you out of context. Didn't mean to upset you, just chiming in. It seems you may have taken something I said a bit personally. While directed at something you may have said, it wasn't meant as an attack on you. Besides, I think we mostly agree on this subject so...
      No worries Didn't mean it to seem like I took anything you said personally. Yah we are pretty much in agreement anyways.

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      Dream time is subjective. If someone wants to, they can speed up dream time (or slow real time) to make it seem like months or years. Most of my dreams last a few hours in dream-time. Sometimes days. One of my lucids felt like it had been about a week .

      Real time can also be slightly subjective, too. However, it is very annoying that a video game that is played for an hour feels like a few minutes, and a English lesson for an hour feels like a few days. As Jls puts it (in Everybody In Love), ‘Every minute lasts an hour/Every hour lasts a day/Every day lasts forever…’.
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