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      Keeping a dream journal when you don't actually recall your dreams

      I've only started with my dream journal recently, less than a week ago, and I still have terrible recall. I don't think I've recalled a single dream yet, although once or twice I was aware that "something happened" when I was sleeping -- I just have no idea what. It gets a little bit dispiriting just to write "Nothing to report."

      So, I've been listening to an audio book, Waggoner's Lucid Dreaming, before going to sleep, then writing a few paragraphs about what he discussed, even though it's way ahead of me for now. Stuff like not controlling the dream, but learning to manipulate oneself within the dream, the sailor doesn't control the sea, and so on. After that, sometimes I write about what I'd like to do in a lucid dream, where I'd like to go.

      I saw a suggestion by Hilary -- she said if you don't recall a dream, make one up. Write down a dream you could have had. Well, I would really like to meet an old counselor of mine, who died a few years ago. So I imagined meeting her in her office, which was the only place I ever met her. I asked her if she was dead. She gave me a long stare and said "Do I LOOK like I'm dead?" And I had to tell her that no, she looked extremely alive.

      I never had that dream. I made it up.

      I realize it's early days, but I am having those thoughts ... that I'm just a lousy dreamer.

      I consulted with the I Ching oracle book, and it gave me The Preponderance of the Great, the ridgepole that sags to the breaking point. It usually refers to a difficult task that you can't put off, a situation that you've let go of, and that now you need to face. The first line was moving:

      To spread white rushes underneath. No blame.

      That usually refers to the need to prepare carefully, laying down the mat carefully so that you are ready to undertake the task. That kind of makes sense in this context.

      Anyone got any other ideas?

      Thanks!

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      I'm glad you tried my suggestion. I've never used that for recall (just for increasing lucidity), but that's a great use for it.

      I would suggest writing down your feeling state upon waking - if there is any remnant of it. Whether it's a fleeting unexplainable sadness, or even just a neutral feeling. I would also write down any fragments, even if it's just a sense of a color.

      Keep trying, and keep a very consistent sleep schedule. Don't give up!
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      Quote Originally Posted by Hilary View Post
      I'm glad you tried my suggestion. I've never used that for recall (just for increasing lucidity), but that's a great use for it.

      I would suggest writing down your feeling state upon waking - if there is any remnant of it. Whether it's a fleeting unexplainable sadness, or even just a neutral feeling. I would also write down any fragments, even if it's just a sense of a color.

      Keep trying, and keep a very consistent sleep schedule. Don't give up!
      Thanks, Hilary! Yes, I keep on reminding myself that I started from the same place before, and within a month or two, I had quite good recall. Unfortunately, I stopped paying attention, and now I have to start from scratch again. But at least I do know that it's possible for me.

      Yes, that thing about mood and feelings when you wake up is very interesting. When my recall was better, sometimes I found myself waking up with the residues of a "bad" dream still on me. But I found if I could remember the dream, the "bad" feelings weren't so bad, because I could see where they were coming from and deal with them. With no recall of the dream, and just the feelings, it's a lot harder.

      You said "keep a consistent sleep schedule." Well, that's a bit of problem. My sleep patterns have improved a lot of the years, but from a very low base. I used to have shocking insomnia. These days I have a much more healthy lifestyle, yoga, no alcohol, lots of exercise. It helps, but I'm still just generally not a good sleeper. I've improved from appalling, absolutely debilitating insomnia to just slightly disturbed, irregular sleep.

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      The more data collected the better, beyond a record of just your dreams, additionally recorded data, you can (and should) also record your: sleep times, sleep quality, distractions, level of health, techniques used, sleep environment, hormonal cycles, diet, sleeping arrangements (partner/alone, etc.), and any other relevant factors. You said, " much more healthy lifestyle, yoga, no alcohol, lots of exercise." Put that in there too.

      Also, Before sleep, You can use your journal to note any dream goals or intentions for the coming night.
      Regularly assess your dream journal for recurring patterns, clues to any lucidity triggers (either from within the dream or external factors), and to become familiar with the nature of your dreams. These assessments are a time to categorize and update your list of dream signs, improve your familiarity with the dream world, search for recurring patterns in your sleep, assess the effectiveness of different techniques, or be creatively inspired by your dreams.



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      Quote Originally Posted by WanderAbout View Post
      You said "keep a consistent sleep schedule." Well, that's a bit of problem. My sleep patterns have improved a lot of the years, but from a very low base. I used to have shocking insomnia. These days I have a much more healthy lifestyle, yoga, no alcohol, lots of exercise. It helps, but I'm still just generally not a good sleeper. I've improved from appalling, absolutely debilitating insomnia to just slightly disturbed, irregular sleep.
      Here's a podcast video that Fryingman shared a week or so ago. I found it very insightful. You might want to check it out. It's all about how to leverage light, temperature, exercise, caffeine, supplements, and food to improve your sleep cycle.

      #1 take away: run outside first thing when you wake up and soak in 5 minutes of early morning sunshine. Don't stare at the sun, though.

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      Woo-hoo! Okay, I'm beginning to be able to recall visual images and story snippets! Last night, there was something about a party in a lunatic asylum, where I was the guest of honor. I remember going down the stairs to where the party was going to be and hamming it up, acting crazy to amuse and entertain everyone there. There was a lot of irony to it, it was like we'd all been judged to be crazy, but as a group we knew that WE were sane, and it was everyone else who wasn't. And it was all somewhere near Papua, an island I've visited a few times and about which I'm reading at the moment.

      I used the VA recorder. It's a great help. The trouble with writing is ... laziness. Sleepiness. I just don't FEEL like waking up and writing it down. I somehow convince myself that no, I'll remember without doing that, so lets just drift off back to sleep. And then it's gone. The barrier is much lower if all I have to do is grab the phone and talk into it.

      I should add that this "recall breakthrough" has happened just when I've had a shocking cold, blocked, fever, low energy, brain like a bowl of pea soup.

      Hilary, regarding light ... yeah, a few times a week, I wake up before sunrise and walk a few miles to a pretty park near my place to journal and do some study activities as the sun comes up. I live in the tropics, the first hour after sunrise is when the light is soft and gentle. A big Asian city: it's also the time when the streets are still peaceful. On days when I can't do that, at least I sit outside on my balcony for an hour or so, doing some study before yoga. No-one is going to take away my first cup of extremely strong Indonesian coffee in the morning, that's non-negotiable. But it's usually the only coffee I have all day.
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