Thread: Conspiracy theories.

It is not an accident that anyone who disagrees with the governments official story of events is discredited as a conspiracy theorist.
Anyway...
Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and if you dont trust wiki heres the document
Northwoods Document page i

What a terrible dastardly plan that was never put into action. I guess somebody in the government had a conscience!

9 August, Nagasaki... gratz US... I guess there was no other way. Well done. And don't let Iran get the nuke... we should be the only one to have it, because, our nation is the greatest and our religion is truth.

<3 USA

I thought this was about conspiracy theories.

That's irritating.

The U.S. capitalizes off of fear and mis/disinformation.

The way i see it, these things are way beyond any of our control, so no point in worrying about it.

Let everyone else run around in fear like a chicken with it's head cut off, and keep on living.

Okay fuck heads, new conspiracy theory.

Why is it that the military didn't block WikiLeaks from government computers, but is telling military personnel that if they access or download any classified documents from WikiLeaks, then it will open up Pandora's box in the legal sense?

All it would take is one military personnel to download a confidential document from WikiLeaks, then mass e-mail personnel. The result is multi-million dollars in damages for having to scrub each computer. This is beyond retarded and our simplistic reality.

Let us conspire to save the world.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

Let us conspire to save the world.

If only so many were noble and collaborative.

I'm game. Anyone else? I would list step by step, but that is personal information for five plus years from now that I've strategically calculated. It would be laughable if it weren't true.

Most definitely, I will point in the correct direction.

Came across a great video...



man made global warming topic go!

Originally Posted by Caprisun

That's irritating.

And yet there wasn't a single thing he actually stated in that clip, which wasn't true. So why is it so irritating?

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

And yet there wasn't a single thing he actually stated in that clip, which wasn't true. So why is it so irritating?

He didn't say anything. He just regurgitated the same vague, unintelligble, sensationalist garbage that you hear from all of his "truther" brethren. "Things don't add up!" "Do the research." "Even the 'experts' say it doesn't add up." He talks about how he got blasted for his opinions becaues he is a celebrity and not qualified to make such judgements. Well, they're exactly right! He is making subjective, uniformed, emotional judgments about blurry security videos and the physics of a buidling collapse where there are too many unknown factors for even experts to make a surefire conclusion (and that informations would also be unavailable to the government.) So he needs to shut his mouth rather than exploiting his celebrity status to more effectively spread his mind viruses to the good people of America. That's why it's irritating.

No one wants to comment on the information I presented about Wikileaks? Too complex? The information I cherry pick and present to people is the information that stumps me, which I have a grand imagination. Entertain me.

There has to be at least one person reading that thinks complexly and brainstorms.

why do you guys fall into the trap of talking about nine eleven?? or jfk?? we will never know about those things. there is nothing that can be done. talk about the federal reserve....talk about goldman sachs....talk about the insurance companies, owned by the banks, writing obamacare. talk about the big oil companies, owned by the banks, writing cap and trade. dont get side tracked guys. continue fighting the infowar

Originally Posted by Caprisun

He didn't say anything. He just regurgitated the same vague, unintelligble, sensationalist garbage that you hear from all of his "truther" brethren. "Things don't add up!" "Do the research." "Even the 'experts' say it doesn't add up." He talks about how he got blasted for his opinions becaues he is a celebrity and not qualified to make such judgements. Well, they're exactly right! He is making subjective, uniformed, emotional judgments about blurry security videos and the physics of a buidling collapse where there are too many unknown factors for even experts to make a surefire conclusion (and that informations would also be unavailable to the government.) So he needs to shut his mouth rather than exploiting his celebrity status to more effectively spread his mind viruses to the good people of America. That's why it's irritating.

Dude, If he would start to tell you something else, like facts, people like you would be even more irritated.

He talked about it very well.. Just hinted that there could be another explanation for this.. nothing else..

There's no good way to talk about it.

Originally Posted by poopman

why do you guys fall into the trap of talking about nine eleven?? or jfk?? we will never know about those things. there is nothing that can be done. talk about the federal reserve....talk about goldman sachs....talk about the insurance companies, owned by the banks, writing obamacare. talk about the big oil companies, owned by the banks, writing cap and trade. dont get side tracked guys. continue fighting the infowar

Right on. Let us face the real issues of today!!! These are what concerns us today. The real thing going on today is control over energy. Energy is the real economy. And right now our energy is based off of oil. Damn that sucks! It doesn't have to be based off of oil but the oil companies are keeping it based off of oil. The oil companies stopped the passenger train system in my town and many other towns also, just so people have to drive. There are other forms of energy, they are cleaner, they are cheaper, but they are not as profitable. So... we have WW3 over the last of the oil and globalization. Who gets to control the global economy? The economy!

There is enough food, water, shelter, and healthcare for every single living person but we cannot live in an ideal world even though we have the means to, because of people's greed. So we have to live hand to mouth in economic slavery while most of the world has it even worse than us.

If we want to help ourselves and our friends and family and community to not be victims of conspiracies we need to not rely so much on oil and electricity. I bought a diesel truck that I am converting to run off of vegetable oil. It is cheap and easy to convert. Then I will be able to recycle from vegetable oil from fast food "restaurants" for free. I can travel for free and help the environment at the same time and not be dependent on oil. I built solar panels from scratch to generate some electricity, not as much as I am used to surviving off of, but it helps me to be more conscious. I have educated myself on where our electricity comes from and how much energy we really use. I grow most of my own food (All our food in the supermarkets is shipped and trucked from long distances and is dependent on petroleum). Fossil fuels are primitive and outdated. There is cheaper, even free, energy everywhere.

I practically live for free now. I could live for free if I didn't go out to eat or drink or do fun things with my friends, if we rather got together and entertained ourselves more.

Check out greenpowerscience.com and their Youtube videos. There is a good video of a woman powering a LED light-bulb by a pedal-bike and then switching to an incandescent light-bulb. When she switches she can barely pedal even though she is the light is the same amount. It takes that much more energy to power a normal bulb.

Most of the conspiracy is to make us dependent on them.
If we want to be free of conspiracy theories we need to conspire to not feed them!

Spoiler for Off topic but relevant to quoted text:

"People tell me "Bill, stop talking about the Kennedys, stop talking about John Kennedy, it happened a long time ago, let it go. Let if go. It is over." And I say to them "OK, then stop talking to me about Jesus!" -Bill Hicks

Damn it, and no one still has yet to comment about the handling of WikiLeaks. No military can explain to me the logic?

Originally Posted by Caprisun

So he needs to shut his mouth rather than exploiting his celebrity status to more effectively spread his mind viruses to the good people of America. That's why it's irritating.

So basically, what you're saying is; if you have seen enough evidence to think that something doesn't add up (even though you don't have concrete proof to prove the claim beyond a reasonable doubt), then you should shut your mouth? No offense, but I think that kind of nationalist censorship is more dangerous to the "good people of America" (and free-thinkers across the globe) than simply presenting your own opinion that "something just doesn't add up" and encouraging people to look at the facts more closely to decide for themselves.

I also think the practice of allowing the government to shepherd you through life - without questioning the motives and ethics of those in power - is quite possibly the most damaging "mind virus" to ever be implanted on the people of this nation. People have the right to question any and all actions of their government (and/or its military, for that matter). This kind of "hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil (if it has to do with government)" ideology has more to do with manipulation than patriotism. Even if 9/11 was neither an inside job, nor allowed to happen, to discourage people from looking over the incident - and surrounding factors - themselves is basically akin to saying: "Thinking for yourself hurts your country. Sit down, shut up, and let your government think for you." It is a stance of Nationalism over the quest for truth, and just not something I will ever endorse.

Just my two cents, but I could see how his position would irritate someone with your perspective.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

So basically, what you're saying is; if you have seen enough evidence to think that something doesn't add up (even though you don't have concrete proof to prove the claim beyond a reasonable doubt), then you should shut your mouth? No offense, but I think that kind of nationalist censorship is more dangerous to the "good people of America" (and free-thinkers across the globe) than simply presenting your own opinion that "something just doesn't add up" and encouraging people to look at the facts more closely to decide for themselves.

I also think the practice of allowing the government to shepherd you through life - without questioning the motives and ethics of those in power - is quite possibly the most damaging "mind virus" to ever be implanted on the people of this nation. People have the right to question any and all actions of their government (and/or its military, for that matter). This kind of "hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil (if it has to do with government)" ideology has more to do with manipulation than patriotism. Even if 9/11 was neither an inside job, nor allowed to happen, to discourage people from looking over the incident - and surrounding factors - themselves is basically akin to saying: "Thinking for yourself hurts your country. Sit down, shut up, and let your government think for you." It is a stance of Nationalism over the quest for truth, and just not something I will ever endorse.

Just my two cents, but I could see how his position would irritate someone with your perspective.

I don't think you understand "my perspective," as if there are only two distinct perspectives here. Why are you assuming that because I oppose a ridiculous conspiracy theory that I am overly nationalistic? That because I'm not naive enough to to be sucked into such an emotionally charged premise, that I am automatically a champion of the government, censoring all free thinking challengers and enabling the corrupt politicians to do their worst to the defenseless people of America. That's what I live for! Do you think that as a "free thinking American," I should have to lend credence to every nutjob who creates a fantastic conspiracy to fill that gaping void in his life? Should I aquiesce with his overpowering need to feel important and tolerate his polluting the minds of the impressionable young children who watch public television? Or as a "free thinking American," should I have the capacity to recognize a senseless, unjustified, and utterly baseless act of slander against the government and feel compelled to speak out against such acts? As a free thinking American with a truly objective philosophy on such matters, that would be the conscionable think to do.

I never said that 9/11 conspiracy theorists should be censored, but you can be damn sure that when they go on talk shows and spout their bullshit, I will forward all due criticism in their direction. Do you not realize the implications of their claims? Is it not fair to hold them to the highest standards of scientific analysis? If they were really free thinking, they would be open to all perspectives, they would be open and accepting of the fact that they could be wrong. They wouldn't go to fanatical ends to justify their own perspective while ignoring all evidence to the contrary, no matter how damning. That is undeniably the case with 99% of the "truther" population. Undeniably. That includes the movement's leaders and there is video proof of that. Any person with a semi-objective conscience can see that none of their claims stand up in the face of scientific scrutiny, not one. And they have been publicly subjected to intense and thorough scientific scrutiny on at least one occasion that I have witnessed from a credible source (and there are more that I have not looked at.) Unsurprisingly they failed miserably, many times and in all cases. A movement like that doesn't deserve the light of day. They aren't innocently "asking you to investigate for yourself." They are putting on the guise of an honest, truth seeking movement while covertly infecting you with a disease that they aren't even aware they possess themselves. The main reason these things gain momentum is because when they encourage young people to "investigate," they will be inevitably led to the multitude of factually deficient, factually dishonest, and intentionally misleading websites that exist on the internet. Not that Charlie Sheen is aware of this, infectious memes go about spreading themselves without the conscious awareness of their host, just like a real virus. They would otherwise die out quickly.

The most irritating aspect was that he did it on the Jimmy Kimmel show. It would be much less irritating if he did it in a private forum, or on the internet, or even on the street. Just not on public television where ususpecting viewers are unwillingly subjected to such travesties of scientific integrity.

*Marks end of rant*

Originally Posted by Noogah

I am generally very skeptical on most government conspiracy theories.

Why?

Because the government is made up of humans, not monsters.

Conspiracies have happened in the past, and they almost always involve a very tight group of people, and the secret leaks. If there was a huge conspiracy, like, 9/11, it would get out.

So basically you're saying it's impossible for the government to get away with things?... You're severely underestimating the U.S. Government, or any countries government for that matter. Our government does things with out us knowing.. all the time. They can and will assassinate people if they have to keep things quiet. They've done it before.. multiple times, and they will do it again if they have to.

I'm not saying they were behind the 9/11 Attack, but it sure looks like it. There were plenty of mysterious "oddities" linked to the airplanes and why the towers fell. There were bombs strapped to the underside of the plane (they filmed bright explosives going off seconds before the plane hit), and the main columns that hold up the towers were cut. An airplane can't cut steel diagonally at the base of the towers. In fact, after the first tower fell and the smoke cleared, there was still molten steel flowing off the steel columns; which means they were blatantly cut before the planes hit. Again, I'm not saying the government did it, I'm just simply providing the facts that are staring everyone in the face. There are a bunch of legitimate videos on YouTube if you don't believe me. Check em out if you want. It honestly doesn't matter though, we can't do a single thing about it even if they confessed to doing it.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

And right now our energy is based off of oil. Damn that sucks! It doesn't have to be based off of oil but the oil companies are keeping it based off of oil. The oil companies stopped the passenger train system in my town and many other towns also, just so people have to drive.

You have got to be kidding me... That's just simply wrong.. *sigh* When will the aliens arrive to stop these filthy companies? That right there is probably the most greedy thing I've heard all year.. They pollute the ocean, they literally force people to buy their oil and gas, so what next? Are they going to arrest us for not driving and essentially not buying their stupid shit? It's just so pathetic, it's unbelievable.

Originally Posted by Motumz

There are a bunch of legitimate videos on YouTube if you don't believe me.

Says who? Sounds to me like you've been taken for a ride...